Nadal needs either 2 more slams or the Aus Open to surpass Federer

Nadal will hit 21 at RG, immediately Djokovic will get 21 at WO and then 22 at USO. So Nadals GOAT hood will last only a month.;);)
Nadal will certainly win more slams but so will Djokovic. Just depends who can win most but Nadal is 3 ahead so has a good advantage at present. Fed might add 1-2 more but will be tough.

The big 3 are still dominating the majors, it’s remarkable!
 
Darcis world number 135 straight setted Nadal in the first round of the most important tournament in the world in probably Nadal's best year on the tour.

Is it possible to do worse?
Nadal a two time Wimbledon Champ..more than Federer at FO and USO (in Nadal era)....so your point is an epic fail
 
Nadal will certainly win more slams but so will Djokovic. Just depends who can win most but Nadal is 3 ahead so has a good advantage at present. Fed might add 1-2 more but will be tough.

The big 3 are still dominating the majors, it’s remarkable!
Nadal and Djokovic are the best of all time but what may assist Federer is nadal and Djokovic sharing majors for a couple of years.
 
No players can peak around then. Thats why this year peak Nadal lost on clay to a range of mugs and will lose nexy year to more mugs on clay despite being peak. This is the best version of Nadal on clya we have every seen and he still lost to mugs and a set to mug thiem

Anyway these are moot points. Nadal will finish with neither of the following records so discussiing indivudla touranments is moot/useless. Talk about djokovic instead:

Ned will not have:
Slam record (fed/djoker)
WTF record (lol)
Olympics record (murray)
Masters 1000 (djoker)
ATP 500
ATP 250
Weeks at no 1
YE no 1
H2H (Djokovic will lead fed and ned)
the fact you rely on 250 events and 500 events and WTF displays total desperation..what next who is best at dominoes lol.

Facts are Nadal has all the records that count, most Majors, leading h2h at best of 5 set level, most masters 1000's, multiple majors multiple surfaces...most majors at a single slam, it really is unbelievable. I know its like acid in the mouth but try to accept and find solutions.
 
Somebody explain to me how can a guy who spent the majority of his career ranked number 2 be the Greatest of All Time? In what other sport has this ever occurred?
In what sport has a guy who has a losing record to all his rivals and an inferior winning record at major event when all at their peak at same time can be the greatest.
 
In what sport has a guy who has a losing record to all his rivals and an inferior winning record at major event when all at their peak at same time can be the greatest.
exactly why nadal isn't even top 5 GOAT.... losing h2h his main rival as well as savage 7-0 7-0 humilations and 0WTF as cant beat top 8 players.... plus slam inflation from weak era 2003-2010

0 WTF and cant even win all the masters unlike like novak!!
 
In what sport has a guy who has a losing record to all his rivals and an inferior winning record at major event when all at their peak at same time can be the greatest.
RAFA GOAT when he cant even beat Novak at one of the SLAMS while Novak has at every slam even straight setting him multiple times :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D
 
exactly why nadal isn't even top 5 GOAT.... losing h2h his main rival as well as savage 7-0 7-0 humilations and 0WTF as cant beat top 8 players.... plus slam inflation from weak era 2003-2010

0 WTF and cant even win all the masters unlike like novak!!
Nadal 9-5 Djokovic in the biggest events lol.
 
RAFA GOAT when he cant even beat Novak at one of the SLAMS while Novak has at every slam even straight setting him multiple times :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D
You have just admitted nadal is GOAT...lol. you rely on Djokovic has the set of Masters 1000...Nadal has Multiple majors on all surfaces so by your own logic nadal is GOAT...well done. You got there eventually.
 
You have just admitted nadal is GOAT...lol. you rely on Djokovic has the set of Masters 1000...Nadal has Multiple majors on all surfaces so by your own logic nadal is GOAT...well done. You got there eventually.
He has 0 at WTF and 0 at multiple masters :-D:-D:-D:-D .... hahaha GOAT lmao and he has never beaten Djoker at an actual slam (the AO) :-D:-D:-D:-D hahah cant beat his main rival in a slam :-D:-D:-D:-D
 
He has 0 at WTF and 0 at multiple masters :-D:-D:-D:-D .... hahaha GOAT lmao and he has never beaten Djoker at an actual slam (the AO) :-D:-D:-D:-D hahah cant beat his main rival in a slam :-D:-D:-D:-D
Are you saying there is only one slam?

Might I suggest you have a quick google of how many Slams there are and the results at the same.
 
Are you saying there is only one slam?

Might I suggest you have a quick google of how many Slams there are and the results at the same.
0 wins at AO, A SLAM vs his main rival
0 wins at multiple masters vs his main rival
losing h2h vs his main rival
went 7-0 vs his main rival
went 7-0 vs his main rival ONCE AGAIN HAHAHA and didnt win a set in 7 thrashings

nedel GOAT hahahaha
 
0 wins at AO, A SLAM vs his main rival
0 wins at multiple masters vs his main rival
losing h2h vs his main rival
went 7-0 vs his main rival
went 7-0 vs his main rival ONCE AGAIN HAHAHA and didnt win a set in 7 thrashings

nedel GOAT hahahaha
May I ask are you new to tennis? Just wondered given every stat you post is wrong and the fact you think the AO is the only Major is somewhat concerning.
 
May I ask are you new to tennis? Just wondered given every stat you post is wrong and the fact you think the AO is the only Major is somewhat concerning.
Ned GOAT when he has a losing h2h vs his main rival!!! hahahaha

and to top it off 7-0 7-0 was on hard court slams, grass slams and clay slams!! hahah owned by your main rival and your GOAT hahah

0 wins at AO, A SLAM vs his main rival
0 wins at multiple masters vs his main rival
losing h2h vs his main rival
went 7-0 vs his main rival
went 7-0 vs his main rival ONCE AGAIN HAHAHA and didnt win a set in 7 thrashings

nedel GOAT hahahaha
 
Nadal era started in 2005...

So 4 Us open's against two. Still i like ur double standart
@Pantera Ned doesn't have an "era" he has literally never even got to all four slam finals in a year. Yes really. And his peak years consisted of getting thrashed 7-0 7-0 accross all three slam surfaces, at the WTF and and masters level

Djokovic won 4 slams in a row, Federer went 18/19 finals. Both killed it as week in a row no 1. That is an era. Ned's era consists of losing 1R at wimbeldon and going 7-0 7-0
 
Still no explanation for why the DCGS add extra value. It's just doing something again. If that somehow adds extra value then why does winning a second, third, fourth etc. Wimbledon (or any of the others) not add extra value other than having one more GS?
 

swizzy

Hall of Fame
That's coz you are clueless about what actual achievements are!

Weeks at number one, year end number one, YEC all are important man!
you can't possibly think that the head to head is meaningless? nothing is more tangible than how these two great players did against the other. they talk about it now..the conversation later when they both retire will be the main discussion. these two guys are linked forever. the two greatest players to ever play the game and they picked away at each others slam total.. if they played in different eras they would have way more slams. nothing is more real and relatable than the epic matches they played. stats and trophies tell one thing.. watch one of their brilliant matches and that is way more interesting.
 
No because what might happen is Shapavolov gets the weeks at no 1 and YE no 1 over djokovic and beats their masters records too. That means Nadal and DJokovic don't have any of those records to their name and only fed will be left with the slam record, WTF record etc which would make him GOAT as Nadal and Djokovic have no records then. This might happen and upset the current situation/reality where federer has the slam record/ wtf record/ ye no 1/ weeks no 1/ 3rd masters etc
There is no evidence to suggest that Shapovalov will do any of that. He is 20 and at that age Rafa had won two slams, six M1000 titles and had a 6 - 1 H2H lead over Federer so there was plenty of evidence that another ATG was on the way up behind Fed.
 
In that case there is no clear case for Nadal being an ATG on clay, as it is possible that 8 or 9 players will surpass his clay slam count and other records and push him out of ATG status there. Also what if Shapavalov gets to 25 slams? He might even do this within the next 25 slams coming up. Oh no what if Fed wins another slam?
In 2009 when Fed was proclaimed GOAT, there was quite a bit of evidence that another ATG was right behind him and was going to push him for major titles.

Your Shapovalov analogy is rediculous because there is no evidence that he is coming up behind Rafa and Djoker.
 
There is no evidence to suggest that Shapovalov will do any of that. He is 20 and at that age Rafa had won two slams, six M1000 titles and had a 6 - 1 H2H lead over Federer so there was plenty of evidence that another ATG was on the way up behind Fed.
Are we really talking about Shapo taking over the game of tennis and going on an absolute terror? I must of stepped in at the wrong time.
 
lmao you literally said rafa will end up with 10 more masters than federer and that makes up for 6 less WTF. Not only is that 10 unlikely, the more likely scenario is that nadal will not have the slam count, djokovic will have either the same slams as ned (or a a few less) but more WTF, same masters, more weeks no 1, more ye no 1 and a better h2h and according to your logic that makes up for djokovics lack of a slam or 2 versus nadal

There is never any clear GOAThood to Nadal. In that above scenario djokovic is better (Nadal aint getting the masters record)
I said if he ends up with 10+ M1000 lead over Federer..... if - I've also said that the M1000 deficit for Federer can become a liability for his resume if the other major records fall similar to how the WTF deficit is a liability for Nadal. There will be some tipping point there (I don't know what the exact number is)

How is 10 unlikely? The current lead is 6 and Nadal is still at the top of the game.

We agree on your last point - other than his current slam count, Djoker seems to be tracking stronger than both Fedal in the other major stats:

  • If he can hold number 1 for the next 12 months he will close in on the weeks at # 1 record
  • YE # 1 this year will see him pass Fed
  • WTF title this year will see him equal Fed
  • Djoker sits 5 ahead of Fed in M1000 titles and 1 behind Rafa
 
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