Nadal saving Federer's weeks at #1 record?

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Djokovic ties Connors in fourth place on Monday at 268 weeks. He's guaranteed to be #1 through the start of October, which will see him draw ahead of Connors and also both equal and then surpass Lendl in third place. But Djokovic could lose the top spot at 271 weeks the day after Tokyo/Beijing and his #1 ranking is in severe danger for the end of the year. Nadal's way behind on 196 weeks, so him picking up the #1 ranking would come to Federer's aid. If he doesn't do so, Djokovic will be within 40 weeks of Federer and closing.

Nadal is currently 1,160 points ahead of Djokovic in the race, and he will be 1,960 points ahead if he wins the final. I think he's got a decent shot at year-end #1 even if he loses tomorrow, and is in clear pole position if he wins.
 
Djokovic is at 9865, Nadal will be at 9225 if he wins the US Open. Nadal isn't playing Tokyo/Beijing, but can become #1 at Shanghai if he plays, and if not, then Paris.

Say he gets #1 in Paris. That's 8 more weeks for Novak, putting him at 276 (34 away from Federer.)

34 weeks isn't anything to scoff at, but when Djokovic is the favorite over Nadal to end 2020 as #1 (just because he's better on hard court and grass, whereas Nadal comes out ahead on clay), 34 weeks shouldn't be too hard to get.

I think this record is all but already Novak's.
 
If you ask roger he wouldn't mind giving away weeks record but that grand slam record is way bigger than anything else in the sport.Regarding no 1 ranking, I think nadal would be almost 2000 points ahead of novak in race and say he doesn't play till wtf, still if say novak wins tokyo, shanghai and paris he would be about ahead by 500 before wtf and all this is best case for novak and I doubt he will be that good considering his level off slam tournaments these days and that shoulder issue.So I feel unless nadal shuts up the season after Us open or he loses in final tomorrow then only I see djokovic ending as no 1 otherwise nadal is odds on favourite and he would deserve it more due to consistency he has shown throughout the year.
 
I remember Federer in his prime. He was unchallengeable. Turns out it won't be Rafa or Djokovic who takes him down, but both. The Astrology of it all.

Gemini the Twins, vs Leo the Lion.
 
TripleATeam said:
Djokovic is at 9865, Nadal will be at 9225 if he wins the US Open. Nadal isn't playing Tokyo/Beijing, but can become #1 at Shanghai if he plays, and if not, then Paris.

Say he gets #1 in Paris. That's 8 more weeks for Novak, putting him at 276 (34 away from Federer.)

34 weeks isn't anything to scoff at, but when Djokovic is the favorite over Nadal to end 2020 as #1 (just because he's better on hard court and grass, whereas Nadal comes out ahead on clay), 34 weeks shouldn't be too hard to get.

I think this record is all but already Novak's.
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Mad Lad YE #1 2020-2026. Book it
 
Not an awful result for Fed. If they go 20-20 they are tied as co-GOATs with different strengths.

Hopefully Rafa can get back to number 1 and get his 5th YE, then next year nextgen can make more moves at slams.
 
Red Rick said:
Nadal might grab a few months from Djokovic. But I think he would only delay the inevitable.
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Might well do so. But the way Djokovic has performed outside majors for the last three years doesn't give me all that much confidence that he'll keep accruing weeks at #1 like candy. If Nadal takes over while Djokovic is still in the range of 271-275 weeks, that still leaves Djokovic 35-40 weeks shy of Federer. Nadal could then accrue 40-70 weeks at #1 before he became anything like a threat to Federer's record. And by that time, it really could be the case that a younger player is ready to take over.
 
If Rafa ends the year at #1, then the big 3 will all be tied for that record at 5 each over the past 16 years (Murray got it in 2016).
2020 is going to be interesting. We may also see a 20-20 slam record tie during that year.
 
There will be a lot riding on the next couple of months. Djokovic will need to defend his Shanghai title and finalist points from Paris and the WTF (will his shoulder problem be sorted by then?). If he doesn't, Nadal could easily overtake him even without playing much himself. The pressure to retain Y/E #1 is on Djokovic's 'dodgy' shoulders.
 
Mainad said:
There will be a lot riding on the next couple of months. Djokovic will need to defend his Shanghai title and finalist points from Paris and the WTF (will his shoulder problem be sorted by then?). If he doesn't, Nadal could easily overtake him even without playing much himself. The pressure to retain Y/E #1 is on Djokovic's 'dodgy' shoulders.
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Yes. I just took a look at the rankings. Because Djokovic isn't defending any points until Shanghai, he is guaranteed to be #1 for another four weeks, which takes him to 272 the week of Shanghai. (N.B. Nadal could take #1 that week if he were to play and win both a 250 next week or the week after and a 500 the week of Beijing/Tokyo, but as Nadal is not going to do that, Djokovic will be #1 the day Shanghai starts). Djokovic will, by the way, have broken the tie with Connors, and also surpassed Lendl by then and so be in third place for most weeks as #1.

Nadal might not play Shanghai. But, even if he doesn't play Shanghai, Nadal will be #1 the week after Shanghai unless Djokovic makes the Shanghai semis. Djokovic is currently 640 points ahead of Nadal but Nadal didn't play Shanghai last year and Djokovic won it, so if Djokovic lost in the quarters, then Nadal would go ahead, as Djokovic would lose 820 points.

In fact, if Nadal doesn't play Shanghai, and if Djokovic lost in the semis, they would be exactly equal on points, as Djokovic would earn 360 points and thus his total would drop by 640 points. I'm not sure who would be given the #1 spot in those circumstances.

N.B. However, Djokovic is scheduled to play Tokyo the week before Shanghai, so he will likely retain the #1 ranking a while longer after Shanghai unless Nadal plays Shanghai. However, even if Nadal doesn't play Shanghai, he still has a good chance of finishing the year as #1 if he picks up enough points in the fall season in Europe. The dilemma for Nadal must be that the points are easier to come by for him in Beijing and Shanghai outdoors than in Basel or Paris indoors; however, those Asian events are right after Nadal's wedding.
 
Mainad said:
There will be a lot riding on the next couple of months. Djokovic will need to defend his Shanghai title and finalist points from Paris and the WTF (will his shoulder problem be sorted by then?). If he doesn't, Nadal could easily overtake him even without playing much himself. The pressure to retain Y/E #1 is on Djokovic's 'dodgy' shoulders.
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Y/E #1 is not the same as the #1 ranking though.
For the Y/E #1 Nadal is now almost 2000 points ahead, but if Djokovic is healthy he can usually make that up in the remainder. But, if Nadal plays decent he should be able to hold on to his lead, in all likelihood he'll need only 500-800 points to get the Y/E #1. Defending points has no relevance to Y/E #1.

For the #1 ranking, Nadal is still about 600 points behind, but with nothing to defend. Djokovic OTOH has 2600 points to defend. Of course he could easily take 2000 points or more, but if Nadal plays even a couple of tournaments he has a good shot of overtaking Djokovic at least for a little while.
 
helterskelter said:
Yes. I just took a look at the rankings. Because Djokovic isn't defending any points until Shanghai, he is guaranteed to be #1 for another four weeks, which takes him to 272 the week of Shanghai. (N.B. Nadal could take #1 that week if he were to play and win both a 250 next week or the week after and a 500 the week of Beijing/Tokyo, but as Nadal is not going to do that, Djokovic will be #1 the day Shanghai starts). Djokovic will, by the way, have broken the tie with Connors, and also surpassed Lendl by then and so be in third place for most weeks as #1.

Nadal might not play Shanghai. But, even if he doesn't play Shanghai, Nadal will be #1 the week after Shanghai unless Djokovic makes the Shanghai semis. Djokovic is currently 640 points ahead of Nadal but Nadal didn't play Shanghai last year and Djokovic won it, so if Djokovic lost in the quarters, then Nadal would go ahead, as Djokovic would lose 820 points.

In fact, if Nadal doesn't play Shanghai, and if Djokovic lost in the semis, they would be exactly equal on points, as Djokovic would earn 360 points and thus his total would drop by 640 points. I'm not sure who would be given the #1 spot in those circumstances.

N.B. However, Djokovic is scheduled to play Tokyo the week before Shanghai, so he will likely retain the #1 ranking a while longer after Shanghai unless Nadal plays Shanghai. However, even if Nadal doesn't play Shanghai, he still has a good chance of finishing the year as #1 if he picks up enough points in the fall season in Europe. The dilemma for Nadal must be that the points are easier to come by for him in Beijing and Shanghai outdoors than in Basel or Paris indoors; however, those Asian events are right after Nadal's wedding.
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If it is a tie, I think Nadal will be No#1 since most of his points comes from Majors.
 
helterskelter said:
So the tiebreaker is the level at which the points were won?
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I think I got it wrong.

According to ATP Rulebook,

When two or more players have the same total number of points, ties shall be broken as follows:

1) the most total points from the Grand Slams, ATP Tour Masters 1000 mandatory tournaments and Nitto ATP Finals main draws, and if still tied, then,

2) the fewest events played, counting all missed Grand Slams, ATP Tour Masters 1000 tournaments they could have played (as described under A. above)
as if played, and if still tied, then,

3) the highest number of points from one single tournament, then, if needed, the second highest, and so on.
 
At this point, it remains to be seen whether Novak worries about defending his points and finishing the year as No#1 or skips the rest of the season and keeps himself healthy for AO. It all comes down to how his shoulder is feeling. If he plays, he is likely to deal with Medvedev for the rest of the season.
 
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