Nadal needs to stop using the buggy whip forehand

IMO it takes a lot of energy and while consistent, it does not give him enough depth and penetration unless he's in great form

Looking at his practice videos and really early matches, it's clear that his flat forehand is extremely powerful if not as consistent as the buggy whip
 

lulzprime

Rookie
He won 14 slams with it, so just because he's on a slump right now you want him to stop using his bread and butter?


...and you made an account TODAY just to say this?

Lol.

Grow up.
 

MLRoy

Hall of Fame
I don't know what's up with him. His shot selection is losing him matches. He keeps hitting these forehand approach shots down the line, with little pace, leaving the whole court open. He gets away with it with the lower-ranked players, but not the quality ones. smfh
 

big ted

Hall of Fame
i think he does need to be more aggressive with his shots like connors and agassi...but i don't think it will happen with uncle toni... i mean how many years has he been in this "slump"? mid 2014?
 

BHud

Hall of Fame
Yep...and Sampras should've quit volleying, Roddick should've stopped serving so hard, and Ferrer should've stopped grinding.
 

Jaitock1991

Hall of Fame
Rafael Nadal's forehand is one of the heaviest if not the heaviest groundstroke of all time, so suggesting that his technique does not measure up is to me somewhat redicilous. That said, there's no doubt that it's nothing but a shadow of what it used to be, and along with his movement the single most important factor when analyzing his decline.
 
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Chadillac

Guest
You ever see someone hit themselves in the face trying to buggy whip? Its as funny as when someone slams a ball in the fence, hits the pole and comes back for them. Saw someone hit them self in the nutts once
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Nadal will not (and cannot) change his FH. Asking him to discard this shot is like asking Federer to switch to a two-handed BH. Nadal has the second-greatest FH in the history of tennis, why would anyone seriously suggest he change it? He's 30 years old, he'll never hit that shot as consistently or as lethally as he did in his prime.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
Nadal will not (and cannot) change his FH. Asking him to discard this shot is like asking Federer to switch to a two-handed BH. Nadal has the second-greatest FH in the history of tennis, why would anyone seriously suggest he change it? He's 30 years old, he'll never hit that shot as consistently or as lethally as he did in his prime.
Actually part of the issue with his forehand is due to changes he made to it in 2013, in my opinion.

But to OP, yeah I agree. It's not technically incorrect--a reverse forehand is not a new shot Nadal invented, and his reverse forehand technique is perfect--it's just poor shot selection.

A similar analogy is Sharapova's swinging volley in the place of an overhead. It's not technically incorrect; it's just not the optimal type of stroke to be hitting in many of the situations where she chooses to use it instead of an overhead.

Similarly, Nadal's reverse forehand isn't technically incorrect, but his liberal use of that particular stroke is questionable at times. For example, he uses reverse forehands on approach shots sometimes, when a WW forehand would make more sense. He uses the reverse forehand to hit winners when a WW forehand would make more sense (because a reverse forehand produces more spin for the same amount of effort compared to a traditional WW forehand under ideal conditions).

The problem with that last one is because too much spin

= ball is in the air for longer
= ball is therefore in play for longer
= ball is returned by opponent
= Nadal has to hit another shot to finish the point
= chance of Nadal losing the point goes up if he wants to continue being aggressive

...not to mention that high balls allow players to get under them, making them easier to hit a safe ball off of it, especially on the forehand side. If you hit from up high, you can hit with a more downwards trajectory.

This may be why Rafa may be wanting a lower bounce on courts--because there comes a point where a ball that bounces too high (and short) ceases to become difficult and starts to act like a faster lob feed that can be smacked away. A ball that bounces slightly lower but just as short forces opponents to be playing in no man's land (which is not good), or hit an approach shot and play at the net (which few are comfortable doing).

He could of course choose to hit the ball harder or with less spin for the same effect but I guess it's been his nature recently to complain, rather than making changes in his own game (or team, for that matter).
 
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ultradr

Legend
i actually think it takes LESS energy to produce the given pace/spin with reverse forehand(aka buggy whip).
if you master it of course.
 

danbrenner

Hall of Fame
his forehand is his greatest asset.
his aging body is not. its that simple.
you dont question something that has won you a few slams. yet alone 14.. come on now
 
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