Nadal might play clay after Wimbledon

[DRII]

Exhibitions don't carry atp ranking points.



I can't speak for you personally but yes Nadal fans did go on about Davis cup and how Federer hadn't won one. This was a very highly brought up point.



you do realise you can lose in qualifying for a slam, get in as a lucky loser and win the whole event?

You do also realise the end of year championship was considered better than the Australian Open?

You do also realise that Nadal and probably loass of other players has lost singles matches in a Davis cup campaign and still won the event? In fact you could lose all your individual singles matches and doubles too and still be crowned Davis cup champ with the rest of the team.

I know you will just avoid the subject but let's face it, I've jut proved the Davis cup us a bigger exhibition.



That's it though, it's just your OPINION but it's OFFICIAL status is not an exhibition. I can say in my opinion all the clay events is an exhibition. But only an extremely biased person with an agenda would say that lol.

1. Please, there have not been endless threads or mentionings of D.C. the way fedephants/Nadal-haters have constantly brought up the WTF, and you know it.

2. Slam qualifying is not a slam! its qualifying to get into a slam. no slam or 'real' singles tournament would have an RR format! it takes away from the true competitive pressure and spirit of a legit singles competition. and yes you can argue that D.C. is also exhibitionary regarding one player's accomplishments since it is by definition a team competition. and so what if the WTF was once considered bigger than Australia; so was D.C. at one point!

3. yes it is my opinion as i've always said it was. what the ATP decides is their prerogative. my opinion is backed up by rationality and reasoning. you saying any clay tournament is an exhibition would make no sense whatsoever.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

I want Rafa to win the WTF.

Vamos!

 

[tennisdad65]

He needs to duck all tournaments that Novak plays in for a while. The positive H2H against Novak (and Fed and Murray) will be a key component of his legacy.

 

[DRII]

I'll take Nadal words any day regarding the importance of the WTF than some random fan who wants to bring it down, just because their fav hasn't won it.

Notice how Nadal didn't say...I want to win Wimbledon, I want to win US Open...No, he clearly stated his goal is to qualify to the WTF. He knows it is a massive title that he is missing, regardless of what anyone else says.

you have completely lost your mind and gone back to your bad old days if you really for one second believe that Nadal rather qualify for the WTF than win Wimbledon or the USO!

if you would actually employ a little discernment, you would see that if Nadal were to qualify for the WTF he would have to get back to his winning ways!

qualifying for the YEC is just a consequence of him playing well throughout the rest of the year. its not even a means to and end!

 

[tennis_commentator]

Nadal should push for the abolishment of the the bio passport. It's clear since it's inception the frequent testing has depleted his blood count. There's hardly any left for PRP and stem cells.

It's surely a tactic by the ITF to target the KOC.

Federer too, could not win the US Open despite the easiest draw of his career.
Early exit in Australia, and another easy draw at the French Open for no cigar (and lost to Wawrinka at a slam for the firs time ever!).
Not the results of a world #2.

 

[tennis_commentator]

He needs to duck all tournaments that Novak plays in for a while. The positive H2H against Novak (and Fed and Murray) will be a key component of his legacy.

He's never ducked Djokovic (definitely didn't duck Djokovic's best year, 2011, played him 6 times that year), so I'd be surprised.
Not in his personality.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

you have completely lost your mind and gone back to your bad old days if you really for one second believe that Nadal rather qualify for the WTF than win Wimbledon or the USO!

if you would actually employ a little discernment, you would see that if Nadal were to qualify for the WTF he would have to get back to his winning ways!

qualifying for the YEC is just a consequence of him playing well throughout the rest of the year. its not even a means to and end!

First of all, you are not the authority around here to say who has gone back to their bad old days or not. I am who I am, and say it like I see it. Shall we talk about your colourful history?

Nah, I would rather talk about Nadal. Everyone here knows your agenda, and has called you out for it, but I ain't gonna waste my time after this post. I will say what I want to say, if you don't agree, fine, that is not my problem...I don't care. But if try to poke a lion in the eye, then you can expect to get swallowed whole.

He wants to qualify because it is his target, he wants to play to get his ranking up, so he can give himself a chance at the only big title remaining. Good for him! He is playing more tournaments to try to make it happen. He doesn't have to play the WTF, but that is his aim. And I sincerely hope he wins it...I will take his opinion over yours thank you very much.

 

[DRII]

First of all, you are not the authority around here to say who has gone back to their bad old days or not. I am who I am, and say it like I see it. Shall we talk about your colourful history?

Nah, I would rather talk about Nadal. Everyone here knows your agenda, and has called you out for it, but I ain't gonna waste my time after this post. I will say what I want to say, if you don't agree, fine, that is not my problem...I don't care. But if try to poke a lion in the eye, then you can expect to get swallowed whole.

He wants to qualify because it is his target, he wants to play to get his ranking up, so he can give himself a chance at the only big title remaining. Good for him! He is playing more tournaments to try to make it happen. He doesn't have to play the WTF, but that is his aim. And I sincerely hope he wins it...I will take his opinion over yours thank you very much.

yea ok lion

how can you take his opinion if you don't even know it/decipher it

Nadal would much rather win Wimbledon or the USO than the WTF, let alone qualify for the WTF!

period, point, blank :twisted:

you act as if this is his last year on tour or something!

 

[Cup8489]

Honestly, Nadal needs to work on his backhand.
It will take strain off his forehand and help cover up his slower movement. This should be his focus.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

you act as if this is his last year on tour or something!

please let us dream, you killjoy !

 

[Towser83]

1. Please, there have not been endless threads or mentionings of D.C. the way fedephants/Nadal-haters have constantly brought up the WTF, and you know it.

2. Slam qualifying is not a slam! its qualifying to get into a slam. no slam or 'real' singles tournament would have an RR format! it takes away from the true competitive pressure and spirit of a legit singles competition. and yes you can argue that D.C. is also exhibitionary regarding one player's accomplishments since it is by definition a team competition. and so what if the WTF was once considered bigger than Australia; so was D.C. at one point!

3. yes it is my opinion as i've always said it was. what the ATP decides is their prerogative. my opinion is backed up by rationality and reasoning. you saying any clay tournament is an exhibition would make no sense whatsoever.

Sorry DC and olypics were always brought up anytime someone started talking about achievements, you wouldn't notice it because you only care about what negative things are said about Nadal, not other players.

If you fail to qualify for an even you lost in trying to gain entry to the main event. Qualifying is an extension of the event. I bet if Federer dropped out if the top 128 and won a slam as a lucky loser you'd be tge first to denounce the win.

The whole reason why I said the wtf was more regarded tham the AO was because you already said that about dc, so there's no need to state that again. In dc you can lose two matches per tie and still win... so why are you championing the merit of this exhibition? Double standards.

Yes tge atp can do what they like lol. But you stating that the wtf is an exhibition is a blatant untruth since these events are what they are designated by the atp. It's like me calling Queens a masters because it's history means I think it deserves that status. The fact is that it's not.

 

[Netspirit]

Nadal did not say "my goal is to win the WTF". He said "my goal is to qualify".
Qualifying for the WTF means winning slams and/or being in top 8. I cannot see how this is not a goal for any top player. Regardless of whether they actually play the WTF.

Having said that, if Nadal wins the WTF this year (beating Djokovic in the final), it would be hillarious. Mind-boggling.

 

[tennisaddict]

If Rafa takes this form to WTF, he would be humiliated.

His only top 10 wins this year are against Tur-dych and Ferrer.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I think he'll do pretty well at the USO and summer HC events. Just a feeling. Especially since he won't be defending any points at all.

 

[DRII]

Sorry DC and olypics were always brought up anytime someone started talking about achievements, you wouldn't notice it because you only care about what negative things are said about Nadal, not other players.

If you fail to qualify for an even you lost in trying to gain entry to the main event. Qualifying is an extension of the event. I bet if Federer dropped out if the top 128 and won a slam as a lucky loser you'd be tge first to denounce the win.

The whole reason why I said the wtf was more regarded tham the AO was because you already said that about dc, so there's no need to state that again. In dc you can lose two matches per tie and still win... so why are you championing the merit of this exhibition? Double standards.

Yes tge atp can do what they like lol. But you stating that the wtf is an exhibition is a blatant untruth since these events are what they are designated by the atp. It's like me calling Queens a masters because it's history means I think it deserves that status. The fact is that it's not.

Olympics have been brought up and rightfully so, hardly any Nadal fan has made a big deal out of D.C. and certainly not to the extent fedephants have regarding the WTF.

i won't even argue anymore regarding qualifying because you yourself know what the truth is regarding that! you're just trolling.

i wasn't championing anything regarding D.C., just stating an obvious comparison with the WTF.

again, the ATP does not rule my world. i consider the WTF to be an exhibition (actually an Elite Exhibitionary Event) due to its RR format in a singles competition, period, point, blank. it not a slam by any means!
and if your trying to declare the ATP the final arbiter of all things now, then your declaring all the fedephant arguments about Nadal's clay skewed titles record to be moot :twisted:

 

[TMF]

If Rafa takes this form to WTF, he would be humiliated.

His only top 10 wins this year are against Tur-dych and Ferrer.

Still he has to try his best. WTF is the 5th most important tournament that Nadal is missing, and is the biggest hole in his resume.

 

[Towser83]

Olympics have been brought up and rightfully so, hardly any Nadal fan has made a big deal out of D.C. and certainly not to the extent fedephants have regarding the WTF.

i won't even argue anymore regarding qualifying because you yourself know what the truth is regarding that! you're just trolling.

i wasn't championing anything regarding D.C., just stating an obvious comparison with the WTF.

again, the ATP does not rule my world. i consider the WTF to be an exhibition (actually an Elite Exhibitionary Event) due to its RR format in a singles competition, period, point, blank. it not a slam by any means!
and if your trying to declare the ATP the final arbiter of all things now, then your declaring all the fedephant arguments about Nadal's clay skewed titles record to be moot :twisted:

if you go on any tournament website you will find the qualifying draw and results. It's not on a different site. It's the same event.

What argument about clay skewed record? I don't get this, all Nadal's titles are worth what they are worth, being on clay has no diminishing effect on them and I've never said otherwise. Sorry I don't buy into crap arguments, like I've never agreed with people using Nadal not defending a title off clay as some sort of black mark on his career either. I'm not into these biased importance ranking of things.

Which is why I laugh at the wtf exhibition stuff. Fine you stay in your world, the important thing is the wtf is historically recognised as a very important event second only to slams, by the atp and the players, including Nadal himself.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he is thinking about winning it this year, it's more a ranking based goal to qualify. But if he didn't want to win it you wouldn't hear Toni complaining that it is never held on clay. They obviously wish he had won it by now but I still think he can win it whatever surface.

I do agree with you that people go on too much about Nadal not winning it, which is because it's one of the very few things that can be held against him but on the other side of it is people acting like no one cares about it when it's clear the players, fans and historians do.

 

[Netspirit]

i consider the WTF to be an exhibition (actually an Elite Exhibitionary Event) due to its RR format in a singles competition, period, point, blank.

This is just as ridiculous as saying "I consider the USO to be an exhibition due to its 5th set tiebreak rule" or "I consider Masters to be an exhibition due to their first-round byes" or "I consider Wimbledon to be an exhibition due to its use of Hawk-Eye and all-white clothing".

An exhibition is an event awards no ATP points. Period, point, blank.

 

[CHIP72]

Nadal's idea seems sound to me. There are a few clay court tournaments he could play, including the 500 event in Hamburg, that occur between Wimbledon and Montreal (first summer hard court Masters) where he could play on a comfortable surface for him and gain confidence going into Montreal, Cincinnati, and New York.

 

[britam25]

This is just as ridiculous as saying "I consider the USO to be an exhibition due to its 5th set tiebreak rule" or "I consider Masters to be an exhibition due to their first-round byes" or "I consider Wimbledon to be an exhibition due to its use of Hawk-Eye and all-white clothing".

An exhibition is an event awards no ATP points. Period, point, blank.

Man, Driip in this thread is like the hysterical woman getting constantly bytche slapped in "Airplane:"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc

 

[DRII]

This is just as ridiculous as saying "I consider the USO to be an exhibition due to its 5th set tiebreak rule" or "I consider Masters to be an exhibition due to their first-round byes" or "I consider Wimbledon to be an exhibition due to its use of Hawk-Eye and all-white clothing".

An exhibition is an event awards no ATP points. Period, point, blank.

if you want to allow arbitrary authority to dictate your perception on all things, then thats your prerogative.

i don't subscribe to such (period, point, blank!).

and again, my declaring the WTF to be an elite exhibitionary event has nothing to do with the points the ATP decides to award the winner, but its RR format for a singles competition.

 

[Feather]

yes LSD76, elite, relevant, and an exhibition.

any event where one can lose but still utlimately win is an exhibition.

The greatest tournament followed all over the world is FIFA World Cup. It's second only to Olympics.

I realized that it's an exhibition. I will not watch it henceforth :lol:

 

[DRII]

Man, Driip in this thread is like the hysterical woman getting constantly bytche slapped in "Airplane:"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc

you're a very bitter bird dafinch.

 

[britam25]

you're a very bitter bird dafinch.

Like I said, you couldn't be more wrong, as usual. And, as at least 3 other posters have shown,you're a very dim bulb, DRIIP

 

[Smasher08]

Nadal is in a panic. He is trying the same method harder. It doesn't work, I am afraid.

Is he hoping to rack up a few Challengers in which he doesn't have to face anyone in the top 30?

 

[Smasher08]

Nice to see that Nadal gives importance to a tournament that some people consider an exhibition...He knows the importance. I hope he has a great grass season

Odds are he'll go out again between R1 and R3. Planning to play on clay is a tacit admission that he's hopeless anywhere else.

It's also a tacit admission that he's not injured, at all, contrary to the deep denials of reality that some of his brigaders are still clinging to.

"Way down upon the SUOMI River. . . ."

 

[Deleted member 77403]

You don't get ranking points for an exhibition.
Your wins and loses don't effect your H2H with your rivals in an exhibition
Winning the title does not count as an official tour level title in an exhibition

None of the above things are true for WTF.

It is a sanctioned legitimate event, that adds to your legacy. It offers more points that any other event outside of the slams. To call it an exhibition is an insult to all the players that bust their back sides trying to qualify...Murray played non stop end of last year to just make it into the elite group. It is a tournament rich with tennis history. It is what it is, and it is one big title missing in Nadal's resume. If he wins it, he rounds off his accomplishments beautifully.

 

[The Green Mile]

Interesting. I'd like to see some more Nadal vs Cuevas meetings on the Clay.

 

[LETitBE]

Nadal is still 3 titles behind Vilas.LOL

 

[GabeT]

The greatest tournament followed all over the world is FIFA World Cup. It's second only to Olympics.

I realized that it's an exhibition. I will not watch it henceforth :lol:

In practícally very sports tournament in the world you can lose a match and still end up champion. They are all Exhibitions!!

 

[GabeT]

You don't get ranking points for an exhibition.
Your wins and loses don't effect your H2H with your rivals in an exhibition
Winning the title does not count as an official tour level title in an exhibition

None of the above things are true for WTF.

It is a sanctioned legitimate event, that adds to your legacy. It offers more points that any other event outside of the slams. To call it an exhibition is an insult to all the players that bust their back sides trying to qualify...Murray played non stop end of last year to just make it into the elite group. It is a tournament rich with tennis history. It is what it is, and it is one big title missing in Nadal's resume. If he wins it, he rounds off his accomplishments beautifully.

Funny how weekenders on an online chat board think they know more about what is a valid tournament than the pros that play there.

 

[jg153040]

WTF is just an exhibition? Yeah, and the Universe is only 6k years old .

I can't believe that in 21st century we still have to have such discussions. It's embarrassing for our race.

 

[jg153040]

Funny how weekenders on an online chat board think they know more about what is a valid tournament than the pros that play there.

But that is normal for some reason. Studies have been done. And successful people always underestimate themselves how they suck.

Losers always overestimate themselves, how great they are.

I guess, that's why winners are winners. Because if you think you suck, you will go out there and learn more and try your hardest.

But if you already think you are a genius and smart, then you won't be motivated to do anything. Why would you? You already achieved greatness, you can just relax and watch TV all life.

That's why people who think they are smart, don't know anything, since they don't learn anything, since they think they already know everything.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

if true Nadal fans were trolls, we would have constantly brought up Davis Cup (another historically significant event in tennis). especially when Federer had none and Nadal had multiple! however, we didn't so try and recognize that...

If I could get a penny every time the ************* was throwing the DC argument around, I would have been a rich men BEFORE Federer won it with Team Switzerland.

Or are you saying the VB are not true Nadal fans?

8)

 

[SLD76]

Odds are he'll go out again between R1 and R3. Planning to play on clay is a tacit admission that he's hopeless anywhere else.

It's also a tacit admission that he's not injured, at all, contrary to the deep denials of reality that some of his brigaders are still clinging to.

"Way down upon the SUOMI River. . . ."

I gotta admit..half the reason I come to this board is to see you post all things Helsinki related lmao

 

[DRII]

You don't get ranking points for an exhibition.
Your wins and loses don't effect your H2H with your rivals in an exhibition
Winning the title does not count as an official tour level title in an exhibition

None of the above things are true for WTF.

It is a sanctioned legitimate event, that adds to your legacy. It offers more points that any other event outside of the slams. To call it an exhibition is an insult to all the players that bust their back sides trying to qualify...Murray played non stop end of last year to just make it into the elite group. It is a tournament rich with tennis history. It is what it is, and it is one big title missing in Nadal's resume. If he wins it, he rounds off his accomplishments beautifully.

Agree with all bolded points, yet its still an Elite Exhibitionary Event due to its RR format for a singles competition! Which belies the spirit and tradition of a true singles tournament!

nothing you can say changes that...

 

[SLD76]

Agree with all bolded points, yet its still an Elite Exhibitionary Event due to its RR format for a singles competition! Which belies the spirit and tradition of a true singles tournament!

nothing i have said reflects actual reality..

Fixed it for you.

 

[DRII]

But that is normal for some reason. Studies have been done. And successful people always underestimate themselves how they suck.

Losers always overestimate themselves, how great they are.

I guess, that's why winners are winners. Because if you think you suck, you will go out there and learn more and try your hardest.

But if you already think you are a genius and smart, then you won't be motivated to do anything. Why would you? You already achieved greatness, you can just relax and watch TV all life.

That's why people who think they are smart, don't know anything, since they don't learn anything, since they think they already know everything.

you've just decried your demigod Federer.

but, i guess you aren't 'smart enough' to realize that

 

[DRII]

If I could get a penny every time the ************* was throwing the DC argument around, I would have been a rich men BEFORE Federer won it with Team Switzerland.

Or are you saying the VB are not true Nadal fans?

8)

thats a lie. Nadal fans hardly ever hyped D.C., i guess you haven't followed the previous pages of discussion...

 

[SLD76]

you've just decried your demigod Federer.

but, i guess you aren't 'smart enough' to realize that

Spot on comprehension as usual. And by as usual I mean missed the point completely.

 

[SLD76]

thats a lie., Nadal fans dont even mention DC since Switzerland won. I guess you haven't followed the previous pages of discussion...

Again, fixed it for you.

 

[DRII]

The greatest tournament followed all over the world is FIFA World Cup. It's second only to Olympics.

I realized that it's an exhibition. I will not watch it henceforth :lol:

perhaps you should learn to discern the difference between team sports and individual ones...

 

[DRII]

Again, fixed it for you.

provide proof LSD76, otherwise you're just hallucinating again...

 

[SLD76]

provide proof LSD76, otherwise you're just hallucinating again...

Why not do a forum search for Federer and Davis Cup and see what fruit that yields

 

[dominikk1985]

Sounds like he is already expecting another first round exit in Wimbledon.

 

[jm1980]

Nadal is playing Hamburg:

Rafael Nadal to play Hamburg in bid to boost poor season

But after Nadal’s early exit from Wimbledon, losing in the second round to Germany’s Dustin Brown, speculation grew that Nadal would take a wildcard into one of the post-Wimbledon European clay-court events. He has not opted to play any of this week’s three 250 events – the smallest category of ATP World Tour tournaments – but has chosen to play Hamburg, beginning Monday 27 July.

A strong performance in Hamburg could bolster Nadal’s slipping ranking, although the 14-time Grand Slam champion played only two events post-Wimbledon in 2014 and hence has few points to defend. It’s more likely to be a ploy to bolster Nadal’s confidence ahead of the American hard-court season and the indoor events which round off the year.

Bet-at-home Open tournament director Michael Stich announced Nadal’s participation in a press conference on Monday and the tournament promptly tweeted a confirmation.

 

[Deleted member 21996]

.... his fans and the tennis community as a whole

no need to generalize about his fan base is such manners

 

[NatF]

First title above a 250 incoming methinks...

 

[SLD76]

Nadal camp waving the white flag.

 

[BeatlesFan]

So much for the Rafa fans proclaiming he's the favorite for the USO!