Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by bolo, Mar 9, 2010.
So, what did you guys think of Rafa's last match?.. I thought he was playing definitely better.
I thought he was too but I think a large part of it was the better court and balls. He looked rusty in Chile which wasn't the least bit surprising but then Brazil, even though he ended up winning, was such a dreadful court (for all of the players) that I don't think anything should be surmised about his performance there. I don't think the slipping and sliding and getting his foot caught did his knee any good whatsoever. He looks happier and much more comfortable in Acapulco and is trusting himself to make some shots. This is a much better test for him to see where his knees are at.
Big win for him last night, Alund is a very good player.
Rafa is getting stronger as we speak, Ferrer will be a test for sure!
He's looking much better than in Chile. The sound of his backhand seems very different.
Why is he playing today again?, he would have played the round of 16 and then the quarters, so this would be the semi, on a Thursday? :-?
Can't be right.
Nothing great. He struggled with, and got bossed around by a guy barely ranked inside the top 100 in the second set. He also said in his post match interview that he was tired by the time the second set rolled around. Not good news and nothing positive to take from last night's match, imo.
I don't think he's looking much better at all. And the acoustics of the courts in Acapulco are probably why things sound different, because it's still the same old same old from him like always.
I think he's looking much better too Crisstti. According to this article, he's feeling much better too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/21614113
He's playing Leonardo Mayer, another Argentine. He sure has played a slew of Argentinians lately! This is the quarters tonight. They started with a draw of 32 so there were no byes and the tournament ends on Saturday so quarters tonight, semis on Friday and final on Saturday.
Gee Clarky, would you have anything good to say had he won 0 and 0?.
He is playing better, he's playing a lot more aggressively, and he was not bossed around in the second set. He was in control and could have won a lot more easily, Alund had a hard time winning his serve in all but one game, I believe. Though I was disappointed he didn't manage to win the second set with a better scoreline. He was very close though.
He also said he's been feeling better of the knee for a few days now.
I see, thanks
Isn't that odd though?, masters have a first round by and a 500 doesn't?.
He's said after both his matches in Acapulco that he's been feeling better. It's a relief since he has said when he came back that it was expected that the pain would be gone (or as much as possible I'd imagine) by the end of February, and it hadn't sounded from what he'd said in Brasil that that was the case... I guess he could be lying, but he is moving better also, so I don't think so.
It would depend on how he played. If he played like garbage, no matter what the score was, I would say so.
What did you see that makes you think that? I saw him still letting shots go, and not moving well to his left. It's the same as it's been since he came back.
OK. So what did you think of the first set then?.
He's letting fewer balls go than he was before.
And wouldn't you say he's saying he's been feeling better is a good thing?. You yourself have put a lot of stock on him talking about still being in pain, so you shouldn't discount this.
Actually, maybe I should take your "nothing great" comment as almost praise .
That he was playing a mug barely ranked inside the top 100. Lol. The guy was doing nothing so he got beat. We saw in the second set that Nadal is still struggling against these lower ranked players when they put some pressure on him. I don't see that as a positive at all. I'm worried about tonight too because Nadal usually throws in a stink bomb of a match after he actually hits some winners in the previous match. He has had a huge problem of stringing 2 decent matches together for the last 2+ years now.
I'm going to take that as praise, considering what you usually have to say about him.
Hope you won't mind
i think it was a 32 player draw..arnt atp500 events usually 64 ??.
if they had given 1st rd byes then there wouldnt have been much tennis at the start, no byes gives the fans an extra chance to see nadal and co.
do they they pay nadal ferrer almagro an appearance fee ??, so they want 5 matches not 4 out of them.
Be my guest.
I don't think I ever know a thing about how many players there are on any given draw. I had assumed that since masters have a first round by, all tournaments below them would also.
They paid an appearance fee in Chile and Argentina, and 4 matches is what they got...
It is good to get to see more matches though
You believe me about Nadal's level now, Crisstti? He was abysmal again tonight. I fear for him against Nico tomorrow. I sense a major *** whooping is going to be put down on him big time.
Oh, I thought he was pretty great
Come on, now. You can't really believe that.
will this forum ever upgrade to a new look? looks like an '80s message board......
Oh, I can
He played aggressively and many amazing winners. It's true that it was a little frustrating that the second set was so close. Mayer began to serve quite great, but Rafa playing just a little bit better would have won that set more easily. I think he will get there.
It's better than the very cluttered and schizophrenic look of MTF.
agreed but let's move on to something new.......this interface is decent but been for too long and boring at the same time.......
This is why Clarky is the way she is: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7042371&postcount=161
Clarky will never EVER say anything complimentary about Nadal (despite being a crazed fan). You can bet your house on it.
Gee, that's a possible explanation. But the truth is, he's just A nut case. That's all there is to it........:twisted:
I think he has improved significantly as he is gaining more match play. It's good to see he is playing better since Chile, he is still making more errors then usual, but his movement is so much better and he is able to hit more winners.
I thought this shot was amazing...
Trophy and fireworks.
I just watched the match again on ESPN , and one of the commentators said that he had heard very negative things about Rafa's knee from people very close to Nadal a while ago. He said tht Benito wasn't confident at all. And then he said that "someone" very very close to Rafa had told him 10 or 15 days ago that Rafa was going to play Acapulco and he (Rafa) didn't know whether he was going to keep on playing tennis after that, because the knee was still hurting him.
LMAO,,, He CAN"t Bite it. it is too wide
I wonder how much truth there is to what the commentator said.
I don't think he was planning on retiring, but there is no doubt in my mind the knee was in worse condition then what he lead on. Especially since it was bothering him for 8months + it would have been really frustrating trying to get back into competition and still feeling so much pain. From his emotional reaction and tears you can tell how much winning this tournament meant to him, you can't help but feel for him. I guess we'll never know the full truth of what went on during his recovery.
old news..move on.
Quite recent news actually.
It is and I heard about it too. I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. Nadal's knees are shot.
Well, what I wrote wasn't meant to be a negative thing. He is feeling much better.
I just hope he doesn't over do it and that if he feels at all not well at IW he withdraws.
It was worrying that he had pain - to the level he couldn't practice as much as he wanted nor move the way he wanted sometimes - after a seven months layoff, and that it didn't seem to be going away by the end of February like he had said it was supposed to.... it must have been freaking him out.
such an emotional win for nadal... obviously a lot going on with him... trying to hold back the tears, can only imagine how many times over the past 8 months he has wondered whether or not he would be able to play tennis ever again...
I think that the improvement that was promised to him by the doctors actually happened finally in Acapulco because he said so often and in so many ways that the knee was finally feeling better...not perfect...but good enough to allow him to play with confidence. His very emotional reaction seems to support that theory.
I think the Brazil tournament was very very difficult for him. On the one hand, it gave him some match play and some wins that helped his confidence but on the other, the surface was so bad that it didn't do anything for his movement and didn't allow him to test the knee in proper conditions.
It really was, wasn't it. I must admit my eyes got strangely damp too watching him with that towel over his head and so overcome. I don't think anyone but his family and Maymo and Joan will ever know what he went through during those eight months. If the tennis gods now will only give him some good karma and allow him many good years to play at the level his talent and hard work will take him to. He deserves some good breaks.
I like Pico's tweet best of all - King of Clay. That is all.
Yep. You're so right Pico.
Some people were saying he's an atheist, but he just mentioned God in an interview.
I thought Nadal was an agnostic, not an atheist.
Nadal should just get off the fence
People have said he's agnostic/atheist because that is what he himself has said. I wonder if he's changed his mind or is just a way of saying.
Yeah, sure they are! :roll:
They are. His knees have been troublesome for years and eventually they will give out completely
Quite possibly true but you are either the biggest trolling clown alive or the most negative bore if you watched the last match he played and can only see black.
You act as if he decimated Cvac or something. He beat a Ferrer that played like garbage. When he can beat the top players again, and shows he can retain some decent form, I will think winning a lousy 500 event means as much as you think it does.
They're clearly not. If they were, their recovery is completely, ridiculously, unadulteratedly unnatural. In my view, we're at a point now where reasonable grounds for PED suspicion are writ large.
It is unnatural for someone to miss nearly eight months from the tour and rout the world #4 6-2 6-0 after playing a couple of 250s against journeymen and nobodies. He cannot possibly be experiencing any kind of physical ailments of any kind -- which, given that these alleged ailments were claimed to be serious enough to keep him off the tour for more than half a year, is wholly inconceivable.
When Thomas Muster returned from six months off and a serious knee injury it wasn't until his fifth tournament back that he was able to beat a top five player (Gomez), and even then he just squeaked it out in the 3rd.
When JMDP -- the first man to beat both Federer and Nadal in a grand slam --took nine months off in '10 he lost in the first round of his first two tournaments back. His performances were middling for several months, and it wasn't until 2012 where his form finally returned. He sure wasn't routing top-5 players after one month.
John McEnroe wasn't bagelling top-5 players in his 3rd tournament back after his '86 hiatus, either -- and that hiatus wasn't even due to injury. And after Wilander started taking time off from the game in '90 -- also for reasons other than injury -- he doesn't appear to have beaten another top-5 player again until a fluke swan song in Montreal in '95.
So what Nads has done this weekend has either broken the laws or physics, or the laws of biology. Neither of which can be done naturally.
His knees are not shot. They've made an unnatural recovery. His mobility and timing should be a mess -- and yet they have come back unnaturally fast. His match fitness should be laughable -- and yet it has snapped back into place with unnatural speed.
Nadal has made a completely unnatural return.
I hope he ends up in Federer's quarter at IW and beats him.
So as per you, he was on a silent ban and still came back 'unnatural'. Why do you watch/follow a sport whose organization allows this to happen?
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