Incognito
Legend
A djoke stan talking about doping LMAO. Sure “gluten”.
Nadal skipped 8 slams, plus withdrew from many others (including 2016 RG after winning 2nd Round).... Do asterisk fans put an asterisk on those too?
A djoke stan talking about doping LMAO. Sure “gluten”.
Clay lover
Legend
Well I would say Nadal's absences from these tournaments are tennis-related as being able to stay healthy despite the mileage IS a sports-related talent.
Whereas the other absences you are obviously hinting at are obviously less tennis-related than any of Nadal's absences.
I am not here to prove that asterisks should exist for any absence for any reaosn. I'm just saying that equating Nadal's absences with you know who's absence won't really serve to prove your point that asterisks are ridiculous as there are inherent differences between the natures of the absences.
Whereas the other absences you are obviously hinting at are obviously less tennis-related than any of Nadal's absences.
I am not here to prove that asterisks should exist for any absence for any reaosn. I'm just saying that equating Nadal's absences with you know who's absence won't really serve to prove your point that asterisks are ridiculous as there are inherent differences between the natures of the absences.
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That's the point, asterisks have never existed in tennis, and never will.
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Autodidactic player
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To me, Novak's choice not to get vaccinated is athletically (not morally) similar to Rod Laver's decision to turn pro. Each choice resulted in the player not meeting the requirements to play and thus losing a chance to win one, or in Laver's case several, of tennis' major titles.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
I'm sorry but this is a very hateful post. Why do you deny Bull those slams played before he was born? I've said it many times and I'll say it again: Bull won every moral slam played between Roland Garros 1877 - it being unfair of them not to hold a clay-court slam in the year that they held a grass-court slam - through the end of 2021. Indeed, he seemed for most of that period to be morally unbeatable. However, there is definitely a strong argument that his morally unbeaten run finally come to an end when met with the forces of Australian liberal communist feminist authoritarianism at its finest. I think that we must concede that Novaxx is the moral champion of the Australian Open 2022, making him only the second man ever to win a moral slam.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm not a fan of asterisks, but the obvious difference is that Nadal himself chose to skip those, whereas Djokovic was kicked out of the AO by external forces2003 Roland Garros
2004 Roland Garros
2009 Wimbledon
2012 US Open
2013 Australian Open
2014 US Open
2020 US Open
2021 US Open
Forgive Me Father
Hall of Fame
You can but he definitely wasnt blocked from those tournaments...
being injured is one thing.
Not allowed is another.
being injured is one thing.
Not allowed is another.
Forgive Me Father
Hall of Fame
thats been silly and it always will be silly.
Autodidactic player
Professional
Maybe this is just semantics but Novak was "denied entry" not "kicked out" of Australia because he chose not to get a vaccine required for entry into the country, and thus the tournament. The reason Novak is not playing in the Australian Open is because of the choice(s) he made. I agree that this is not equivalent to Rafa's choice not to play injured but, in the end, both Rafa's and Novak's choices resulted in missed slams.
smh Rafa was physically unable to play. If Rafa was healthy then he could have. Djoke was physically able and found to meet all requirements for entry. He was granted entry then kicked out because he was a "talisman", not due to his vaccination status.
The Aussie state can kick out whoever they want but I cant see how any tennis fan can be happy about this. The next gen field have their chance at the lineal throne taken away and the grand slam record also gets a huge asterisk as well.
The Aussie state can kick out whoever they want but I cant see how any tennis fan can be happy about this. The next gen field have their chance at the lineal throne taken away and the grand slam record also gets a huge asterisk as well.
Spencer Gore
Legend
A ludicrous comparison for reasons that should be obvious to anyone other than pre-school children.
Autodidactic player
Professional
Tennis Australia and the Victoria State government declared that Djokovic was "found to meet all requirements for entry." They, of course, do not have the authority to determine whether an individual meets the requirements for entry into the country. In Australia, as elsewhere, the Federal Government is vested with the authority to determine entry requirements. When Djokovic's case was looked at closely, it was determined that he did not meet the entry requirements established by the Australian Federal Government. Whether you agree or disagree with this determination, Djokovic was denied entry to Australia by the Federal Government because he did not meet their "requirements for entry".
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If he remains unvaccinated he'll have to retire from tennis. Its his choice entirely.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
True, but in 08 he also won Halle without dropping a set. In 06 he lost a set every match except the first round... also very nearly lost to Rochus of all people...
Also look at the quality of opponents he went through 08 WIM - Soderling, Hewitt, Ancic, Safin...
dapchai
Legend
That thumbnail looks epic af @MichaelNadal
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Being the main favourite does not translate to a win if they're not there...
The main point is, Nadal would've been a strong contender for most of those and given his record at slams it's very likely he'd have taken one or two of them.
But of course it's all moot, I can't say for sure he would've and you can't say for sure Novak would've won AO22 had he played... so it is what it is and we might as well move on...
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Are injuries not external forces?
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Some good points, but Meddy did not win 2 Masters in a row. He got to the final of Canada where he also lost to Nadal. Regardless, he was in great form and as we've seen, he plays better during the US HC series compared to Aus...
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Spencer Gore
Legend
guanzishou
G.O.A.T.
We ought to put Obelix on each Slam where it is won by a single handed player using a 90 square inch racquet or smaller.
Autodidactic player
Professional
Can't convince morons who say Federer played his best tennis in the final. He was clutch in the breakers thats it.
Compare the serve and return stats of Federer in 2009 Vs 2008 you will get the answer.
Federer made all 4 finals of slams in 2009.
Moon Shooter
Hall of Fame
If I host a world chess championship tournament but I don't allow Magnus Carlsen to play do you think anyone will take my event seriously?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I do rate 2008 Fed higher than most Wimb champions since then anyway.
By skipping do you mean he was not in a mood to participate? There's a difference between Nadal skipping and what happened to Nole this AO. Am not defending Novak but if Nadal fans here can put an asterisk on Federer's French Open win because Soderling took out Nadal, then it is quite less preposterous to put an asterisk on this AO when the three time defending champion + 9 time winner + winner of 3 out of last 4 slams + world number 1 is not allowed to play.
In my point of view though, Novak was not a lock for AO considering how he was beaten at USO. So there goes the asterisk.
True. In my opinion it was more the Nadal in his head that he lost to rather than Nadal on the court. And he has been man enough to admit it.
Booster Gold
Rookie
I bet I could've beaten anyone in straight sets in any grand slam since 2000, and yet was prevented from playing by virtue of recieving no invitation.
Therefore, I'm going to make it rain asterisks.
Therefore, I'm going to make it rain asterisks.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
But Nadal has been the main favourite at the USO since 2010.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Nope.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Novak missing AO is like Nadal missing FO or Fed and Pete missing Wimbledon, he's the man there. Also there's a difference between government barring you from playing and the usual sport related reasons.
Obviously it won't really matter in the end, it's just gonna be a discussion topic but that's it. Whomever ends up winning the tourney won't really care, you beat who's in the draw.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Nah, the only non-FO slam Nadal was the favourite I can recall is 2008 Wimbledon and even that one I'm not completely sure.
Spencer Gore
Legend
It will always be the story of these championships. Long after people have forgotten who won.
Spencer Gore
Legend
Were you the number ranked tennis player in the world at any point during that time?
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clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa has won more USO titles since 2010 than anyone else and overall, only Federer and Sampras have one more than him.
Booster Gold
Rookie
Has anyone in the open era ever been number one without being allowed to play a slam? I was denied just like Novaxx, but I didn't have a choice, unlike him
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
Legend
There are definitely “luck” slams without question. (Whether there are asterisk is up for debate I guess) Would have Fed have won any slam in 2009 or 2017 if Nadal/Djoker wasn’t injured? No way
a lot of life is based on luck or “right place right time”
a lot of life is based on luck or “right place right time”
Spencer Gore
Legend
Participation in the major tennis tournaments is dependant on your ability as a tennis player. How many tennis competitions have you won?
zagor
Bionic Poster
I don't know man, maybe. Never seen anything like this happen in tennis honestly.
Booster Gold
Rookie
As many as I have chosen to enter
Spencer Gore
Legend
Well, if you won sufficient amounts of points at tournaments you would be invited to take part in the tennis majors-either in the main draw or through the qualifying tournament. Alternatively, if you are a young player showing great potential or an established professional returning after an absence you may qualify for a wild card.
They don't just hand out invitations to major tennis tournaments to every passing loser.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Who was the favourite for 2010 Wimbledon and US Open?
onefineday
Hall of Fame
He missed the last 2 US Opens? He could be at 22.
Robbed!
Robbed!
Adam Copeland
Hall of Fame
2003 Roland Garros - As if 17 year old Nadal would beat anyone ?
2004 Roland Garros - As if Nadal would beat Gaudio ?
2009 Wimbledon - As if Nadal would go past Roddick ? Let alone beat Federer
2012 US Open - Ok this is tricky, maybe Nadal had a shot at this ....
2013 Australian Open - As if Nadal had any chance in this ???
2014 US Open - As if Nadal had any shot at this ? LOL
2020 US Open - As if Nadal had any chance at this if Novak had not been been DQ'd ?
2021 US Open - As if Medvedev would not have spanked Nadal ??? Plus Nadal had been THRASHED by Novak at FO, as if he had any chance at the USO ? LOL
Desperate post from Nadal fans ....
2004 Roland Garros - As if Nadal would beat Gaudio ?
2009 Wimbledon - As if Nadal would go past Roddick ? Let alone beat Federer
2012 US Open - Ok this is tricky, maybe Nadal had a shot at this ....
2013 Australian Open - As if Nadal had any chance in this ???
2014 US Open - As if Nadal had any shot at this ? LOL
2020 US Open - As if Nadal had any chance at this if Novak had not been been DQ'd ?
2021 US Open - As if Medvedev would not have spanked Nadal ??? Plus Nadal had been THRASHED by Novak at FO, as if he had any chance at the USO ? LOL
Desperate post from Nadal fans ....
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Injuries are caused by some combination of poor conditioning, overuse, genetics, poor technique, etc... None of which are things I would call "external forces"
Autodidactic player
Professional
How about being stabbed by an attacher (Seles, Kvitova) or being cut by a dropped beer bottle (Williams) or broken glass table (Querrey) or slamming a door on your fingers or stepping on a seashell (Ivanisevic) or getting hit in the eye by an errant ball or tripping over the tarp (Goffin), or taking a swing at a punching bag (Kafelnikov) or tripping over your dog or slipping while dancing at a wedding (Clijsters), or falling down the stairs (Hewett) or colliding with the net post (Blake) ...
Not all injuries "are caused by some combination of poor conditioning, overuse, genetics, poor technique, etc." Many are caused by "external forces".
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