Nadal now 4-0 on Hard-courts (2-0 indoors) against the great Stefanos

clout

Hall of Fame
This is a terrible match-up for Stefanos. His backhand gets eaten alive even on a low-bouncing indoor HC, his ROS still has a lot of needs for improvement and overall, he just has a very difficult time getting the ball past Nadal regularly enough to actually win the match. This should've been a straight set win for Rafa had he not choked at 4-5 in the second set.

Well there's all of that, along with the fact that even at 34, Rafa is simply at least 1-2 tiers ahead of Stefanos as a player...I have no clue how he beat him in Madrid that one time. With that said, I still see the most upside with Tsits among all the actual next gen players, his game is quite fun to watch.
 
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PilotPete

Professional
Flash in the pan like the others....including Thiem! Still no evidence of Thiem having cleared the hurdle with that dismal USO win with a huge asterisk. Bigger asterisk than the Berettini open.
 

Yugram

Legend
This is a terrible match-up for Stefanos. His backhand gets eaten alive even on a low-bouncing indoor hard, his ROS still has a lot of needs for improvement and overall, he just has a very difficult time getting the ball past Nadal regularly enough to actually win the match. This should've been a straight set win for Rafa had he not choked at 4-5 in the second set.

Well there's all of that along with the fact that even at 34, Rafa is simply at least 1-2 tiers ahead of Stefanos as a player...I have no clue how he beat him in Madrid that one time. With that said, I still see the most upside with Tsits among all the actual next gen players, his game is quite fun to watch.
Ironically, I think Tsitsipas feels much more comfortable about this match up on clay, where serve-return battle is not as essential.
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
Ironically, I think Tsitsipas feels much more comfortable about this match up on clay, where serve-return battle is not as essential.
Tsitispas now would be bagelled in 2 of 3 sets v Nadal at FO. Tsitsipas has gone backwards as has Zverev. Too much hype too young and i expect the Big 3 to win all the Majors next season unless injury or Covic strikes .
Do not rate any Next Gen. The next next Gen may be where the next ATG comes from. Sinner looks the most likely.
 
Ironically, I think Tsitsipas feels much more comfortable about this match up on clay, where serve-return battle is not as essential.
Maybe Madrid clay, yes. And perhaps Rome at night. Possibly RG at night, although that remains to be seen. But in a daytime match at Rome, Monte Carlo, or Roland Garros, there's virtually nobody who'd fancy their chances against Nadal more highly than in a match with him on indoor hard courts.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Tsitispas now would be bagelled in 2 of 3 sets v Nadal at FO. Tsitsipas has gone backwards as has Zverev. Too much hype too young and i expect the Big 3 to win all the Majors next season unless injury or Covic strikes .
Do not rate any Next Gen. The next next Gen may be where the next ATG comes from. Sinner looks the most likely.
I don't think Tsitsipas has gone backwards, he just hasn't moved forward.
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
his time will come, these next gen players are not getting much help as the organizers want to see bug-3 for at least 3 more years at the top........just speed up the courts a little and you will immediately see the results........
 

NedStark

New User
Tsitispas now would be bagelled in 2 of 3 sets v Nadal at FO. Tsitsipas has gone backwards as has Zverev. Too much hype too young and i expect the Big 3 to win all the Majors next season unless injury or Covic strikes .
Do not rate any Next Gen. The next next Gen may be where the next ATG comes from. Sinner looks the most likely.
Sinner with his crap netgame is not going far on grass and other faster courts.
 
Seemed to me like Nadal is just too physically strong for Stefanos.
A 34 year old tour veteran with multiple injuries and surgeries is too strong for a 22 year old young man in his prime?
Then I must say, era of Political correctness and social media has really drowned young generation.
 

NedStark

New User
A 34 year old tour veteran with multiple injuries and surgeries is too strong for a 22 year old young man in his prime?
Then I must say, era of Political correctness and social media has really drowned young generation.
I think Nadal/Djokovic/Federer are kind of anomaly like Cristiano Ronaldo, who is still very fit at advanced age. OTOH, Murray and Wawrinka and others already declined for a while.

Social media and "PC" did not prevent TAA and Kimmich from becoming the best two RBs in football right here right now.
 
I think Nadal/Djokovic/Federer are kind of anomaly like Cristiano Ronaldo, who is still very fit at advanced age. OTOH, Murray and Wawrinka and others already declined for a while.

Social media and "PC" did not prevent TAA and Kimmich from becoming the best two RBs in football right here right now.
I don't know/care a thing about football world, so I won't comment.
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
He should play Rafa at RG, see how comfortable he feels then.
Tsitsipas would be a bigger threat to Rafa at RG than Novak at this point.

Rafa wouldn't have the same advantage of his high bouncing kick to the BH on the ad court: and once the ball is in play, Tsitsipas is as good as anyone: he could move Rafa a bit and tire him with his beautiful shots.

Rafa was very fortunate this year that both Tsitsipas and Thiem were taken out: if he's to be defeated in the next few years at RG, it will be by one of these two.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
Winning the ATP Finals means nothing.
The last 3 winners are Tsitsipas, Zverev, Dimitrov.
It just doesn't prove anything....
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
Tsitsipas would be a bigger threat to Rafa at RG than Novak at this point.

Rafa wouldn't have the same advantage of his high bouncing kick to the BH on the ad court: and once the ball is in play, Tsitsipas is as good as anyone: he could move Rafa a bit and tire him with his beautiful shots.

Rafa was very fortunate this year that both Tsitsipas and Thiem were taken out: if he's to be defeated in the next few years at RG, it will be by one of these two.
Thiem is clueless vs. Nadal at Roland Garros.
Any other clay court Thiem can beat Nadal and often has, but it'll never happen at Roland Garros.
Nadal is getting better at Roland Garros, played better in 2020 than he did in 2018/2019, while Thiem is getting worse on clay....
Thiem could win the next 3 Australian Opens, but I don't see him ever winning Roland Garros unless Nadal withdraws.
And Tsitsipas? He has seriously problems vs. Nadal on hardcourt, so he ain't winning Roland Garros.
 
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MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Tsitsipas would be a bigger threat to Rafa at RG than Novak at this point.

Rafa wouldn't have the same advantage of his high bouncing kick to the BH on the ad court: and once the ball is in play, Tsitsipas is as good as anyone: he could move Rafa a bit and tire him with his beautiful shots.

Rafa was very fortunate this year that both Tsitsipas and Thiem were taken out: if he's to be defeated in the next few years at RG, it will be by one of these two.
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
Nadal is getting better at Roland Garros, played better in 2020 than he did in 2018/2019
:-D

Most analysts had Novak a slight favorite in the final, based on their fortnight perfs.

Rafa was tremendously lucky that Sinner choked when serving for the first set and couldn't win that set point.

He also looked out of sorts in the first 3 rds.

Each passing year, his wear and tear increases while Stef and Thiem get better.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
:-D

Most analysts had Novak a slight favorite in the final, based on their fortnight perfs.

Rafa was tremendously lucky that Sinner choked when serving for the first set and couldn't win that set point.

He also looked out of sorts in the first 3 rds.

Each passing year, his wear and tear increases while Stef and Thiem get better.
I agree mostly.

Everyone here was slaughtering Nadals early RG form.

He isn't getting better every year. Not a chance.
 
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