Nadal is too one dimensional to beat Djokovich, yes, even on clay!

[TheTruth]

Those words just couldn´t be more perfect. In fact it should be put above the forum before you enter to post. Especially to the Fed trolls who rip fans of other players. You pretty much described what people like me have to go through just to say we like Nadal. We have to defend ourselves like he defends the court.

Thanks, Morrissey, but it won't matter how clearly it's said, or how succinctly the points are made. Many of them are blind to self and blind to others. They actually believe they have a right to attack our choices! That we should have no opinion and should genuflect at the alter of Roger as they do. Everything he does is explained away. It's weird. I've never seen anything like it, and I hope I never do again! It's comforting to have you on this board!

 

[laurie]

I'm sorry to say but this Tennis Maestro seems like just another Condoleeza.

Someone who comes on and just wants to be divisive. What was he basing his opinion on? Now he looks like a complete fool unfortunately. He will most likely change his screen name.

Everyone else clearly thought Nadal would have too much for Novak and that provd to be the case.

By the way, Novak played very well, but it still wasn't good enough.

I also wonder whether Nicolay will get any sleep tonight? That was a horror show, he gave Federer an incredible amount of gifts - he served for all 3 sets he lost!

Federer cannot count on Nadal presenting so many opportunities - he will seriously have to raise his game.

So now the question is, can Roger do that, because we know Nadal is absolutely fresh and ready to go.

Thanks Tamaj for your remarks.

 

[Attila the tennis Bum]

its hard to respond without being a spoiler. But for those who already have watched the match we all have the answer.

 

[arnz]

Nope. Wrong, i'll pay up and visa versa i hope. :grin:

I'll keep bumping this thread till I get my flexpoint prestige

 

[Morrissey]

I'm sorry to say but this Tennis Maestro seems like just another Condoleeza.

Someone who comes on and just wants to be divisive. What was he basing his opinion on? Now he looks like a complete fool unfortunately. He will most likely change his screen name.

Everyone else clearly thought Nadal would have too much for Novak and that provd to be the case.

By the way, Novak played very well, but it still wasn't good enough.

I also wonder whether Nicolay will get any sleep tonight? That was a horror show, he gave Federer an incredible amount of gifts - he served for all 3 sets he lost!

Federer cannot count on Nadal presenting so many opportunities - he will seriously have to raise his game.

So now the question is, can Roger do that, because we know Nadal is absolutely fresh and ready to go.

Thanks Tamaj for your remarks.

Is that who this Maestro was? Whatever happened to Condoleeza? I smell a new screen name after that terrible troll thread. This thread title is as bad as someone saying that "Fed has no chance against Djokovic, even on grass". Anyway Davydenko should punish himself for choking away all three sets today. I guess looking like him is punishment enough. Oooh that was mean. I'm sorry. But Nadal isn't giving away any gifts on Sunday. He'll be ready and hungry for a 3rd grand slam title. Redemption time is near.

 

[Tennis_Nickmo]

I wonder if the troll will pay up?

 

[Dolphina]

LOL, the thread starter must be blinded by his wishes
Nole is physically not strong enough to beat Nadal on clay. He was lucky enough to keep the first sets close.

 

[arnz]

Can you please contact me so I can give you the address to send the racquet I won

 

[fujitsu77]

BUMP.

I just want to see if arnz is going to get his racquet (though this is highly unlikely )

 

[DashaandSafin]

If you really REALLY wanted it, isnt there a way to track him?

 

[arnz]

If you really REALLY wanted it, isnt there a way to track him?

Track him down and then send my goons to collect halfway across the world? or how about suing him for breach of contract in the courts? LOL

Its really the honor system. I just proved that there are plenty of people on the internet without honor, who talk out of their behind because nobody can really do anything about it. There are plenty of people who talk big on the internet, who in real life couldnt say the same things to your face, probably the same ones that live in their mother's basement and get picked on in school

 

[SamaRafa]

This thread was a waste, He had no chance of beating him

 

[Morrissey]

Track him down and then send my goons to collect halfway across the world? or how about suing him for breach of contract in the courts? LOL

Its really the honor system. I just proved that there are plenty of people on the internet without honor, who talk out of their behind because nobody can really do anything about it. There are plenty of people who talk big on the internet, who in real life couldnt say the same things to your face, probably the same ones that live in their mother's basement and get picked on in school

In other words, the Fedtrolls.

 

[DashaandSafin]

Track him down and then send my goons to collect halfway across the world? or how about suing him for breach of contract in the courts? LOL

Its really the honor system. I just proved that there are plenty of people on the internet without honor, who talk out of their behind because nobody can really do anything about it. There are plenty of people who talk big on the internet, who in real life couldnt say the same things to your face, probably the same ones that live in their mother's basement and get picked on in school

Eh nah. Im not suggesting you go that extreme.

Im just saying when you become some powerful mob boss, you track this sucker down and sent the hitmen.

 

[deme08]

I honestly believe Djokovich has both the game and tennis brain to out wit against Nadal's heavy topspin.

I think Djokovic has a very good chance of beating Nadal on clay this year. and yes he could certainly out wit Nadal's one dimentional topspin game!

 

[Zaragoza]

I think Djokovic has a very good chance of beating Nadal on clay this year. and yes he could certainly out wit Nadal's one dimentional topspin game!

I think he has a better chance to beat Federer on clay.
His set record against Nadal on clay is 0-7.
The OP is one funny guy.

 

[93sq.]

If djoko beat nadal on clay in nadal's best part of the season...

We would probably see a grand slam...



But...
It won't happen...

Not this year...


Same Nadal season...

Good in spring..
Awesome in summer..

...a normal player after July...

 

[veroniquem]

I think Djokovic has a very good chance of beating Nadal on clay this year. and yes he could certainly out wit Nadal's one dimentional topspin game!

Same chance as last year, haha that should be fun!

 

[deme08]

If djoko beat nadal on clay in nadal's best part of the season...

We would probably see a grand slam...



But...
It won't happen...

Not this year...


Same Nadal season...

Good in spring..
Awesome in summer..

...a normal player after July...

Honestly I think you are right. But what if he did then it would be even bigger than winning AO!

 

[zagor]

I think Djokovic has a very good chance of beating Nadal on clay this year. and yes he could certainly out wit Nadal's one dimentional topspin game!

Don't think so,Djokovic is somewhat of a hardcourt specialist.He can certainly go deep even in claycourt tournaments but I really don't like his chances against an inform Nadal on clay.I saw him play a great match against Nadal in Rome last year and he still lost 6-2 6-3,he has also yet to take a set from Nadal on clay.He may be able to beat him in Wimbledon though,we'll see.

 

[SempreSami]

TC is so in the know that he spells Djokovic's name wrong every time.

 

[93sq.]

Honestly I think you are right. But what if he did then it would be even bigger than winning AO!

Nadal focus his season in the period between march and july...

in may and june he's unstoppable...

He can't mantain the form required for his tennis style for a entire season..
But in the period in which he reaches every damn ball...he's da man..

 

[daddy]

Don't think so,Djokovic is somewhat of a hardcourt specialist.He can certainly go deep even in claycourt tournaments but I really don't like his chances against an inform Nadal on clay.I saw him play a great match against Nadal in Rome last year and he still lost 6-2 6-3,he has also yet to take a set from Nadal on clay.He may be able to beat him in Wimbledon though,we'll see.

I also do not fancy his chances on clay by all means. Imo this goes especially for the RG where you play best of 5 sets which gives the edge even more to Nadal. I would not be surprised to see Djokovic win in best of 3 - he can maintain a high level of serving and play for 2 sets. Providing he takes the first he can push and if he plays his best surely manage a win in straights ( I say he has 15% chance to do this ). Even in the 3rd set I would pick Nadal to come out as a winner. He is just so natural on clay that it is scary.

Wimbledon, I am already gearing up for that. I very much like the chances Djokovic has there.

 

[zagor]

I also do not fancy his chances on clay by all means. Imo this goes especially for the RG where you play best of 5 sets which gives the edge even more to Nadal. I would not be surprised to see Djokovic win in best of 3 - he can maintain a high level of serving and play for 2 sets. Providing he takes the first he can push and if he plays his best surely manage a win in straights ( I say he has 15% chance to do this ). Even in the 3rd set I would pick Nadal to come out as a winner. He is just so natural on clay that it is scary.

Wimbledon, I am already gearing up for that. I very much like the chances Djokovic has there.

Sure,if they meet at Wimbledon I'd pick Djokovic.In fact I think that Novak is the second favorite after Federer(I think he's still the man to beat there) in Wimbledon.I expect a lot of Nadal fans will disagree with this but I think that Djokovic is better on grass then most people realize.

 

[TheTruth]

Federer won his first Wimbledon Grandslam @ 21. Anyway just as Federer didn't win more than one slam at that age doesn't mean to state there isn’t a reminiscence between the potential Djokovich is displaying now and the potential Federer was displaying back then.

Fed won his first Wimbledon once month shy of his twenty-third birthday. He was definitely not 21, because that would mean he got it in 2001!

 

[daddy]

Fed won his first Wimbledon once month shy of his twenty-third birthday. He was definitely not 21, because that would mean he got it in 2001!

This is not so hard to calculate is it ? If you are born in Aug 1981 and win your first GS in wimby 2003, that makes you a month shy of 22 years old. Exactly 21y11m old when he won. Both of you are not correct. Someone biased here ?

 

[TheTruth]

This is not so hard to calculate is it ? If you are born in Aug 1981 and win your first GS in wimby 2003, that makes you a month shy of 22 years old. Exactly 21y11m old when he won. Both of you are not correct. Someone biased here ?

I had already found my post where I corrected that post and the information is the same as yours!

 

[daddy]

I had already found my post where I corrected that post and the information is the same as yours!

My friend, you lost it. You posted JUST ABOVE my post and this happened 30 minutes ago. Just scroll up the screan and you will find a very recent post of yours which I quoted - which was wrong. Okay ?

 

[TheTruth]

My friend, you lost it. You posted JUST ABOVE my post and this happened 30 minutes ago. Just scroll up the screan and you will find a very recent post of yours which I quoted - which was wrong. Okay ?

No. The corrected post was 6-06-07, post #59. That's the corrected post I was speaking of. It's in this thread. The one I posted thirty minutes ago was wrong! Thanks for the correction!

 

[drakulie]

I honestly believe Djokovich has both the game and tennis brain to out wit against Nadal's heavy topspin.

Ummmmmmm>>>>>>>> No.

 

[Fedace]

Out wit maybe but not outhit, not on clay. nadal is a different player on clay. due to all the high bouncing balls, he can create angles that normally he cannot on hardcourts. so taking balls on the rise is easier said than done against rafa.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

All you said about Rafa's clay dominance is true, but we have saw Federer losing on every hardcourt tournament in 2008 up to now.

I would still leave a chance for other players. If you want some numbers: Federer 20%, Djokovic 15%, the rest 5%. Of course, I'll put my money on Rafa.

 

[fastdunn]

Sure,if they meet at Wimbledon I'd pick Djokovic.In fact I think that Novak is the second favorite after Federer(I think he's still the man to beat there) in Wimbledon.I expect a lot of Nadal fans will disagree with this but I think that Djokovic is better on grass then most people realize.

"will become better" is fairer statement. IMHO,I don't think many people, Nadal fan or not, will agree Djokovic "is" already better on grass than Nadal who reached finals twice and stretched Federer into a 5 setter.

 

[fastdunn]

One of the joys with watching Nadal right now is observing how he's working on his game. His serve isn't a weapon per se, but it's SO much better than it used to be.

Lest we forget; during Wimbledon last year, he approached the net more times than Federer for the entire 2 weeks.

Exactly. If someone classify nadal's game one dimensional, I don't think there are many players who can not be considered "not 1 dimensional" in today's power baseline game.

Nadal has this defensive clay court mentality. But not exactly more one dimensional than most players today, IMHO.

 

[rafan]

Stamina! Its all about stamina with Djockovic - does he have the stamina to carry on through all the clay court matches and then Wimbledon with success - I don't think he has what Fed or Nadal has when they really get into gear. He may have worked out how to beat them but will he have the energy to follow it through?

 

[ninman]

Fed won his first Wimbledon once month shy of his twenty-third birthday. He was definitely not 21, because that would mean he got it in 2001!

except when you listen to the commentators after the match they say this "19 year old Roger Federer has dethroned Wimbledon's greatest champion."

 

[daddy]

"will become better" is fairer statement. IMHO,I don't think many people, Nadal fan or not, will agree Djokovic "is" already better on grass than Nadal who reached finals twice and stretched Federer into a 5 setter.

Shortly if you analyse their games you will find that low bounce and slipery surface along with the speed of it ( surely not clay like ) is much more suited to Djokovic's big serve and style of play. Nadal rarely goes for anything and staying in the rally is something which can win you RG, but for Wimby you need a bit more. He is great on grass but in my mind Djokovic is better. Past results may show it was not the case before ( I was pretty sure he will take out Nadal in '07 also but he was phisically to shaken by 2 very hard matches ) but this year is a different story.

 

[yellowoctopus]

I think it's easy for people to put Djokovic up on a pedestral right now, simply because he has been doing very well. The truth is, he is still not a complete player (and has plenty of time to become one) and clay has its way of bringing out the vulnerabilities (mental and physical) that a player has.

I would like to give Nadal some credit for being able to consistently beat all kinds of players on Clay, which is a pretty good indication that he is not simply out there to outlast everyone on the court.

 

[yellowoctopus]

Stamina! Its all about stamina with Djockovic - does he have the stamina to carry on through all the clay court matches and then Wimbledon with success - I don't think he has what Fed or Nadal has when they really get into gear. He may have worked out how to beat them but will he have the energy to follow it through?

good point! I would like to add that Djokovic's issue with 'Stamina' is more mental stamina than physical; afterall, he is quite disciplined in his physical training (aka he's is not early-day Andre Agassi) and quite a natural athlete.

 

[danb]

I honestly believe Djokovich has both the game and tennis brain to out wit against Nadal's heavy topspin.

Moya proved Nadal finds it extremely uncomfortable when made to play in front of the service line (picking up drop shots etc) and i believe Djokovich has the sense of tennis mind to know exactly how to combat Nadal. He will take Nadal's groundstrokes as soon as they go on the rise. (Almost on the half volley - So they don't spin away from him)

Hopefully this will be the case, and the final will be competed between 2 "tennis players" in Federer and Djokovich.

Here we go again: "Nadal is too one dimensional..."
You are very original my friend.

 

[FedForGOAT]

Some funny remarks from 2007:

Nadal in three.... and then Djokovic will tell us why he was the better player but lost for some reason.

Right on the money. Djokovic certainly made the excuses. I believe he said he "was in control" when he lost? Anyways, I see people noticed this trait of Djokovic's (bad sportsmanship) all the way back in June of 2007. So when people say that people hate Djokovic for no reason, that's not true at all.

I believe so. He is a very physically fit guy! Just because he doesn't flaunt it, like "Mr Motivator" a.k.a Cut Sleeved Nadal doesn't mean he isn't fit.

Nowadays I don't believe many people would call the djoker extremely fit (not that he isn't fit, its just all his medical time-outs) or say he doesn't "flaunt it".

 

[vince916]

Holy **** I was reading this thread and didnt even know it was a year old

 

[futuretoptenner]

Djokovic doesn't have a hope against Nadal on Clay. Well , OKay he has hope but that's all he's got.

 

[Oricus]

Djokovic doesn't have a hope against Nadal on Clay. Well , OKay he has hope but that's all he's got.

I'm pretty sure he has a little more than hope

 

[tangerine]

Nice blast from the past.

 

[TheLoneWolf]

Nice blast from the past.

Betamax is the way to go. VHS will never take off.

 

[bolo]

Oh my god, the Maestro IS at the bud collins level when it comes to nadal isn't he.

Would it be wrong if I wanted all of Tennis_Maestro's thoughts and predictions for Ralph collected in one place?

 

[Xemi666]

Hahaha, nice bump. It's amazing how underrated Nadal has been all his career, and I admit I'm guilty of that as well, I thought last year that he would only win RGs and maybe one or two Wimbledon's from then on, man has he proved me wrong!

 

[TheLoneWolf]

Oh my god, the Maestro IS at the bud collins level when it comes to nadal isn't he.

Would it be wrong if I wanted all of Tennis_Maestro's thoughts and predictions for Ralph collected in one place?

No, it wouldn't. All you have to do is walk to your nearest garbage dump and take a deep breath.

 

[drive]

LOL.
Maestro for president!