Nadal on doping

oy vey said:
Murray has also been against testing, until just recently.:)
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Testing is just as invasive and time consuming for one as it is for the other. The truth is they all hate it. The rigors of schedule, practice, nutrition, sponsors, ETC are tough on all the players at the top. Admitting that another obligation is less than desirable doesn't mean they cheat, it means their human and have limited tolerance for extras.
 
nethawkwenatchee said:
Testing is just as invasive and time consuming for one as it is for the other. The truth is they all hate it. The rigors of schedule, practice, nutrition, sponsors, ETC are tough on all the players at the top. Admitting that another obligation is less than desirable doesn't mean they cheat, it means their human and have limited tolerance for extras.
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I think the issue isnt so much that they complained, but of all the top players, murray and nadal were the most vocal about the testing procedure.

its noticeable when one is calling for more testing and more blood testing and the other says they have no problem with weekly controls well..people notice.
 
sureshs said:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/02/nadal-tempers-expectations-comeback-chile/46270/#.UQ2Rc6VEEpg


Nadal hasn't played since losing in the second round to Czech Lukas Rosol at Wimbledon in June.

The 26-year-old Spaniard said he'd passed six blood and urine doping tests since then. In the wake of cyclist Lance Armstrong's doping admission, Nadal said he supports strict controls to keep tennis clean.

"Above all, the sport must be clean. We must have certainty that the rival in front is as clean as I am," he said. "I don't have any problem with having controls every week to combat what has happened in other sports. Tennis continues to be a clean sport as it has been throughout its history."

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Shame on the people who make baseless allegations against the humble GOAT.
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That's some very clever wording there, I wonder who came up with that for him to say?

Reading between the lines we get 2 very obvious meanings here.

1. "We must make sure everyone is as clean as me, no? Because I am well known for being the most clean sportsman in world history no? No testing is even needed with me, it is the others you need to worry about. They must be tested to prove they are as clean as me. No?"

2. "We must make sure everyone is as clean as me. But it doesn't mean I am clean! I could be doping to the eyebrows (maybe that's why they move so much, no? One day maybe I get eyebrow injury, no?) Everyone is as clean as me (not clean) then it's fine. No?"

Very clever PR ;)
 
Towser83 said:
That's some very clever wording there, I wonder who came up with that for him to say?

Reading between the lines we get 2 very obvious meanings here.

1. "We must make sure everyone is as clean as me, no? Because I am well known for being the most clean sportsman in world history no? No testing is even needed with me, it is the others you need to worry about. They must be tested to prove they are as clean as me. No?"

2. "We must make sure everyone is as clean as me. But it doesn't mean I am clean! I could be doping to the eyebrows (maybe that's why they move so much, no? One day maybe I get eyebrow injury, no?) Everyone is as clean as me (not clean) then it's fine. No?"

Very clever PR ;)
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Yes everyone must be as clean as him. Because if anyone was less clean then they would surely self-destruct.
 
Sentinel said:
Naah, Federer probably wants his blood to be stored for posterity forever (at the Smithsonian -- or Louvre no less), in case they one day have the technology to clone his cells and make a whole society of Federer clones. That would be more like him. Arrogant chap. Nadal wants no such adulation.

Fred wants a vial of his blood to be on display between The Last Supper and Mona Lisa :)
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I suppose they could also manufacture blood sausages with Federer's plasma. I know of a couple of individuals here who would pay good money for that.
 
zagor said:
You're reading too much into it, it's just a PR statement, most pros are absolutely clueless about tennis history.

McEnroe's ex-wife said he used steroids and cocaine while he was stlll an active player and that she made him stop using steroids because he was getting too violent (I read that years ago, can't remember the article).
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I won't be surprised if Mcenroe used those substances, but I wouldn't too much stock in his ex-wife's claims either. They had an extremely bitter break-up and both of them made highly defamatory claims about each other.
 
When will everyone realize that trying to gauge whether or not a player is doping based on his or her statements in support of anti-doping measures is sort of fruitless? I think most of them just say whatever their management or PR or whatever instructs them to say anyway.
 
GoodVibrations said:
When will everyone realize that trying to gauge whether or not a player is doping based on his or her statements in support of anti-doping measures is sort of fruitless? I think most of them just say whatever their management or PR or whatever instructs them to say anyway.
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I absolutely agree....it's just about PR.

I also find a bit odd all this mess about doping and tennis.

I have found this blog ... which is really madness!... I mean it seems a crusade!
http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.sg/
 
Well, I don't blame people for wanting more stringent testing, but I simply think that trying to discern whether or not someone is using based on his or her statements is a silly endeavor. There have been so many athletes who have sworn (in some cases in a court of law) that they are clean only to be exposed later as dopers. Additionally, as I said, I'm sure these players, especially the top ones, are coached as to what to say about this matter.
 
Sid_Vicious said:
I won't be surprised if Mcenroe used those substances, but I wouldn't too much stock in his ex-wife's claims either. They had an extremely bitter break-up and both of them made highly defamatory claims about each other.
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McEnroe admitted to using steroids although I think he said he was given them unknowingly or some kind of BS like that. It has also been written in various books and articles over the years that he used cocaine as well (along with Gerulaitas and Borg.)
 
Man, all this debate about PED is like a bunch of kids arguing about whether Santa Clause is real or not.

Every major sport has had incidents that shows at the highest level of competition it is pretty much guaranteed that athletes will use PED to gain an advantage. Which top level sport is truly clean, why should tennis be any different.

At the end of the day it is all business, the spectacle of the sport and how many viewers it attracts is the most important, not the integrity of the sport. Thus the slowing down of the surfaces, it makes for a more entertaining brand of tennis. The side affect is that tennis now is the most physically demanding it has ever been. Something has to give.

The integrity of the sport becomes important when the fan base of the sport is at jeopardy because of the potential loss of revenue. All the money comes from the fans and there is some serious money in tennis.
 
ProRadTour said:
Man, all this debate about PED is like a bunch of kids arguing about whether Santa Clause is real or not.

Every major sport has had incidents that shows at the highest level of competition it is pretty much guaranteed that athletes will use PED to gain an advantage. Which top level sport is truly clean, why should tennis be any different.

At the end of the day it is all business, the spectacle of the sport and how many viewers it attracts is the most important, not the integrity of the sport. Thus the slowing down of the surfaces, it makes for a more entertaining brand of tennis. The side affect is that tennis now is the most physically demanding it has ever been. Something has to give.

The integrity of the sport becomes important when the fan base of the sport is at jeopardy because of the potential loss of revenue. All the money comes from the fans and there is some serious money in tennis.
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Well said Sir, well said.
 
cc0509 said:
McEnroe admitted to using steroids although I think he said he was given them unknowingly or some kind of BS like that. It has also been written in various books and articles over the years that he used cocaine as well (along with Gerulaitas and Borg.)
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He didn't admit to anabolic steroids. He admitted to taking some very powerful anti-inflammatories like Prednisnone and Phenylbutazone, but who knows. Personally, I don't think anabolic steroids were Mcenroe's choice of PEDs. Physicality was never his forte.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=1708773

I don't understand why people throw a fuss over cocaine. That is one pathetic PED.
 
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Sid_Vicious said:
He didn't admit to anabolic steroids. He admitted to taking some very powerful anti-inflammatories like Prednisnone and Phenylbutazone, but who knows. Personally, I don't think anabolic steroids were Mcenroe's choice of PEDs. Physicality was never his forte.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=1708773

I don't understand why people throw a fuss over cocaine. That is one pathetic PED.
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He admitted unknowingly ingesting steroids which is like the dog ate my homework excuse and he was only pressured into saying that when his ex-wife's accusations of steroid use came out. You know if he is admitting it, it had to be actually worse than what he is admitting to.

Cocaine may be a pathetic PED but players such as McEnroe, Borg, Cash, etc have all been accused of using it as a stimulant before matches in the 80's.
 
cc0509 said:
He admitted unknowingly ingesting steroids which is like the dog ate my homework excuse and he was only pressured into saying that when his ex-wife's accusations of steroid use came out. You know if he is admitting it, it had to be actually worse than what he is admitting to.

Cocaine may be a pathetic PED but players such as McEnroe, Borg, Cash, etc have all been accused of using it as a stimulant before matches in the 80's.
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Yeah, probably. But, Mcenroe was one of the most talent-dependent players ever and if he did anabolic agents, they were useless as he had one of the most unimpressive physiques ever.
 
Sid_Vicious said:
Yeah, probably. But, Mcenroe was one of the most talent-dependent players ever and if he did anabolic agents, they were useless as he had one of the most unimpressive physiques ever.
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They did not do anything for his physique I agree, but what about his bad temper on court? Roid rage? :)
 
sureshs said:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/02/nadal-tempers-expectations-comeback-chile/46270/#.UQ2Rc6VEEpg


Nadal hasn't played since losing in the second round to Czech Lukas Rosol at Wimbledon in June.

The 26-year-old Spaniard said he'd passed six blood and urine doping tests since then. In the wake of cyclist Lance Armstrong's doping admission, Nadal said he supports strict controls to keep tennis clean.

"Above all, the sport must be clean. We must have certainty that the rival in front is as clean as I am," he said. "I don't have any problem with having controls every week to combat what has happened in other sports. Tennis continues to be a clean sport as it has been throughout its history."

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Shame on the people who make baseless allegations against the humble GOAT.
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It makes zero sense that all of the players don't get tested, randomly, but equally throughout the year. Nadal 6 times, why? Djoke none, why?

It would put to bed all of the accusations once and for all, just TEST!
 
I was under the impression a lot of the top players got a blood test at the hotel on the Saturday before the Paris Masters, so had assumed Djokovic was included, but that was around the time that he went back to Serbia to visit his dad, so that might explain how he managed to miss that one.

Personally, I agree with the fact that there should be more testing, to stop it being so easy to raise questions and for people to claim that evidence is not required before they throw accusations around.

And just because a lack of evidence doesn't prove innocence, it's still irrational to presume that a lack of evidence is enough to presume guilt. There is a difference between insisting that all players are definitely clean, and believing that it's better to wait for or at least look for (proper) evidence before presuming they are all at it. Or for a lot of fans of specific players - that other players are at it, making any victories over your favourite null and void.
 
ProRadTour said:
Man, all this debate about PED is like a bunch of kids arguing about whether Santa Clause is real or not.

Every major sport has had incidents that shows at the highest level of competition it is pretty much guaranteed that athletes will use PED to gain an advantage. Which top level sport is truly clean, why should tennis be any different.

At the end of the day it is all business, the spectacle of the sport and how many viewers it attracts is the most important, not the integrity of the sport. Thus the slowing down of the surfaces, it makes for a more entertaining brand of tennis. The side affect is that tennis now is the most physically demanding it has ever been. Something has to give.

The integrity of the sport becomes important when the fan base of the sport is at jeopardy because of the potential loss of revenue. All the money comes from the fans and there is some serious money in tennis.
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At the end of the day, it is all DIRTY business! There is some serious DIRTY money in tennis. If athletes dope, Sports companies fake their adverts, officials corrupt, surely it will not benefit everybody in the end. Look at what Armstrong did, he ruined it all for himself, for the fans and for the sports. Success built on lies and cheating and corruption will end up as disaster, sooner or later. It will also ruin your body physically, mentally, psychologically.
 
SLD76 said:
yeah, thats all I heard in my head when reading sparkle's post. lol
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That's nice for you. It is part of what I wrote, so congratulations.

And well done on admitting to only bothering with half of the debate. It saves me, or anyone else from bothering you with sensible contributions on any aspect of the subject, as we now know you aren't interested in anything that doesn't match what you want to be true. It's a very common psychological phenomenon, even if most people wouldn't have the guts or self-awareness to admit it. :D
 
All players should be tested more regularly and equally.

The fact that Djokovic hasn't been tested in such a long time makes me suspicious that no one wants to catch him doping (if he is). Especially since Nadal has had so many tests recently, yet Djokovic has had none, it seems like they don't want to target Djokovic since he is the 'new face of tennis'. The media is selling 'the age of Djokovic and Murray' like no one's business, no way do they want to to catch them.

Of course this is pure speculation. Until we get evidence that someone is doping, all this debate will be nothing more then speculation.
 
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ProRadTour said:
Man, all this debate about PED is like a bunch of kids arguing about whether Santa Clause is real or not.

Every major sport has had incidents that shows at the highest level of competition it is pretty much guaranteed that athletes will use PED to gain an advantage. Which top level sport is truly clean, why should tennis be any different.

At the end of the day it is all business, the spectacle of the sport and how many viewers it attracts is the most important, not the integrity of the sport. Thus the slowing down of the surfaces, it makes for a more entertaining brand of tennis. The side affect is that tennis now is the most physically demanding it has ever been. Something has to give.

The integrity of the sport becomes important when the fan base of the sport is at jeopardy because of the potential loss of revenue. All the money comes from the fans and there is some serious money in tennis.
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Spot on, definitely.
 
Rafa Nadal gave an interview with L'Equipe here is the translated version.

- Have you had doping controls during your arrest?

- Nine. Three and six urinary blood. For someone who is stuck at home and can not play it a lot. The last two weeks I have been tested four times, including two consecutive days.

- At the end of last season, Murray and Federer regretted the decrease in inspections in recent months, including those outside of competition. Are you on the same wavelength?

- If we decide that tomorrow I will be monitored every week, no problem. Great, life is beautiful, perfect. I want to be sure that whoever plays in front of me is as clean as me. Say that we need more controls, it's easy. You say that, everyone applauds everyone sign.

- Do not you think it would take that test results be made public?

- For me, there would be no better. That's the thing! If all checks are made public, that is the end of all this suspicion that kills the sport. I do not ask that.

- What do you think of the possible introduction of the biological passport in tennis ...

- I do not know what it is (laughs). Biological passport, Puerto trial, I do not know this world. What is happening right now in Spain with the law, I do not understand. I do not understand why Dr. Fuentes does not give names. And I do not understand that the judge has not even asked to do so. It disappointed me to the point ... What the doctor says, and that those who pay tempered. I do not understand why we never go after things. Everything must be clean. I understand that this doctor has worked with foreign athletes, but as it is Spanish, the Spanish sport that suffers any injury. Me, as an athlete, all that hurts me. Because of people like Armstrong, we all have a doubtful image.

- Do you know that there are those who believe that your seven-month absence hiding a doping sanction?

- Yes, and this kind of rumor is because the controls are not public. The ITF should play transparency. WADA same. Otherwise, it will continue and I will still listen to Christophe Rochus (*) do its stupid comments without any evidence. I find it incredible that we can write or publish such accusations without proof. Give me proof and it will be fine!

- The ITF said that blood tests are expensive and ...

- (He cutter.) You know what costs really expensive? That's the bad image that sport. It is expensive, yes.
 
- Do you know that there are those who believe that your seven-month absence hiding a doping sanction?


LOL Fedfarts from this forum have spread far and wide
 
DropShotArtist said:
LOL Lancetards, still believe he is innocent --> see Mustard for example ;)
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Sorry, but I don't believe that Armstrong is innocent. It still doesn't change the fact that the process which got him banned for life was corrupt, full of plea bargaining, and that it was Armstrong's constant refusal to play ball with the plea bargaining that the USADA threw the entire library at him.
 
estigma2001 said:
- Do you know that there are those who believe that your seven-month absence hiding a doping sanction?

- Yes, and this kind of rumor is because the controls are not public. The ITF should play transparency. WADA same. Otherwise, it will continue and I will still listen to Christophe Rochus (*) do its stupid comments without any evidence. I find it incredible that we can write or publish such accusations without proof. Give me proof and it will be fine!
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Well said by Rafael Nadal. Now, if only the people on these forums would do this before they start naming names.
 
Mustard said:
Sorry, but I don't believe that Armstrong is innocent. It still doesn't change the fact that the process which got him banned for life was corrupt, full of plea bargaining, and that it was Armstrong's constant refusal to play ball with the plea bargaining that the USADA threw the entire library at him.
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You believed he was innocent until he finally confessed to Oprah.
 
Mustard said:
Well said by Rafael Nadal. Now, if only the people on these forums would do this before they start naming names.
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Mustard this is not going to happen.

Certain posters love to name names, implicating their player's opponents with no proof.

Regardless of which players have been doping..it will come out.

With or without proof.
 
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Mustard said:
Sorry, but I don't believe that Armstrong is innocent. It still doesn't change the fact that the process which got him banned for life was corrupt, full of plea bargaining, and that it was Armstrong's constant refusal to play ball with the plea bargaining that the USADA threw the entire library at him.
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sometimes the end justifies the means.:-|
 
Today I watched Eurosport News channel where they showed Nadal press conference in Chile. The final question was about his opinion on doping. After answering that question and before he left the seat, nadal looked sweaty and he toweled his sweaty forehead. Then, when he left the seat and walked away he again toweled his sweaty forehead. Based on that body language, I think he felt a bit guilty for not being truthful. He was rather good at maintaining a poker face but the increased heartbeat and rush of blood to the head could not hide his true feeling.
 
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ruerooo said:
You do know Roger is skipping Miami this year, right?

:roll:
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yes and at 31 years of age he's earned the right to skip as many tournaments as he wants. When Nadal reaches the necessary milestones then I won't argue that he can skip whatever tournaments he wants.
 
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