MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Lol, so butthurt I don't know how you can sit, let alone walk. It's too cute. It's beyond comprehension how he could do what he did in his prime to simpletons like you. He was just that dude.
Nadal needs no new Coaching: Says Toni
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Lol, so butthurt I don't know how you can sit, let alone walk. It's too cute. It's beyond comprehension how he could do what he did in his prime to simpletons like you. He was just that dude.
did you read the article????it takes time for ped's to wear off,just like if you run 5 miles a night,if you stop running you don't instantly become unfit!he was lucky to make AO final and luckier to win the French and then what?
Lol, so butthurt I don't know how you can sit, let alone walk. It's too cute. It's beyond comprehension how he could do what he did in his prime to simpletons like you. He was just that dude.
i'm the simpleton
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
i'm the simpleton
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MLRoy
Hall of Fame
I read an Uncle Toni quote here a few weeks ago: If I wasn't his uncle, he'd have fired me by now. (paraphrase)
He's helped him win 14 slams -- more than any other coach. How can it be physical, when he's not doing the basics he used to do like really going for forehand winners, and hitting aces? He doesn't need to run around every ball to hit a great forehand, just go after it when it's hit to his left side.
The only physical prob he may have is shoulder trouble. THAT would explain why he's only rolling in first serves, and not going after his forehand. But wouldn't he say something about it??
He's helped him win 14 slams -- more than any other coach. How can it be physical, when he's not doing the basics he used to do like really going for forehand winners, and hitting aces? He doesn't need to run around every ball to hit a great forehand, just go after it when it's hit to his left side.
The only physical prob he may have is shoulder trouble. THAT would explain why he's only rolling in first serves, and not going after his forehand. But wouldn't he say something about it??
Bender
G.O.A.T.
- Nadal kickstarts career with 10/10 defence and 8/10 offence (in terms of game and as an affront to rabid Fed fans) > "Nadal must be doping, and if he isn't, he's going to get injured anyway and won't have a long career" "Hewitt and Chang had better defence anyway" as if this shouldn't warrant questioning either of these two players using this logic.
- Nadal gets injured as they predicted > "Silent ban much?"
- Nadal comes back and plays more offensively (in terms of game and as an affront to same rabid Fed fans) > "Nadal must be doping because there's no way he can play so well without help." Proof: He sweats a lot and is balding. Curiously, they never seemed to have connected either of these factors to the fact that tennis is a sport, and that balding--believe it or not--affects a huge number of men. They also seem to conveniently forget that Roddick was also famous for sweating a lot, balding, and, unlike Nadal, having the biggest serve in recorded history (which is probably better evidence--but **** evidence nonetheless--of "roid" use than being fast or having great endurance, which by their own admission describes Federer pretty well if you look at every other "who is the fastest player?" and "who is the best athlete?" thread).
- Nadal's game style of old (seemingly) finally catches up with him and his form falls off a cliff at an age most other tennis player in the past retired > "Nadal must be doping" because apparently it would be less suspicious that someone who's 29 would be able to play the same physical style as if he were 22. Federer was 29 back in 2011, and was already noticeably not as fit as before, no? Makes perfect sense that Nadal at the same age with far more mileage should somehow not be affected at all. You could point out that the decline was quite obvious right from 2014, but then "oh, but the benefits of doping wear out over time!!" You know what also affects the performance of an athlete over time? Age. Go figure, right?
- IF Nadal comes back > "Nadal is doping and has found a way to bypass the biological passport" because some of you ****s would probably sleep better at night telling yourself sweet lies than simply acknowledge that Nadal was actually a great player, regardless of whether other people place him above Federer or not.
Doesn't make it any less illegitimate.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
I have a better theory:
I think Nadal got old.
Outlandish theory, I know. Had to put on my best tin foil hat, but I've got evidence: I used to have infinite stamina but nowadays I start huffing just from pulling my racquet out of my racquet bag.
Also, ever notice how Federer has got more wrinkles on his face than he used to? I sense a coverup by the ATP (Adobe Tennis PhotoShoppers) and he got a silent airbrushing. But I'm onto them! I'm to smart!
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MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
^Nailed it really. The desperation of the Nadal is doping stuff is just unreal. If you think he's doping that's great, but you're embarrassing yourself if you think he's the only one.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
It may not take a genius to know when someone's being stupid, but it does take a moron to think that he's too smart for the rest of the world.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
Maybe he's too worried that Wawrinka will try to call him out on it LOL
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Bender
G.O.A.T.
That was my favourite Eminem song for the longest time...are you me?My thoughts on the subject can be summed up at 1:27
We even have the same first name...
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Lmao, he murdered that line, my goodness. The GOAT of wordplay tbh.
Alien
Hall of Fame
Why exactly would that be?
Certainly not muscle deterioration at his age. Nor bones.
Unless you think he is in pain, like he was in his knees or feet in the past which actually hampers his running (but still he kept winning).
Other than pain or severe injury like a hip replacement, there is no physical reason to explain him being slower.
Then if he is not injured, it would simply be a question of training more or differently to recover it. Unless again, like in the past, pain had made him decrease his training regime making him unable to come back to form.
No report that he is in pain whatsoever, btw. He has always been open about injury,
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Rafas coaching plot last two years is a tragedy to watch. Its tough to watch a player like Nadal zooming out his brilliant tennis career like this.
falstaff78
Hall of Fame
Excellent. Can't even imagine how many top athletes in how many disciplines are doping their gills out
I had no idea how easy it was to get away with it
I am the Greatest!
Professional
There's a myth on the tour back then that you have to give or sacrifice a part of your body to the devil or whoever it is just to beat Federer. Nadal obviously gave up most of his legs, Del Potro his wrist. Safin, well, he got injured after 2005, the year he won in Australia. Kuerten, the hips. You know. That myth was ridiculous.
Now is not right time to have coaching change, IMHO.
You do not want to complicate this recovery process of last 1 year or so.
Nadal needs more time.
All these buzz about coaching changes are distractions IMHO.
Nadal's team is doing the right thing right now.
Maybe they might want to assess situation from 2017 later.
Now is still time to focus on recovering a form, nothing else, IMHO.
newpball
Legend
OddJack
G.O.A.T.
You call it recovery process? Recovery from what, Arse blisters? The guy says he is in good shape physically and just needs confidence, so what is it his team doing exactly that's the "right thing"?
Goosehead
Legend
arse blisters ?
poor little w@fa..so that's why he's not winning stuff anymore.It can take a few years to regain top world class form. It's not like getting back to USTA 3.5 league after 6 month break.
All these noise on Rafa's state is gabbage at this point. Rafa's team will assess situation at the end of 2016.
Shaolin
Talk Tennis Guru
I fully agree. Nadal might lose in the first round one tournament and then get to the 3rd round the next. You never know what can happen.
nmanimaran15
Rookie
How did Toni forget to add "Nadal needs no new slam wins"
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kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Are you serious?
Think about how much running hes done since he was a child. Hes been running everyday ( sprints, not a casual jog ), for 20+ years.
I don't know what age you are, but im pretty sure, me , being a similar age to Nadal, cannot run the 100m as fast as I did as a teenager ( and im still fit and in good physical shape, regularly compete in martial arts ).
Its a basic fact that every single human being will lose physical attributes as they age LOL
Are you telling me hes still as quick as he was when he won his first RG ?
OddJack
G.O.A.T.
Asses the situation? Muhaha you mean they havn't already? The situation is Nadal is old, and at the end of 2016 he will be only older.
Alien
Hall of Fame
He is 29. Explain me muscles deterioration at 29. How much running? You must confuse a body with a car.
when did i say he was the only one? but he is the most obvious one for sure
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
You can think whatever you want really, that's your right.
yep he's not getting young he's getting old just like the rest of us,but after all the warrior like grinding and playing through injuries......do you not think the injuries would get worse with age and more wear and tear or is it logical to think they would just disappear and his form go down the **** shute?
i think torn hamstrings and things like that could play a part in that but
why would he keep playing and playing poorly with a bad shoulder when he go and "have an operation" like most injured players do? i heard John Alexander on the radio the other day and he said 80% of players over 26 years old that play on hardcourts have had a knee operation......surely that can't be right can it?
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Nadal may indeed not be the only doper, though there are more red flags surrounding Nadal and Ferrer than any other players over the last 10 years.
Consider the rapid change in body shape from 16-18. Consider the cover up by the Spanish authorities into the matter and the doping culture prevalent in Spanish sports from 2004 onward until 2012. Consider his injuries and lengthy timeouts throughout his career.
If, and this does remain a big 'if', whose to blame? Personally I couldn't blame Rafa due to his young age at the time of potential drug allegations against him, but I would blame his coach and retinue. That would a legitimate reason to be upset with Toni Nadal, not because Rafa is showing a decline at the end of a remarkable career.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Actually, IF Nadal was doping, he was doing it even before he turned 16.
These days (and it has been like that since the 90ies) they start very early, because the stress starts very early.
And, yes, there are patterns and signs that make Nadal much more probable suspect than other players.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Ofcourse Nadal needs change in gamestyle and he needs new coach. Why is so much importance given to the coach is simple. Because he is Nadal's uncle.
At the end of the day, I don't think the coaching would make him no.1 anyway. He will just be a bit better than the rockbottom he has reached. Don't care about this coaching issue anymore.
At the end of the day, I don't think the coaching would make him no.1 anyway. He will just be a bit better than the rockbottom he has reached. Don't care about this coaching issue anymore.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Actually, the current state is much more representative of what Nadal's true mentality is.
It is much easier to be mentally strong, when everything plays in your favour.
Now, when it is not like that for whatever reason, he is losing left and right matches that he should win.
He is not 100 years old, after all.
Good point.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Operations don't always fix you completely. Range of movement can be different in a knee, foot, or hip for example. I know this from experience btw.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
I don't confuse a body with a car. Have you been regularly competing in any sports for over 10 years? Just before I ask you anymore questions.
HardcourtHeaven
New User
rafa needs a new uncle!!!
Goosehead
Legend
this 2016 version of uncle toni is a weak era uncle toni,
we need to find a new uncle that's more like the uncle toni of 2005-13. strong era uncle toni.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
I don't understand what you're trying to get at.
Unless you're suggesting that only PEDs can heal Nadal's injuries, Nadal's injuries should heal over time with treatment (PRP), and they should be affecting his performance sooner rather than later.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
Only on Planet TTW is it possible to take a statistical anomaly and declare that it surely must be a rule and not the exception.
Ya, but Rafa has slowed and probably needs to change to more aggressive tactics. I don't think he needs new coaches necessarily, but he can't keep beating his head into the wall with the same tired game plan. More aggressive play makes sense as Rafa can still clock the ball off both wings.
what injuries?he's had no injuries for a year now! if his knees are buggered at 27.....do you think they would be better or worse at 29?
Mainad
Bionic Poster
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