Nadal not focused on Feds slam chase

#51
That's true, once you start fantasizing about things it can be the death of your productivity in the present moment. It's a common behavior for depressed people. It makes complete sense to me that Rafa is telling the truth here and I don't know why he'd lie either. It just lines up with his attitude towards life in general. I think it's way more likely that people on a tennis forum would think more about it than the actual players and that's why it's so unbelievable to them. I can understand why they might think/suspect Rafa is lying but you can't be 100% sure of that.
There is a difference between lying with the deliberate plan to deceive and the human tendency to "color" the truth in a way that is comfortable.

We all engage in a bit of "self-BS" from time to time, and some of it is probably necessary to stay sane.

If every time someone asks you "how is your day" and you don't answer with the exact truth, with all details, that doesn't mean you are liar.

If you are famous and then bombarded by invasive questions from the press, every day of your life, only a fool expect you to answer every questions with the complete truth.

I don't agree that famous people are obligated to answer every question every time politely.

Just one I'd like to hear a top player say, in a press conference, to someone especially rude:

"You know, that's a REALLY stupid question, and if you ever again ask me something that dumb again you'll never get an answer from me again in the future. Now, does anyone else in the room have something intelligent to ask, or should I end this clown show right now?"
 
#52
I think Nadal is probably more focused on his own Major wins as opposed to Fed's. He can't control what Fed does unless they play each other.

Nadal is probably looking to win as many Majors as possible. If that ends up being more than Fed, it'll be a bonus.
It won't be a "bonus" if it happens. It will be THE point in the future and will flip the discussion.

Right now it still goes the same way:

23>15

vs

20>17

Add to that Fed's recent dominance in the H2H. Those are the three biggest talking points. If it ever gets to 20=20, then the whole balance of the ongoing-feud changes.
 
#53
It won't be a "bonus" if it happens. It will be THE point in the future and will flip the discussion.

Right now it still goes the same way:

23>15

vs

20>17

Add to that Fed's recent dominance in the H2H. Those are the three biggest talking points. If it ever gets to 20=20, then the whole balance of the ongoing-feud changes.
Yes, for tennis fans.

I think Nadal and Fed just want to win as many as possible. If they do that, the record will take care of itself.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
#54
Of course Nadal wants to the slam record, that's the ultimate goal in his career even if he ends up breaking his legs.

The question is who wants the record more between Federer and Nadal. I say Nadal is more obsessed with the record, and Uncle Toni is pressuring him.
 
#55
What he says makes total sense. Nadal thinks philosophically, that has been apparent over the years. From a stoic perspective (and he might be a devout), he doesn't want to worry about things not under his control.
In a way the grand slam race is NOT completely under his control. If Federer, wins Wimb 2018 - it's almost over. And if Federer wins more GS after that, it is DEFINITELY over.

As Nadal said, he has ambition and wants to do well. But he cannot be worried about things that he cannot control. He cannot be anxious or envious of Federer who has more grand slam titles. That can drive him crazy and he has to do his way in life.

This way he has a sound mind and happiness. This is one of the best quotes from Nadal:
________
"You can't be frustrated if somebody has more money than you, if somebody has a bigger house than you, if somebody has more Grand Slams than you," "I've never been crazy about this kind of stuff. You can't live with that feeling. You have to do your way.
________

People would do well to be mindful of that as we so often drive ourselves nuts worrying about things that we cannot control.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
#57
This is one of the best quotes from Nadal:
________
"You can't be frustrated if somebody has more money than you, if somebody has a bigger house than you, if somebody has more Grand Slams than you," "I've never been crazy about this kind of stuff. You can't live with that feeling. You have to do your way.
________
I like how you left out his next important sentence:

"I'd love to have 20 like Roger in the future or more, but it is not something in my mind. I know I've had an amazing career so I want to keep fighting for these things."

Meanwhile, his job is a tennis player. What does he have left to motivate him if not for the slam chase?
He can be as philosophical as Socrates but he is gunning for the slam record. That's what is keeping him from retirement and fishing or golfing daily.

It's not something on his mind but he'd love to have 20 like Roger or more. Nope, not at all on his mind! :rolleyes:Some of you guys crack me up.
 
#58
I like how you left out his next important sentence:

"I'd love to have 20 like Roger in the future or more, but it is not something in my mind. I know I've had an amazing career so I want to keep fighting for these things."

Meanwhile, his job is a tennis player. What does he have left to motivate him if not for the slam chase?
He can be as philosophical as Socrates but he is gunning for the slam record. That's what is keeping him from retirement and fishing or golfing daily.

It's not something on his mind but he'd love to have 20 like Roger or more. Nope, not at all on his mind! :rolleyes:Some of you guys crack me up.
Look, I don't disagree with you. He has ambition for more slams. What he is saying, is that he wants these things, but NOT having them or NOT being able to achieve them does NOT drive him crazy. And he doesn't worry about what other people have MORE than him. So he will do this own thing and try to do as well as possible, since he is ambitious, but he won't get frustrated if he is second best.

To understand when he says it's not on his mind, is him being philosophical. He's talked about Stoicism before. They are "indifferent" to things not under their control, which doesn't mean that they don't welcome these things if they get them, but they don't worry about the need to get them or constantly fear losing them - so that they maintain internal harmony.
 
#59
I like how you left out his next important sentence:

"I'd love to have 20 like Roger in the future or more, but it is not something in my mind. I know I've had an amazing career so I want to keep fighting for these things."

Meanwhile, his job is a tennis player. What does he have left to motivate him if not for the slam chase?
He can be as philosophical as Socrates but he is gunning for the slam record. That's what is keeping him from retirement and fishing or golfing daily.

It's not something on his mind but he'd love to have 20 like Roger or more. Nope, not at all on his mind! :rolleyes:Some of you guys crack me up.
Every second word from uncle Toni is about the slam record. Looks like he wants the record for his nephew who isn't really thinking about it. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.:rolleyes:
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
#60
Look, I don't disagree with you. He has ambition for more slams. What he is saying, is that he wants these things, but NOT having them or NOT being able to achieve them does NOT drive him crazy. And he doesn't worry about what other people have MORE than him. So he will do this own thing and try to do as well as possible, since he is ambitious, but he won't get frustrated if he is second best.

To understand when he says it's not on his mind, is him being philosophical. He's talked about Stoicism before. They are "indifferent" to things not under their control, which doesn't mean that they don't welcome these things if they get them, but they don't worry about the need to get them or constantly fear losing them - so that they maintain internal harmony.
It goes without saying that it's not entirely within his control and that it won't drive him crazy if he doesn't succeed and that he'll have a fantastic life but the point is that he's 32 and probably thought he'd be retired by now. I'm sure he thought younger players would have chased him out by now. After everything he's achieved, the slam race is what motivates him. There's nothing else that could possibly motivate him at this point. He's going to go after it full speed ahead. Whether he'll attain his goal is another thing. Do you think he's still playing so he can win another Cincy? o_O
 
#61
Of course he's gunning for the record. He's not going to leave any stone un-turned after spending his entire life playing tennis. You lose your drive for the top even for a second and you end up like Djokovic.
 
#63
Why would he be? Fed only has 2-3 season left while Nadal likely has 6 plus & if fit is guaranteed one slam per year until he retires & is a major contender at two of the others-new gen are a joke so he doesn't have to worry about them.
 
#64
Both of them have claimed this many times. It's BS.
This. What are they supposed to say? "Yeah, I totally am just trying to get the best of that one dude I've been fighting off/trying to catch up to my entire career."? They play the game and keep trolling each other in their interviews. Look at what Fed said in Stuttgart a couple of days ago about Rafa being the favorite to win Wimbledon. I mean, really?
 

ADuck

Hall of Fame
#65
Please don't be naive, man!

Nadal states after there are other things in life besides the slam race that he'd like to have 20 slams like Federer does or more if he can.

These two players--Nadal and Federer are competitive athletes. That's part of what makes them as great as they are. They both want to end their careers with the most number of slams. Sure, it's not their entire lives and they have plenty of other things going on and they won't lead unhappy lives if they don't end with the most number of slams but as long as they're both active, they have that goal in sight. There's nothing wrong with it either.
Maybe Nadal isn't telling the whole truth, but do you think he's gotten this far just by looking at someone who has more/ is better than he is and wishing he was like them? No way.
 
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