Nadal never doped
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Dedans Penthouse
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ivan_the_terrible
Hall of Fame
You teach others?
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
And your way of ignoring is to perform a psychological analysis with several bullet points?
Logic. You seem to miss some.
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
Crap made up by religious anti-Rafa-fanatics is not information.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
The human afterbirth's sentence construction leaves much to be desired.
Smasher08
Legend
What about his infamous sickness of Fed called MONO ( Dopers cover sickness ) and amazingly it was so minor he didnt missed single tournament.I guess god created the man indeed.
and he is sports star not the guy works in an office. Hımm is it a coincidence Fed took a break after MELODONİUM SCANDAL is it a coincidence he injured this time cant play tournaments???You know what it is so easy to play the game of allegations ı simply LOVED İT
Unfortunately your "allegations" are incoherent. In order:
1. I never knew my sister was doping when she had mono. I'm guessing she didn't either.
2. What PED allows you to have mono and yet compete without any impact? (A LOT of money is about to be made off of this, so just let us know.)
3. Have you ever had back problems? Clearly not. But in any event, I wouldn't at all be surprised that he's had a TUE for this, which would make it legal.
4. He competed before the "MELDONIUM SCANDAL" erupted and didn't get caught while Sharapova did. Please tell us what the performance enhancing effects of MELDONIUM are, as displayed by his performances. He does not fit with he profile of athletes who use it (i.e. Eastern European). And he gave a clear, consistent, and coherent explanation for his time off and came back looking both rusty and not match fit.
The problem with your "ALLEGATION GAME" is its superficiality combined with a lack of connection to any known PEDS or their profiles.
I actually don't want to discourage you or anyone else from being skeptical towards any athlete. But any skepticism has to be informed by actual PEDS and their profiles.
So you have to do your research.
Smasher08
Legend
Quoted for supreme irony.
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
Lance armstrong never used drugs, he blood doped. Totally different as it is taking a pint or so of blood out of your body, storing it, and then putting it back in your system a month later, and right before competition.
The issue with blood doping is while it raises red blood cell count, therefore vo2 max which is most important in cycling, it also increases blood pressure to deadly levels.
Lance never did drugs to dope, he used his own blood.
EDIT: I realize I am wrong. He used Erythropoietin a growth hormone
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Smasher08
Legend
IIRC he used EPO.
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
Haven't you heard? There is a new ped that can be used and fits the bill of everything they're saying.
Dihydrogen monoxide! All of the top pros are using it. It gets out of your system in roughly 8 hours and causes urine to appear clear when ingested in high quantities.
It also is deadly if taken in large doses and can cause organ failure.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Actually, Lance also doped with drugs.
He failed a drug test early in his ascendance to the top, but a donation for anti-doping purposes
was sufficient to persuade the people with power to put that aside.However, your explanation reminds me a bit of the Nadal and his knee and back treatments.
Do you happen to know more about it?
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
I take back my comment, I did a google check on this.
I realize that the blood doping was more publicized though.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
About blood doping? Its just removing blood and putting it back in affter your body has already replaced it.Actually, Lance also doped with drugs.
He failed a drug test early in his ascendance to the top, but a donation for anti-doping purposes
However, your explanation reminds me a bit of the Nadal and his knee and back treatments.
Do you happen to know more about it?
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.htmlTrying to be original or just a slip on some well watered surfaces?
There's a website, trust me. The internet never lies
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
I'm not sure if it is illegal out of competition. The enhanced red blood cells are only there short term.That is what I hear happened in Nadal's case (with his treatment).
Curious.
I guess it would be similar to using c4 pre workout in the gym. It has bitter orange, or synephrine which enhances performance but has a half life of 8 hours.
It's pretty much of no use outside the short window of like 4 hours since taken.
ivan_the_terrible
Hall of Fame
And your way of ignoring is to perform a psychological analysis with several bullet points?
Logic. You seem to miss some.
Your logic is to defend her?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I am not sure either, but I still find it curious.
I am also sure that he would have received a TUE, given the gravity of his knees condition.
Oh, I fogot that they healed with that treatment.
Never mind.
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
For sure, I mean I know I use c4 in the gym so I can get more reps in. I also know that it is banned in competition.I am not sure either, but I still find it curious.
I am also sure that he would have received a TUE, given the gravity of his knees condition.
Oh, I fogot that they healed with that treatment.
Never mind.
Since it leaves my body before I compete though, does it count as doping or not.
I also know tons of d1 and highschool athletes that use it, its just a kick as$ preworkout. Really gets you pumped.
At the same time tho, caffeine is an ncaa banned substance. So you could equate it to a morning cup of joe.
mellowyellow
Legend
No, if you are referencing PRP treatments. PRP is spun and seperated blood and has high concentrations of ones own growth factors (6 types) in it. It's not legal intramuscular. Big name doctors that have used it in sports have been busted with HGH and other PEDS. The science behind it and it's documented lack of results points to one thing IMO...
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Tennis_Hands
Banned
Well, I know that they start relative early.
You could equate it to a picture of Kate Beckinsale too, but it is not how this works.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Can you point to the documented lack of results you mention?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Posting a picture of Kate, so that the people know what I am talking about
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
I mean c4 not blood doping lol.Well, I know that they start relative early.
You could equate it to a picture of Kate Beckinsale too, but it is not how this works.
There are banned substances, but is that in competition or out. Or are there some that are banned for both.
Caffiene and bitter orange both have only short term effects. Blood doping without extra drugs is also only short term.
This should be illegal, Testosterone booster.Posting a picture of Kate, so that the people know what I am talking about
mellowyellow
Legend
No, research it yourself, and while you are at it lookup what a placebo is...
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
So, in other words, you're just blowing hot air. Thought so.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I got what you meant.
She is legal from several decades, but really drives home my point.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
You are astonishingly disinterested when it comes to Nadal.
After all, you defend him vicariously and should know your stuff.
mellowyellow
Legend
No. Their is little evidence it works as suggested. In fact most of the great responses to treatment come in surprise surprise....sports! Imagine that. One research article that I read suggested the fact of sticking a needle in the area causes a response in and of itself. So you can't even do a true placebo study since the very form of administration causes a reaction. Since you don't understand a placebo, I suggest you start there first.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
How do you defend someone vicariously?You are astonishingly disinterested when it comes to Nadal.
After all, you defend him vicariously and should know your stuff.
BTW, I have yet to see you raise suspicions about Federer's remarkable run nearing 40 years of age. Why do disinterested?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I am more than interested.
It is just nothing out there, but if you point me to anything (medical treatment etc) I will be more than happy to research it and present my findings.
I hope that you have something for me.
fundrazer
G.O.A.T.
This is correct. I believe it was during the tour de Suisse one year he failed a test, but he was later granted a backdated TUE for corticoids to treat "saddle sores." Even the part about Lance donating money to the UCI is correct.Actually, Lance also doped with drugs.
He failed a drug test early in his ascendance to the top, but a donation for anti-doping purposes
However, your explanation reminds me a bit of the Nadal and his knee and back treatments.
Do you happen to know more about it?
rh310
Hall of Fame
I'd read it already. I noticed you bolded the word "Swiss" -- did that word have some special significance to you?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Yes.
It triggers an algorithm that gives at the output posts like the one you were fortunate to read.
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ivan_the_terrible
Hall of Fame
I rest my case - glad that you're able to correct "reliogious". Now try some logic like that Rusty fella, you're making him look silly defending you.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
However, IT doesn't remove the second hyphen from the "anti-Rafa-fanatics".
The algorithm needs improvement, but I can see how this minor change may result in a catastrophic failure of the whole construction to comply with ITS AOCDs by not sounding and looking monolite enough (undoubtedly necessary, if it has to view all its (pardon Rafa's) targets as one).
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fundrazer
G.O.A.T.
Octo used to like stressing that Lance was paying money to a "Swiss" company. I corrected her more than once that he was paying money to Ferrari, who is Italian and not Swiss.
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
If an Italian works for an American company based in the United States, it doesn't transform it into an Italian company.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
CONVERSATIONS WITH AN IMAGINARY POSTER, VOL 1
Nadal having muscles proves he dopes.
Just like Lance Armstrong.
Hey, I must dope too although I don't remember doping because I have muscles too!
But oh, wait, Nadal has stamina. That proves he dopes!
Yes, because Djokovic doesn't have stamina. Even Fed, who is 35 years old basically and can hang with the younger kids.
But wait! Nadal was absent 7 months because of a silent ban!
Yeah, and he came out of the ban more doped than ever so that he could win the FO, USO, and the American Summer HC Swing?
But, but, but... I hate you!
That, my dear poster, is because you are a Grade A moron and/or a hater. 
Nadal having muscles proves he dopes.
Just like Lance Armstrong.
Hey, I must dope too although I don't remember doping because I have muscles too!
But oh, wait, Nadal has stamina. That proves he dopes!
Yes, because Djokovic doesn't have stamina. Even Fed, who is 35 years old basically and can hang with the younger kids.
But wait! Nadal was absent 7 months because of a silent ban!
Yeah, and he came out of the ban more doped than ever so that he could win the FO, USO, and the American Summer HC Swing?
But, but, but... I hate you!
That, my dear poster, is because you are a Grade A moron
and/or a hater.
mellowyellow
Legend
If money is paid directly to an employee of any company has he paid money to the company?
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
CONVERSATIONS WITH AN IMAGINARY POSTER, VOL 1
Nadal having muscles proves he dopes.
Just like Lance Armstrong.
As for muscles, the religious anti-Rafa-fanatics are barking up the wrong tree. These guys look alike:
ivan_the_terrible
Hall of Fame
What's your point? They both never failed a drug test
J
JRAJ1988
Guest
"Koellerer's opinion"
Now just that made me cough up my cup of tea. He's hardly a reliable source look how he got banned in 2011.
Now just that made me cough up my cup of tea
. He's hardly a reliable source look how he got banned in 2011.
fundrazer
G.O.A.T.
It's not a company that was created/owned/operated by Swiss people. I'm 99% sure it's/wasjust some shell company created + controlled by Ferrari. Get it through your frickin skull.
Your example is a completely different scenario.
Smasher08
Legend
Her agenda is to respond to anyone pointing out patterns with Nadal by making allegations that Fed is PEDing.
How a "doping" Fed is 11-23 against a "clean" Nadal is, of course, something she is mercifully untroubled by.
Smasher08
Legend
CONVERSATIONS WITH AN IMAGINARY POSTER, VOL 1
Nadal having muscles proves he dopes.
Just like Lance Armstrong.
Willful blindness often causes posters to keep going around in circles. And building straw man doesn't defeat an argument.
The pattern is there. But any attempt to derive significance from it is now impossible.
Literally any and every player on the tour could be beating the passport.
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