Nadal on doping

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Nadal hasn't played since losing in the second round to Czech Lukas Rosol at Wimbledon in June.

The 26-year-old Spaniard said he'd passed six blood and urine doping tests since then. In the wake of cyclist Lance Armstrong's doping admission, Nadal said he supports strict controls to keep tennis clean.

"Above all, the sport must be clean. We must have certainty that the rival in front is as clean as I am," he said. "I don't have any problem with having controls every week to combat what has happened in other sports. Tennis continues to be a clean sport as it has been throughout its history."

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Shame on the people who make baseless allegations against the humble GOAT.
 
Throughout history? I think many players in the 70s-80s took PEDs without even knowing they were PEDs. Didn't Mcenroe use DMSO to boost his recovery time? He said it helped him, but I don't think DMSO is a banned substance.

I was kinda shocked to read that Mcenroe used DMSO. I have used in chemistry lab so many times before.
 
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They don't do any real strict testing in tennis. It's all nonsense. The ATP won't even touch it's superstars. Djokovic hasn't been tested in 6 months! :lol:
 
sureshs said:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/02/nadal-tempers-expectations-comeback-chile/46270/#.UQ2Rc6VEEpg


Nadal hasn't played since losing in the second round to Czech Lukas Rosol at Wimbledon in June.

The 26-year-old Spaniard said he'd passed six blood and urine doping tests since then. In the wake of cyclist Lance Armstrong's doping admission, Nadal said he supports strict controls to keep tennis clean.

"Above all, the sport must be clean. We must have certainty that the rival in front is as clean as I am," he said. "I don't have any problem with having controls every week to combat what has happened in other sports. Tennis continues to be a clean sport as it has been throughout its history."

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Shame on the people who make baseless allegations against the humble GOAT.
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Umm... that is strange. In the past he has been vehemently against testing.
 
Angel Heredia, a rogue from Mexico and the fitness coach of boxer Juan Manuel Marquez, told Spiegel Sport that he knows how to create 25 different PEDs which are undetectable to doping testers.

Heredia, who has a changed name, was the supplier for Marion Jones and Tim Montgomery.
 
90's Clay said:
Well Nadal has to worry about the doping.. Afterall, he gets tested more in one day then Djoker does in an entire year.
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I don't think anyone's denying that Djoker's undertested. It really is appalling and the fact that he flaunts it by telling the world is even more appalling. But it doesn't really matter either way because these guys know how to get around the testing. Just ask Lance.:twisted:
 
sureshs said:
Nadal is clean, and the GOAT (Olympics singles gold clinched that). Just deal with it.
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Huh.

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This summer, he won an Olympics singles medal which enabled him to become the current GOAT, with his many achievements overshadowing his H2H against Nadal and Nadal's Gold medal and DC records.

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His extra Slams compensate for that.

Also I feel that Nadal's injuries have become too serious and his breaks from the tour are unfair to others like Fed who compete week in and week out. Say Nadal disappears for a few months every year and then ends up beating Fed's Slam numbers - it would not be a fair comparison as Fed was entertaining crowds and bringing in money year around
 
mltaylor said:
Huh.

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This summer, he won an Olympics singles medal which enabled him to become the current GOAT, with his many achievements overshadowing his H2H against Nadal and Nadal's Gold medal and DC records.

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Originally Posted by sureshs View Post
His extra Slams compensate for that.

Also I feel that Nadal's injuries have become too serious and his breaks from the tour are unfair to others like Fed who compete week in and week out. Say Nadal disappears for a few months every year and then ends up beating Fed's Slam numbers - it would not be a fair comparison as Fed was entertaining crowds and bringing in money year around
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He's a troll. A good troll but still a troll :)
 
mariecon said:
Just because someone passes a drug test, doesn't mean he's clean. Just ask Lance Armstrong.:rolleyes:
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Yea, how ironic to use that example, like Marion Jones and her boyfriend, passed Olympic Style Drug testing. My question is when are the organizations going to start sueing the WADA or USADA for failing to find these "cheats" before instead of years after? WADA/USADA are scams, backed by the same pharms that create the PED's. Giant circle of revenue....
 
sureshs said:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/02/nadal-tempers-expectations-comeback-chile/46270/#.UQ2Rc6VEEpg


Nadal hasn't played since losing in the second round to Czech Lukas Rosol at Wimbledon in June.

The 26-year-old Spaniard said he'd passed six blood and urine doping tests since then. In the wake of cyclist Lance Armstrong's doping admission, Nadal said he supports strict controls to keep tennis clean.

"Above all, the sport must be clean. We must have certainty that the rival in front is as clean as I am," he said. "I don't have any problem with having controls every week to combat what has happened in other sports. Tennis continues to be a clean sport as it has been throughout its history."

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Shame on the people who make baseless allegations against the humble
GOAT.
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Boy...Rafa musta took a page from Murray, they used to be two of the biggest complainers about the testing eg "invasive" "made to feel a criminal" "come too early in the morning" etc etc

now all of a sudden they have no complaints
 
SLD76 said:
Boy...Rafa musta took a page from Murray, they used to be two of the biggest complainers about the testing eg "invasive" "made to feel a criminal" "come too early in the morning" etc etc

now all of a sudden they have no complaints
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Too many complaints = doper.

Fewer or no complaints = doper.
 
Sid_Vicious said:
Throughout history? I think many players in the 70s-80s took PEDs without even knowing they were PEDs. Didn't Mcenroe use DMSO to boost his recovery time? He said it helped him, but I don't think DMSO is a banned substance.

I was kinda shocked to read that Mcenroe used DMSO. I have used in chemistry lab so many times before.
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You're reading too much into it, it's just a PR statement, most pros are absolutely clueless about tennis history.

McEnroe's ex-wife said he used steroids and cocaine while he was stlll an active player and that she made him stop using steroids because he was getting too violent (I read that years ago, can't remember the article).
 
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SLD76 said:
Boy...Rafa musta took a page from Murray, they used to be two of the biggest complainers about the testing eg "invasive" "made to feel a criminal" "come too early in the morning" etc etc

now all of a sudden they have no complaints
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While that may be true it still means nothing when it comes to potential doping, the loudest player in favour of stringier doping procedures could be doped to his ears for all we know (human nature is like that).

Given the recent Lance scandal it was probably something their PR agents advised them to publicly say.
 
zagor said:
While that may be true it still means nothing when it comes to potential doping, the loudest player in favour of stringier doping procedures could be doped to his ears for all we know (human nature is like that).

Given the recent Lance scandal it was probably something their PR agents advised them to publicly say.
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I agree with both and per the italicized, I think that has alot to do with Murray and Nadal complaining less now.
 
SLD76 said:
I agree with both and per the italicized, I think that has alot to do with Murray and Nadal complaining less now.
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Yeah but my point was that the player who never publicly complained about doping procedures (not changed their tune like Nadal and Murray) is just as likely to be doping, it really isn't an indication of anything.

Now for example Nadal being angry at Agassi for mentioning in his book (ie he talked) how the ATP/ITF swept his meth use under the rug because he was such a big tennis star is a different matter, I can see some logic in viewing that suspiciously.
 
Sid_Vicious said:
Throughout history? I think many players in the 70s-80s took PEDs without even knowing they were PEDs. Didn't Mcenroe use DMSO to boost his recovery time? He said it helped him, but I don't think DMSO is a banned substance.

I was kinda shocked to read that Mcenroe used DMSO. I have used in chemistry lab so many times before.
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Good god! what have you got against DMSO ?? It was (maybe still is) applied to injured parts to aid healing ... perhaps because it warmed up the area and increased blood flow -- just like any so-called pain-relieving cream of those days.

Heck, even I used it on my injured knee at one point.
 
zagor said:
Yeah but my point was that the player who never publicly complained about doping procedures (not changed their tune like Nadal and Murray) is just as likely to be doping, it really isn't an indication of anything.

Now for example Nadal being angry at Agassi for mentioning in his book (ie he talked) how the ATP/ITF swept his meth use under the rug because he was such a big tennis star is a different matter, I can see some logic in viewing that suspiciously.
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ok...and said I agreed with that so....?????
 
namelessone said:
They didn't change their tune, they always supported testing, they just didn't want to be woken up at 6AM and forced to **** into a cup and I bet they still think that way now.

Did you see Nadal or Andy actively DODGING these tests on a regular basis or saying that there shouldn't be a system in place?

People who have their mind made up about player x being a doper won't be swayed either way(no matter what the "dopers" say or do). If Nadal/Andy/Djoko are tested 1-2 times in a couple of months(whether in or out of competition), they will scream "why so few tests? They are clearly protecting these dopers". If they get tested 10 times in 2 weeks, they will say that the dopers have stuff that is undetectable or that they guys testing are in cahoots with the players to test them in those 2 weeks that they are clean.
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+1. you need nadal and djokovic combined mental strength to be able to ignore all the rubbish that's been posted daily.
 
xan said:
+1. you need nadal and djokovic combined mental strength to be able to ignore all the rubbish that's been posted daily.
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Yes, because calling drug testers " a joke" is a ringing endorsement and clear evidence that you have no problem at all with the testing. *coff* Murray *coff*

"Drug testing regulations r beyond a joke haha amazing stuff"


Andy Murray: "These new rules are so draconian that it makes it almost impossible to live a normal life."


Rafael Nadal: "It's not fair to have persecution like that...They make you feel like a criminal."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/7885314.stm
"Nadal Attacks drug testing rules"(thanks Agassifan)

This one took the complete cake, roflmao:

World number two Rafael Nadal said this week tennis was free of doping and repeated his view that the testing procedures were too tough.

http://mg.co.za/article/2009-11-11-nadal-says-there-is-no-doping-in-tennis


Clearly, this Armstrong debacle( not to mention Puerto) has mellowed a few tongues.

So yes, when I say Murray and Nadal have done a complete 180 and stopped whining and complaining about the testing, this is what I mean. Now Murray is calling for more OOC testing and even blood testing. Now Nadal has no problem with weekly controls.

You can agree to want a clean sport all you want, but when you bytch about the testing procedures and controls then you are whining about the testing, period.

Thats like me agreeing my house is in an earthquake prone zone and needs to built to code for my and the general public safety but then complaining about needing to build it to code.



Maybe they were just big divas before?


Gilles Simon: "I think this system is demanding but necessary to ensure that everybody can be tested anytime."

Mahesh Bhupathi: "It is no fun. But to fight cheats I will do it. I am already giving my daily whereabouts to the association."
 
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I want to ask the dope hunter posters what is your end game? Say Nadal, Murray and Djoker get caught? I'm just curious because if cheating is as prevalent as you all say one of your idols will be guilty as well.

As far as the OP, I kinda agree. Innocent until proven guilty. Doesn't mean I'm naive, I just think this is the fair way to go. Rafa has always been a beast. Unlike some others that became iron men seemingly overnight. Knee problem can easily end a career. You have to be careful.
 
"As soon as Nadal confirmed his return to the tour after a long injury break, the International Tennis Federation (ITF) proceeded to test him for doping four times in two weeks, according to sources close to the player. Overall, Nadal was tested “six or seven” times ahead of his return, ITF president Francesco Ricci Bitti told dpa."
 
I hope Federer is tested the same way, because it is not natural to play 5 sets against younger players at his age.
 
sureshs said:
"As soon as Nadal confirmed his return to the tour after a long injury break, the International Tennis Federation (ITF) proceeded to test him for doping four times in two weeks, according to sources close to the player. Overall, Nadal was tested “six or seven” times ahead of his return, ITF president Francesco Ricci Bitti told dpa."
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The tennis authorities were clearly suspicious, rightfully so.
 
sureshs said:
I hope Federer is tested the same way, because it is not natural to play 5 sets against younger players at his age.
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hmm, fed requested olympic testers to keep his blood samples for up to 8 years after her retires.

wonder if rafa will say the same.
 
sureshs said:
I hope Federer is tested the same way, because it is not natural to play 5 sets against younger players at his age.
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It is natural to be nursing your knee for six months after losing to a nobody, right :) :twisted:

You've never heard of Jimmy Connors, have you ? Not to mention Rosewall. Agassi ?:)
 
SLD76 said:
hmm, fed requested olympic testers to keep his blood samples for up to 8 years after her retires.

wonder if rafa will say the same.
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Naah, Federer probably wants his blood to be stored for posterity forever (at the Smithsonian -- or Louvre no less), in case they one day have the technology to clone his cells and make a whole society of Federer clones. That would be more like him. Arrogant chap. Nadal wants no such adulation.

Fred wants a vial of his blood to be on display between The Last Supper and Mona Lisa :)
 
Seems like Nadal might be being targeted by ITF and Ricci Bitti, who has gone on the record and said he's a Federer fan.
 
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Sentinel said:
Naah, Federer probably wants his blood to be stored for posterity forever (at the Smithsonian -- or Louvre no less), in case they one day have the technology to clone his cells and make a whole society of Federer clones. That would be more like him. Arrogant chap. Nadal wants no such adulation.

Fred wants a vial of his blood to be on display between The Last Supper and Mona Lisa :)
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What is this!? Are you trying to say it isn't already there? I'll be onto the director immediately, where's that telephone number he left me....
 
Sentinel said:
Naah, Federer probably wants his blood to be stored for posterity forever (at the Smithsonian -- or Louvre no less), in case they one day have the technology to clone his cells and make a whole society of Federer clones. That would be more like him. Arrogant chap. Nadal wants no such adulation.

Fred wants a vial of his blood to be on display between The Last Supper and Mona Lisa :)
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jealous much? :lol:
 
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