Nadal needs no new Coaching: Says Toni

OddJack

G.O.A.T.
Toni Nadal poured a full bucket of cold water over all those fans who were hoping a new couch in the team Nadal would make any improvement in the ailing career of Rafael.

He insists the problem is mental. No mention of slower movements or physical weakness, which to me is delusional.

...."In the same interview, Toni also declared that coaching is a collective responsibility saying that people should stop insisting about a possible coaching change within Rafael Nadal’s camp."

"...Toni Nadal admitted in an interview via tenis.as.com that Nadal’s struggles is mainly because Rafael has lost focus and can’t keep calm in the crucial parts of his recent matches..."


http://www.sportsrageous.com/tennis...g-change-needed-says-trainer-toni-nadal/9251/
 
Did anyone hear of Nadal training his forehand with that weird guy a couple of years ago until some problem between them arised?

No.

There is no need to announce the inclusion of a new coach in Nadal's team.

This can happen without any official press release and is most probable to happen exactly in that way, should a decision to bring someone on board be made.

Don't expect Tio or anyone from team Nadal start running around with sensational news for a new coach.

:cool:
 

newpball

Legend
And so the endless circle of doom continues:

nadal-circle_zpsspuy88t1.jpg~original


:D
 

Diehard

Semi-Pro
Toni Nadal poured a full bucket of cold water over all those fans who were hoping a new couch in the team Nadal would make any improvement in the ailing career of Rafael.

He insists the problem is mental. No mention of slower movements or physical weakness, which to me is delusional.

...."In the same interview, Toni also declared that coaching is a collective responsibility saying that people should stop insisting about a possible coaching change within Rafael Nadal’s camp."

"...Toni Nadal admitted in an interview via tenis.as.com that Nadal’s struggles is mainly because Rafael has lost focus and can’t keep calm in the crucial parts of his recent matches..."


http://www.sportsrageous.com/tennis...g-change-needed-says-trainer-toni-nadal/9251/
Toni Nadal makes alot of money out of Rafa...enough said.
 
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VexlanderPrime

Guest
Toni Nadal poured a full bucket of cold water over all those fans who were hoping a new couch in the team Nadal would make any improvement in the ailing career of Rafael.

He insists the problem is mental. No mention of slower movements or physical weakness, which to me is delusional.

...."In the same interview, Toni also declared that coaching is a collective responsibility saying that people should stop insisting about a possible coaching change within Rafael Nadal’s camp."

"...Toni Nadal admitted in an interview via tenis.as.com that Nadal’s struggles is mainly because Rafael has lost focus and can’t keep calm in the crucial parts of his recent matches..."


http://www.sportsrageous.com/tennis...g-change-needed-says-trainer-toni-nadal/9251/

Something you and I agree on for once :p

Toni's gonna ride this dying horse right into the ground by the end of the year. Considering the constant toll Tennis puts on his body (particularly knee pain Rafa has referenced before) I suspect that a repeat of 2015 (or worse) will usher in a Rafa retirement at the end of the year.

He needs to fire Toni immediately, stop playing until Monte Carlo and take from now until then revamping his game (Return and Aggression). He could play until 34 (and contend) if he did that.
 
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VexlanderPrime

Guest
He doesnt need to kick him out. Do what DJok did, keep him around like Vajda, get a diff opinion. Or even keep him behind the closed doors, which actually they may have been doing.

There is no Diff opinion allowed tho. Toni is Rafa's decision making brain. He calls the shots, not Rafa and certainly not another coaching voice. Its Toni or No-Toni. No half measure gonna work here.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I wonder if they'll still be saying this when he's knocked out first round of the french open by Donald Young.
It's called denial. By now, it is clear that they won't change their stand no matter what happens. For better or for worse until death do them part. Just like marriage ;)
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
It is physical. Which, in turn, affects the mental. It is absurd to think that Nadal's mentality is at the root of stopping Nadal being what he was from 2013 and before. It is also absurd for Nadal to just keep doing today what made him successful many years ago when it clearly doesn't work today with his reduced mobility, speed and declining serve.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It's never been known in the history of evolution that mammals get 'citius, altius and fortius' as they age.

No, the delusion lies in you guys. Nadal is not done. Things can change very quickly in sports, in a blink of an eye, as all should know.
 
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VexlanderPrime

Guest
It is pretty F'd up that the guy who is running an ATG's career into the ground can flippantly say "I'm not going to fire myself, the athlete is to blame."

The denial is real with this guy.
 

I am the Greatest!

Professional
especially after the intro of the biologicalus passportius

Do we have any substantial evidence regarding this? I mean, I am not telling you to **** off, I just wanna know the history about Nadal's decline correlated to the biological passport as I don't know why Nadal has been connected to the B.P. I know the allegation of doping, but what made you guys think that his decline is because of the implementation of the biological passport?
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Do we have any substantial evidence regarding this? I mean, I am not telling you to **** off, I just wanna know the history about Nadal's decline correlated to the biological passport as I don't know why Nadal has been connected to the B.P. I know the allegation of doping, but what made you guys think that his decline is because of the implementation of the biological passport?

23 wins against Federer.
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
Well, so much for Nadal getting a new coach.

Live by the sword, die by the sword...
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Well yeah he has 23 wins against Roger, but why is the biological passport related to Nadal's decline? Was the timing really that big? I don't know much about the B.P.

Basically Nadal started declining around the time it was implemented, and that's supposed to be evidence. Not that he has a physical style or anything and this is the way it was always going to be.
 

NEW_BORN

Hall of Fame
It is physical. Which, in turn, affects the mental. It is absurd to think that Nadal's mentality is at the root of stopping Nadal being what he was from 2013 and before. It is also absurd for Nadal to just keep doing today what made him successful many years ago when it clearly doesn't work today with his reduced mobility, speed and declining serve.

Problem is that is the only way Nadal knows how to play - Defend. Retrieve. Repeat.
 

hup

Rookie
No it isn't actually, which is what makes it all the more annoying.
it's not the only way he knows how to play but that is the style of play that's ingrained into him and he feels comfortable with. he can't drastically change his style of play at this stage of his career.
 

moonballs

Hall of Fame
Do we have any substantial evidence regarding this? I mean, I am not telling you to **** off, I just wanna know the history about Nadal's decline correlated to the biological passport as I don't know why Nadal has been connected to the B.P. I know the allegation of doping, but what made you guys think that his decline is because of the implementation of the biological passport?
No proof but the timing of his decline matches the timing of the bio passport. Besides even his most loyal fans can't come up with a more credible explanation of his decline. Everyone knows it is not a mental issue.
 

Jaitock1991

Hall of Fame
Interesting. Toni could be right. After all, he knows both Rafa and his game better than any of us know-it-alls will ever do.

And who knows? It's absolutely amazing how lack of confidence can have such a dramatic effect on an athlete's physichal performance. Insecurity on a deep level can make even the most explosive body look like the body of a 90-year-old.
 

Jaitock1991

Hall of Fame
It is physical. Which, in turn, affects the mental. It is absurd to think that Nadal's mentality is at the root of stopping Nadal being what he was from 2013 and before. It is also absurd for Nadal to just keep doing today what made him successful many years ago when it clearly doesn't work today with his reduced mobility, speed and declining serve.

I guess this is kind of a chicken vs egg thing. It could be the other way around too. Poor mental state(from lack of match practice etc.) can have a huge impact on one's physichal state. Either way though, NEITHER of those two aspects of Rafa's game are anywhere near where they need to be atm. It's sad to watch.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
I tend to agree. If changing coaches means changing his game, that is. You can't teach this old dog new tricks. Even players who slightly tweak their games to win that extra Slam can only accentuate weapons they already have in their arsenal (eg.: Sampras' serve at US Open 2002). What could Nadal possibly change to his advantage? He's not going to run faster, play with more intensity or have a better never say die attitude than before. He's not going to have a better forehand than before. And there's nothing in his game that can give him easy points/games, game after game, match after match.
 

I am the Greatest!

Professional
Basically Nadal started declining around the time it was implemented, and that's supposed to be evidence. Not that he has a physical style or anything and this is the way it was always going to be.

No proof but the timing of his decline matches the timing of the bio passport. Besides even his most loyal fans can't come up with a more credible explanation of his decline. Everyone knows it is not a mental issue.

Ooohh. I see. I didn't know that. But yeah, Nadal just declined overnight. It's like he went from 25 years old to 75 years old in a day/week. It's really unfathomable how it happened. Did he became slower also when the B.P. was implemented? I think he lost his speed last 2014. He was still pretty fast in 2013.
 
It is physical. Which, in turn, affects the mental. It is absurd to think that Nadal's mentality is at the root of stopping Nadal being what he was from 2013 and before. It is also absurd for Nadal to just keep doing today what made him successful many years ago when it clearly doesn't work today with his reduced mobility, speed and declining serve.

Actually, the current state is much more representative of what Nadal's true mentality is.

It is much easier to be mentally strong, when everything plays in your favour.

Now, when it is not like that for whatever reason, he is losing left and right matches that he should win.

He is not 100 years old, after all.

:cool:
 

LETitBE

Hall of Fame
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LETitBE

Hall of Fame
Ooohh. I see. I didn't know that. But yeah, Nadal just declined overnight. It's like he went from 25 years old to 75 years old in a day/week. It's really unfathomable how it happened. Did he became slower also when the B.P. was implemented? I think he lost his speed last 2014. He was still pretty fast in 2013.
no he didnt "just decline overnight"
 
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