Nadal never doped

I think to say Nadal mentally gave up is selling his mental strength short.
His mental strength shines in the duration of a match, not between them. His mental strength is overrated when it comes to recovering from bad losses. One huge upset or loss and he plays like he hasn't won a match in his career.

Federer and Djokovic have him beat in that area.
 
Willful blindness often causes posters to keep going around in circles. And building straw man doesn't defeat an argument.

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The pattern is there. But any attempt to derive significance from it is now impossible.

Literally any and every player on the tour could be beating the passport.
1. Nadal looks nothing like those baseball players. Nadal in that picture looks like an 18 year old that works out 4 hours a week in the gym.

2. Sure, sure. The Bio Passport was foolproof until 2 weeks ago, before Nadal's "resurgence". What a coincidence, no?

3. Thank you for illustrating. Nadal can't win with the haters. It's just that simple.
 
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The biological passport hasn't been foolproof for a long time, but it was only just introduced to tennis so avoiding it hasn't been an issue until recently.

So, Rusty, you are a Nadal fanboi?
 
1. Nadal looks nothing like those baseball players. Nadal in that picture looks like an 18 year old that works out 4 hours a week in the gym.

2. Sure, sure. The Bio Passport was foolproof until 2 weeks ago, before Nadal's "resurgence". What a coincidence, no?

3. Thank you for illustrating. Nadal can't win with the haters. It's just that simple.

Poopie, you're being silly. Tranquilo.

"Those baseball players" are actually Barry Bonds before and after. Nadal plays the most cardio-intensive form of tennis so the fact that he has that kind of musculature after several years on the tour is really quite incongruous.

My point is, there's a pattern there whose dots aren't unreasonable to join. But the pattern is proof of absolutely nothing.

And the recent revelations about the passport being beaten by micro-dosing, like you rightly say, put a cloud over the entire sport. Literally any player could be doping and getting away with it. So it makes it impossible to make individual judgments about the pattern of any particular athlete because the baseline (i.e., control group) you necessarily have to make it to is completely shot, and therefore unusable.

Like I said earlier, post-Sharapova, post-Armstrong, post-BALCO, post-Biogenesys, by all means suspect athletes. Change the culture so that federations begin taking additional steps requiring athletes to do far more to prove themselves clean.
 
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It's not "crap", and it's not "made up". Many share that view. It fits a pattern, and it's therefore not unreasonable to be suspicious.

But it's proof of precisely nothing.

And now that microdosing has been shown to evade the passport, literally any player could be doping, so there's no baseline for comparison. Ipso facto, the only way to know a player is using PEDs is to catch them with the passport.

That's why people need to be suspicious towards every athlete. Post-Sharapova, post-Armstrong, post-BALCO, and post-Biogenesys we should all be skeptical towards athletes with unlimited endurance or who take prolonged breaks and then come back and are back to peak form within two or three tournaments.

Create a culture where federations decide it's finally time for athletes to start disclosing medical records and taking extra steps to prove they're clean.

Well, you must include Federer to your accusations.
 
The biological passport hasn't been foolproof for a long time, but it was only just introduced to tennis so avoiding it hasn't been an issue until recently.

So, Rusty, you are a Nadal fanboi?
I am as much a fanboi as you are a genius, Bart.

For how long hasn't the passport been foolproof? Because Nadal just started improving his "stamina" in the past few weeks. Is a few weeks an appropriate definition of "a long time" for you?

One thing I give you haters is that it's too easy to expose your half-baked arguments. o_O
 
Poopie, you're being silly. Tranquilo.

"Those baseball players" are actually Barry Bonds before and after. Nadal plays the most cardio-intensive form of tennis so the fact that he has that kind of musculature after several years on the tour is really quite incongruous.

My point is, there's a pattern there whose dots aren't unreasonable to join. But the pattern is proof of absolutely nothing.

And the recent revelations about the passport being beaten by micro-dosing, like you rightly say, put a cloud over the entire sport. Literally any player could be doping and getting away with it. So it makes it impossible to make individual judgments about the pattern of any particular athlete because the baseline (i.e., control group) you necessarily have to make it to is complete shot, and therefore unusable.

Like I said earlier, post-Sharapova, post-Armstrong, post-BALCO, post-Biogenesys, by all means suspect athletes. Change the culture so that federations begin taking additional steps requiring athletes to do far more to prove themselves clean.
But the passport has been beatable for a long time now, like Bart (the forum's authority on microdosing along with myriad other subjects *chuckle chuckle* ) just stated with his usual aplomb.

Nadal's pattern doesn't fit that at all, because he was winning slams in 2013 and 2014, and has only started improving noticeably lately.

Look at the Meldonium issue, for example (of which Barty Boy is the world's foremost authority *grin* *chuckle* ). Do you also think Meldonium is a placebo? Or do you think there is a performance enhancement effect to it? Because Meldonium sarted becoming really popular in Eastern European countries 5 years ago. You know, in 2011? Any dots you can join there?

I get that it's tough being subjected to beatdowns by Nadal so often, but if Fed can, surely you fanbois can too, no? Or at least you could try being a little less sore.
 
But I am a genius, fanboi. So you are saying that Nadal's stamina has improved?
You are so predictable. You make a statement saying "the Bio Passport hasn't been foolproof for a long time", I ask you to confirm that, and sensing a threat, you respond without answering me, and don't quote my post hoping I will forget I made the question. Genius. LOL
 
Fixed that for you.

But you were actively posting in the recent thread where it was actively discussed, so there's no excuse for you to not remember, let alone misrepresent it.
That's BS. Microdosing has been going on for years in cycling, genius. Or maybe you are just parroting what you heard from that other supreme intellect, Bartleby. You know, the guy who claims Meldonium is a placebo. What a bunch you two are. :D
 
If you take anything that Bartelby says seriously, by the way, the joke is on you. He is still eating crow after claiming Meldonium is a placebo and saying Sharapova would be reinstated right away after the excretion rate issue from WADA.
 
I've already given a timeline on this so if you haven't read every one of my posts I'd be very surprised.

You are so predictable. You make a statement saying "the Bio Passport hasn't been foolproof for a long time", I ask you to confirm that, and sensing a threat, you respond without answering me, and don't quote my post hoping I will forget I made the question. Genius. LOL
 
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I've already given a timeline on this so if you haven't read everyone of my posts I'd be very surprised.
I don't read what you post anymore unless you are quoting me or it's a short post and I want a quick laugh.

The "sources" for your timeline, are they as trustworthy as the sources you used to reach the conclusions about Meldonium?

*chuckle*

Sorry, Bart. Don't take it personally. Or do. I don't give a ****. LOL

BTW, "everyone" in your post is an incorrect use. It should only be used in the same context as "everybody". You probably meant "every one". I'm not a native English speaker though, so I could be (although it's highly unlikely) wrong.
 
I invented the use of the phrase 'eating crow' here.

Meldonium is still a placebo, as even USADA suggests.

I never said Sharapova would be reinstated after the excretion rate debacle by WADA.

As you admit, Nadal's stamina and endurance has improved unexpectedly recently.

If you take anything that Bartelby says seriously, by the way, the joke is on you. He is still eating crow after claiming Meldonium is a placebo and saying Sharapova would be reinstated right away after the excretion rate issue from WADA.
 
I invented the use of the phrase 'eating crow' here.

Meldonium is still a placebo, as even USADA suggests.

I never said Sharapova would be reinstated after the excretion rate debacle by WADA.

As you admit, Nadal's stamina and endurance has improved unexpectedly recently.
No, I didn't admit ****. You are reading words that aren't there. I'm just repeating your "observations" to show you how they don't even square up with your half baked theories.

Do you even know when microdosing started being used in cycling? Genius?

You invented the expression "eating crow"? Really? Please tell me more.
 
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If you don't care, why do you keep reading my posts ... and then forgetting about it?
I don't read your "factual" posts when you are trying to lecture the forum about something you obviously don't have a ****ing idea about. You have proven to be very tendentious and manipulative in the way you build arguments and conduct conversations in the forum, so I don't waste my time with your "data".
 
The Nadal has stated he doesn't go to the gym...

I wonder why the religious anti-Rafa-fanatics, who are trashing Rafa on TW, are so unknowledgeable! :rolleyes:

The photos below were taken in Rafa's personal gym at home (men behind Rafa are Rafael Maymó - physiotherapist, and Joan Forcades - physical trainer):
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João Sousa went to Rafa's personal gym in December 2015:
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Any updates as to when Nadal is issuing his test results now he has permission to do so from WADA and the ITF?
 
'He doesn't go to a gym' was meant to be coyly ambiguous, but if you have something at home then you can say you don't have to go to it because it's here.

So once again a Nadalista defames someone unnecessarily. The bad manners of former French Ministers are catching.

I wonder why you keep lying:
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I think it was either Ralph or Toni who said this, but yep, I remember it too.
I Believe it was Toni, and I had that a little wrong, but it was 10-11 years ago so please forgive. He said he doesn't lift weights(boring?), he has been very little in the gym. Just some resistance work with rubber bands for injury prevention.
 
It was also said or rumoured that he does a lot of work in the 'pool' due to it being easier on the body, so lots of stories 'float' around and change over time.
 
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Poopie, stop being so sensitive.

Nadal's pattern doesn't fit that at all, because he was winning slams in 2013 and 2014, and has only started improving noticeably lately.

Incorrect. The passport didn't begin until spring 2014, and it didn't finish its baseline collection phase until full 2014.

Look at the Meldonium issue, for example (of which Barty Boy is the world's foremost authority *grin* *chuckle* ). Do you also think Meldonium is a placebo? Or do you think there is a performance enhancement effect to it?

Haven't a clue -- haven't had time to do any research on it. Sharapova, however, said she'd been prescribed it for about a decade now.

I get that it's tough being subjected to beatdowns by Nadal so often, but if Fed can, surely you fanbois can too, no? Or at least you could try being a little less sore.

I couldn't care less about a tennis match or a record. Unlike the Nadal cultists (not to be confused with real Nadal fans), I have no need to live through an idol.
 
I Believe it was Toni, and I had that a little wrong, but it was 10-11 years ago so please forgive. He said he doesn't lift weights(boring?), he has been very little in the gym. Just some resistance work with rubber bands for injury prevention.

Simple "lifting weights" is really boring. Rafa uses modern strength-training equipment in his gym. He uses rubber bands to warm up before practicing.
 
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I invented the use of the phrase 'eating crow' here.

Meldonium is still a placebo, as even USADA suggests.

I never said Sharapova would be reinstated after the excretion rate debacle by WADA.

As you admit, Nadal's stamina and endurance has improved unexpectedly recently.

Not just stamina and endurance by my estimation, but depth of shot, consistency, and possibly footspeed.
 
It was such a weird quote at the time. Simply not possible.
Like I said, he probably thought people were referring to his muscular build and thus he was trying to say he doesn't bodybuild. It's plausible that that is what he was trying to get across. There's nothing here. Move on to your next piece of conjecture.
 
He receives doping allegations from me and many people outside of TWW that should be enough. ;) Seriously what allegations means ?? Lies gut feeling or cheap talk ?? If Rafa wants to play the PR game dirty there would be tons of lies all over Spanish newspapers and press about Fed and Djokovic. Is this what you call allegations ??? Here is my allegation then, FED is the biggest doper the sporting history ever seen he increased his dose of peds after 2013 as he gets even OLDER.;)

Receiving an allegations from anonymous posters on the tennis board like TWW means nothing to these athletes. Despite having many fans believe Nadal dope, he's not losing any sleep over it, nor suing anyone on TWW.;) However, when a doping allegation comes from a high profile people like Roselyne Bachelot, it tampers one's image, and integrity. And for that reason, Nadal's camp decided to sent a letter to the ITF to request all of his drug test/results information publicize to protect his image. Nadal is the only player who is in this position, there's no reason for other players to do the same thing.
 
Poopie, stop being so sensitive.



Incorrect. The passport didn't begin until spring 2014, and it didn't finish its baseline collection phase until full 2014.



Haven't a clue -- haven't had time to do any research on it. Sharapova, however, said she'd been prescribed it for about a decade now.



I couldn't care less about a tennis match or a record. Unlike the Nadal cultists (not to be confused with real Nadal fans), I have no need to live through an idol.
Before I read the rest of the post, what's with this "Poopie" thing? Is that the best you can do to try to make an argument? "Poopie"?

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