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So by that logic, you dislike Spanish too. is this correct?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwpO-nnFY9g
Nadal slams French 'campaign' to discredit Spain !
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So by that logic, you dislike Spanish too. is this correct?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwpO-nnFY9g
sdont
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Oh good point, I had almost forgotten about this.
From wikipedia:
During a training session in 2004, a Spanish TV crew filmed Spanish national team head coach Luis Aragonés trying to motivate José Antonio Reyes by making offensive and racist references to Reyes' then teammate at Arsenal, Thierry Henry. The phrase used was "Demuestra que eres mejor que ese negro de mierda", translated as "Show that you're better than that black ****". The incident caused uproar in the British media with calls for Aragonés to be sacked. However these opinions were not widely supported in Spain, with the national football federation declining to take any action, and politicians being slow to denounce the remarks.[citation needed] When Spain played England in a friendly match at the Bernabéu soon after, on 17 November 2004, the atmosphere was hostile. Whenever black England players touched the ball, a significant proportion of the Spanish crowd began to make monkey chants, in particular to Shaun Wright-Phillips and Ashley Cole. And when England sang their national anthem before kick off, Spanish fans also racially chanted against English players. Aragonés' remarks were widely blamed by the British press for inciting the incident. After an investigation into the events during the match, UEFA fined the RFEF 100,000 CHF/ 87,000 USD and warned that any future incidents would be punished more severely.[59] The incident even drew reactions from then-Prime Minister Tony Blair and Sports Minister Richard Caborn.[60], with Caborn making the claim that the behaviour of Spanish fans was twenty or thirty years behind that their British counterparts.[61] UEFA noted that possible punishments could include suspension from major international tournaments or the closure of Spain home international matches to supporters. On 7 February 2007 Aragonés won an appeal over the offence, with the misdemeanour being downgraded to "conduct which could be considered to be racist".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_association_football#Spain
Bartelby
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So what makes you think one person represents Spain, or do you just like quoting an instance of bad behaviour and allow others to fill in the dots?
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I supose the racist in question must be regarding the tennis players of Spain exclusively!
Bartelby
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i dont. However, the Poster who i adressed the question* does the same about the French.
You seem to ignore that.
Quite conveniently i must say....!!!
* not you
D
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No.
You however seem to be quite amused at the idea of battering me for being Portuguese.
Do you have any sensitivity towards Portuguese citizens?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
No, I'm just curious as to whether there is any Iberian fraternal cultural hatred built into Spanish and Portuguese relations.
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No. it's rather peacefull. Pretty much like USA vs Canada. a few jokes thrown in the air from both sides and that sums it up!
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and yet you keep on ignoring the blatant descrimination and Ethnic generalisation by your fellow Nadal fan towards french people...
i see standards. they are double!
tusharlovesrafa
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I dont want to have portugese blood on my hands..Your accusations of etinic slurry and disorientation are useless..
There is no fraternal hatred or even rivalry that I am aware of, but there has been a bit of mutual indifference considering they are next door neighbors, though this has subsided in recent years. There is infinitely more friction between Catalonia and the rest of Spain, than between Spain and Portugal. But that's what happens when you have to share a house. I understand the Norwegians and the Swedes used to argue a lot more when they were one country, which is why they split. Spaniards and Portuguese haven't had to share the same house for a long time. The Portuguese tend to be a little quieter and softer in their demeanor than the Spaniards, also much less direct, and sometimes quicker to feel slighted. But of course there are notorious exceptions, and Gorecki is by no means a typical Portuguese in any possible sense. He seems totally obsessed by Nadal and Spain. I’ve noticed that the mere mention of the word "Portuguese" arises in him instant suspicions of offensive undertones, and his posting style seems to consist mostly of short snide remarks, punctuated by some louder snarls or insults, and some bland attempts at humour. Content shines by its absence. It is very possible that in person he is a very nice, polite, insightful and sweet fellow, and that he just uses these forums as a kind of therapeutical punching bag or spittoon to prevent the buildup of unwanted humors, in which case he could be forgiven.
Dilettante
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Gorecki, as anyone using 90% of their posts to diss one player again and again for years, must have some issues.
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Benhur is the Uri Geller of modern days...
where should i send the check for your great pshychological profiling, oh allmighty Ben????
ps: i See the young Padawn Delirante is learning fast with his internet psychological profiling powers...
you guys are the best!... just the best....
where should i send the check for your great pshychological profiling, oh allmighty Ben????
ps: i See the young Padawn Delirante is learning fast with his internet psychological profiling powers...
you guys are the best!... just the best....
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Don't forget certain Nadal fans making bigoted comments about people from the Balkan peninsula.
Dilettante
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yeah, funny.
ViscaB
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Spain kind of lives with its back towards Portugal culturally. Economically less so since Spanish companies are all over Portugal. It was a good thing Portugal was saved last year else Spain was in even more trouble.
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and you think this is the reason why Spain went on a economic crisis right after us? dude... that is ignorance beyond human explanation!
ViscaB
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Perhaps learn to read. I said "even more trouble" which implies they would be in trouble regardless. But even more if Portugal would fall as Spain holds a lot of Portuguese debt...
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http://aeiou.expresso.pt/quem-sao-os-maiores-credores-da-divida-publica-portuguesa=f662512
http://downloads.expresso.pt/expressoonline/PDF/BancosDivida180711.pdf
Here : Educate yourself!!!
Now back to topic shal we?
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ViscaB
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You are really thick as hell.
I had to laugh. That's typical Gorecki. Any mention of Portugal gets him hyperventilating to the point he can barely understand what he reads. So then you explain that Spain holds a lot of Portuguese debt, and he replies, again in typical fashion:
And sends a chart showing that Spain holds indeed.... a lot of Portuguese debt! (I haven't added the numbers, but at first glance it looks like more than either France or Germany). Priceless stuff.
And in the next post he writes:
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Cesc Fabregas
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I can forgive the French because this guy is from there...
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Crisstti
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RAFA2005RG, I think what others are saying is that not all French are racist (towards Spaniards or others). Cannot you just say you dislike that a lot of French people are racist towards the Spanish or something?.
I've got to say I also thought you were serious
Cesc Fabregas
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Crazy man
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No, not every footballer would have done it. How on earth someone could even defend what Henry did is joke. Do you promote cheating in sports?
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
You don't watch football do you? Pretty much every football uses every trick in the book to gain an advantage for their team, diving, trying to get a player sent off, surrounding the referee etc.
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oh dear... another gem by Uri Geller...
lets see if i can explain it in simple words. i'll go 7th grader aproach for.
The fourth bank holding more debt as shown by the chart is Santander, a Spanish bank that holds a significant part of it's operatios in Portugal (as well as other countries too might i add), so it would not be very hard to understand that most of the PT debt held by the said bank was indeed a buy-inn from PT originated capitals coming from of private assets deposited in Santander PT. This being one of the main dificulties of the PT debt solution - the buy-inn
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tusharlovesrafa
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Only thing i know abt portugese is tht we kicked them out of the state of GOA in india during 1961 "OPERATION VIJAY"..They illegaly occupied the state of GOA for hundreds of years and exploited many innocent indians..But at last good people triumped over bad people..portugese got pwned..
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Gaab
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You guys are mad. Some talk about French hatred and racism against Spaniards. Are you conscious of the weight of your words ? This thing is taking the proportions of the 2005 Muhammad cartoons controversy. Has (spanish) sport really become the new opium of the people ? Is it so sacred that any who speak against it or its supposed excess should be vilified ?
This thing is mad, and I actually thank the French show for continuing to humor (= deprive of its gravity) the subject. Oh, and they are mocking French athletes too.
Beside, to me the heart of the matter, is the fact that the sport system has managed to shield its money interests (which is all that it's about) behind the screen of national honor. In short, the poor/average are screaming to defend a system that only thinks about money and make them believe it's about something else. Yes, that is what Marx called the opium of the people.
This thing is mad, and I actually thank the French show for continuing to humor (= deprive of its gravity) the subject. Oh, and they are mocking French athletes too.
Beside, to me the heart of the matter, is the fact that the sport system has managed to shield its money interests (which is all that it's about) behind the screen of national honor. In short, the poor/average are screaming to defend a system that only thinks about money and make them believe it's about something else. Yes, that is what Marx called the opium of the people.
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Paul Murphy
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Update on the story from AFP:
World No.2 Rafael Nadal says Spaniards have given too much publicity to a French satirical puppet show that ridiculed drugs taking by Spanish sports stars.
``They are a bit obsessed by the doping question in France,'' the 25-year-old tennis star told Antena 3 television late Monday.
But ``in Spain we have given them more publicity that we should have,'' he added.
The sketches on Canal Plus France's television show ``Les Guignols'' whipped up a storm of outrage in Spain, prompting Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo to order a formal protest to French media.
One sketch featured a puppet likeness of Nadal refuelling the tank of his car from his own bladder, a fill-up which powers up the car and leads to him being pulled over by police.
In another, a satirical advert asks people to donate blood to cycling champion Alberto Contador, who has been slapped with a two-year doping ban, and thus share in the glory of his cycling victories.
``The first sketch they did is tolerable, but to do another one afterwards is going too far. They are only puppets but they can wrongly influence many people's perception of Spanish sport,'' he said.
Nadal said Spain's sporting success -- including football wins in the Euro 2008 and the World Cup 2010; six Roland Garros wins for Nadal; and the European basketball championship in 2011 -- is down to hard work.
``The explanation is simply that a series of generations have triumphed. There is always a bit of luck in it, but effort, the winning spirit and work are vital.''
Nadal struck out at French tennis great Yannick Noah who wrote in November in French newspaper Le Monde that doping was widespread in Spain.
``If you haven't got the magic potion, it's difficult to win,'' Noah said. ``They appear to have stumbled across a whole potful of the stuff. Lucky devils.''
``That is intolerable, seeing who its coming from,'' Nadal said.
``That people who don't know sports say it is one thing, but people who are in it know how professionalised the sport is. I have already had three or four anti-doping tests this year, it is impossible to cheat.''
The French TV show aired the drug-taking satire after the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport last week handed a two-year ban to two-time Tour de France winner Contador after he tested positive for the banned substance clenbuterol.
Contador says it was due to a contaminated steak eaten during the 2010 Tour de France. He said on Tuesday that his lawyers were looking into a possible appeal.
World No.2 Rafael Nadal says Spaniards have given too much publicity to a French satirical puppet show that ridiculed drugs taking by Spanish sports stars.
``They are a bit obsessed by the doping question in France,'' the 25-year-old tennis star told Antena 3 television late Monday.
But ``in Spain we have given them more publicity that we should have,'' he added.
The sketches on Canal Plus France's television show ``Les Guignols'' whipped up a storm of outrage in Spain, prompting Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo to order a formal protest to French media.
One sketch featured a puppet likeness of Nadal refuelling the tank of his car from his own bladder, a fill-up which powers up the car and leads to him being pulled over by police.
In another, a satirical advert asks people to donate blood to cycling champion Alberto Contador, who has been slapped with a two-year doping ban, and thus share in the glory of his cycling victories.
``The first sketch they did is tolerable, but to do another one afterwards is going too far. They are only puppets but they can wrongly influence many people's perception of Spanish sport,'' he said.
Nadal said Spain's sporting success -- including football wins in the Euro 2008 and the World Cup 2010; six Roland Garros wins for Nadal; and the European basketball championship in 2011 -- is down to hard work.
``The explanation is simply that a series of generations have triumphed. There is always a bit of luck in it, but effort, the winning spirit and work are vital.''
Nadal struck out at French tennis great Yannick Noah who wrote in November in French newspaper Le Monde that doping was widespread in Spain.
``If you haven't got the magic potion, it's difficult to win,'' Noah said. ``They appear to have stumbled across a whole potful of the stuff. Lucky devils.''
``That is intolerable, seeing who its coming from,'' Nadal said.
``That people who don't know sports say it is one thing, but people who are in it know how professionalised the sport is. I have already had three or four anti-doping tests this year, it is impossible to cheat.''
The French TV show aired the drug-taking satire after the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport last week handed a two-year ban to two-time Tour de France winner Contador after he tested positive for the banned substance clenbuterol.
Contador says it was due to a contaminated steak eaten during the 2010 Tour de France. He said on Tuesday that his lawyers were looking into a possible appeal.
Exactly.
Noah (and his son) are druggies, so it is quite ironic for Noah to be spearheading this attack.
Gaab
Rookie
It's so easy to dismiss the message because of the messenger
It's so easy to dismiss the message because of the messenger
Especially when the messenger has no proof. Here let me try it:
Roger Federer won the 2012 Australian Open.
Gaab
Rookie
Given your name, I must admit I expected no dispassion on the matter :twisted:
ViscaB
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Gorecki is not very clever. He also states that some Spanish here are racist towards the French. Which is kind of hard since they are the same race:shock:.
I have a working memory, so your attempt at confusing the issue is not working.
ViscaB mentioned that if Portugal hadn’t been bailed out, the Spanish economic crisis would have been even worse than it already is.
You react in typical fashion, referring to his comment as “ignorance beyond human explanation,” whatever that may mean.
Then ViscaB patiently explained to you again what he had said:
You reply with a "Educate yourself!!!" sending a chart (which you must have not looked at carefully) that shows Spanish banks in fact holding more Portuguese public debt than the banks of any other country except Portugal itself. And then you add, again in your typical young rooster style:
When I point out that your "Educate Yourself' chart simply confirms what ViscaB was saying, you put out a few diversionary sentences, described by you as a “7th grader approach,” that do exactly nothing to dispel the claim that Spanish banks do in fact hold a lot of Portuguese debt, and that the Spanish economy is significantly tied to Portugal’s, and that therefore Portugal's economic fate would have a direct effect on the Spanish economy -- which is all that ViscaB was saying, and something that everyone, including your "7th grader," would easily understand.
All of which confirms my long held suspicion that the reason you don't participate in discussions, other than to throw in insults and snide remarks, is that you can't put a simple argument together.
I hope he accepts his 2012 Roland Garros trophy and does the speech all in Spanish! In your face froggies!
Bartelby
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Yes, I only came across that historical event just recently.
Youre lucky you didn't have to wait till the collapse of the dictatorship like a lot of countries.
Youre lucky you didn't have to wait till the collapse of the dictatorship like a lot of countries.
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all i can say about is that it is not a moment of the our History that i am proud of.
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Lie. i never said that... see post bellow
another lie... my previous post on the subject refers specifically the point in case
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