Nadal splits with Toni

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Toni seems to be hurting.. Cannot believe Rafa will undermine his uncle like this after all he has done for him.

"Until he was 17 years old, it was me who decided everything. Then Carlos Costa arrived as manager. Then his father became closer, each having his opinions.

"And the truth is that every year I had less decision-making, until the day when I will decide on nothing."
All Toni is saying is - it's a natural progression.
 

chut

Professional
It all seems pretty reasonable, Toni maybe thinks it's time for him to stop being on the tour all the time, it can feel a bit tiring to be away from home so often. He found a replacement in Moya, certainly competent and with whom Nadal will certainly feel like "family". He announces it now, so it's probably something he had in mind for a while but he still has 10 months with Nadal and Moya to make a smooth transition.

As always with Toni, the weird part is how he announces it to the world, but all in all, i think he's making the right move, for him and probably for his nephew.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
For goodness sake! Toni isn't hurting he is running Rafa's academy. They are blood family, nothing is going to pull them apart. Toni can't run the academy and go on tour at the same time.

The academy was operating in 2016 and is going to operate this year as well, when Toni is going to accompany Rafa. What changed in academy in 2018 ? It is still coaching juniors and tiny tots , correct ?
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
The academy was operating in 2016 and is going to operate this year as well, when Toni is going to accompany Rafa. What changed in academy in 2018 ? It is still coaching juniors and tiny tots , correct ?
To be honest, it doesn't matter what any of us thinks, it's their business they'll do what suits them.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
I wonder what will you do with your life once Nadal is gone. That thing going inside your head cannot be healthy.

I wonder what Rafa haters will do with their life once Rafa is gone. He is always on their mind and imaginary stories about him come one after another from them.
 

Fedeonic

Hall of Fame
It was a good decision, Tío Toni had old coaching tips to Nadal, I think he still thinks that Rafa is still in his 2005-08 version. So when Moyá arrived, I did see progress in Rafa's game, more aggressiveness in his FH, more variety on serve, going a lil more to the net. I guess Toni thinks that Charly was a good addition for the team and he now can retire and do the things he wanted.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
The academy was operating in 2016 and is going to operate this year as well, when Toni is going to accompany Rafa. What changed in academy in 2018 ? It is still coaching juniors and tiny tots , correct ?

1) Toni Nadal is the Head of Rafa's academy and he has a lot of subordinates who are coaching juniors
https://www.rafanadalacademy.com/en/web/web-rafa-nadal-academy/about-us

2) Toni's own sons are the academy's students.

3) Toni is Christian Garin's consultant (the official coach is Tomeu Salva, who has travelled with CG)
http://www.**************.org/news/...nadal-to-be-christian-garin-s-new-consultant/
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
Sounds like Toni wanted more power than he had, and didn't appreciate being just one voice in a crowd, but maybe the translation confused me.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
But you will never hear a parent say that they mean nothing for their kid.

It's Toni's joking style.

An example of Toni's joking style:
UBITENNIS, June 25, 2013: ¤¤ At the Lavazza’s stand in Wimbledon Ubaldo Scanagatta interviewed Toni Nadal, asking him for a comment about Murray choosing Amélie Mauresmo as his new coach.
“Murray choosing Mauresmo is a beautiful decision because she’s beautiful. Nadal choosing me is also a beautiful decision, because i’m beautiful too”. Words of Toni Nadal, funny as usual when it comes out of the player’s box, interviewed at the Lavazza’s stand in Wimbledon.
Toni also said to Ubaldo Scanagatta that “Murray is rich so he can afford Mauresmo? Nadal is less rich so he choose me. I’m the cheapest coach of the tour“. ¤¤ :)
http://www.ubitennis.net/blog/2014/...o-hes-rich-can-afford-nadal-less-rich-choose/

Listen to the audio at the text.
 
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Candide

Hall of Fame
I'm not a fan of Rafa's style but I do respect his tenacity and determination. I have thought for years that his training style was nuts. It may suit his mentality to slog for hours and hours at fierce intensity but it is the job of a coach to make sure that players don't wear themselves out with over training and to help them with their mental game. Playing every point like it's the last of one's life is noble in many ways but overall strategically nuts. I'm sure a wily old pro like Moya looks at this approach and just sees wasted resources and energy and isn't going to sit back and say nothing. This might be fine for a kid in his teens early 20s but for a mature player it's flat out nuts. It seems to me that in recent years Federer has made loads of changes to his game/team/equipment and mentality while Nadal, (thanks to Toni?) has just fiddled with tiny adjustments and under pressure returned to his old ways (playing 5 metres behind the base line, returning serve from beside the ball boys, aiming to grind points to death and depending on his wheels). This may be the smartest and most grown up thing Nadal has ever done. I respect him for the move and, can't believe I'm saying this, hope it pays off for him.
 
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ncgator

Rookie
Damn I guess it will only go downhill from here. If Nadal does not win RG this year the. 2017 is over.
The beginning of the end for Rafa. I think losing to Roger in the AO really hurt, making it almost impossible to match or beat his number of slams. Nadal needs to curtail is schedule and focus on winning the French. Realistically that's probably his last chance at a major, and this could be his last year, especially if he sustains any more injuries.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
The beginning of the end for Rafa. I think losing to Roger in the AO really hurt, making it almost impossible to match or beat his number of slams. Nadal needs to curtail is schedule and focus on winning the French. Realistically that's probably his last chance at a major, and this could be his last year, especially if he sustains any more injuries.

Nope. Rafa said before the AO that his level should be evaluated after Miami.
“Let me play for three months, and then we will see what I am
, no, because, you know, I can go to Australia and I can play very well, but at the same time, I can lose. You never know what's going on. But probably after Miami, [it’s going to be] a good moment to analyse a little bit what's going on and to see where I am being realistic."
http://www.ausopen.com/en_AU/news/articles/2017-01-11/rafa_fit_and_ready_to_fire_in_melbourne.html
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
In response to Toni sending Pepe Imaz to break up the Djokovic camp, Djokovic sent Moya to break up the Nadal camp.

Carlos Moya has been Rafa's good friend for a long time:
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Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
I wonder why you are soooo keen to create imaginary stories about Rafa & his team.

This is imaginary? Like Becker and Djok splitting?

Less than 2 months ago Rafa assured the world that Toni would remain by his side despite Moya's arrival. Now he is gone. Yeah, nothing to see here...
 
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Deleted member 743561

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Foundation/academy was preemptive damage control, no?
 
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I'm wondering if Nadal has been so grateful and proper all along . That he never needed coaching to begin with , but yet decided to give the person that got him into tennis his props , Uncle Toni . Doesn't appear Rafa needs to be coached .


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Elektra

Professional
The beginning of the end for Rafa. I think losing to Roger in the AO really hurt, making it almost impossible to match or beat his number of slams. Nadal needs to curtail is schedule and focus on winning the French. Realistically that's probably his last chance at a major, and this could be his last year, especially if he sustains any more injuries.

Rafa and Novak are like the only people on tour you should never second guess. They thrive on being discounted and if Rafa's healthy then he is very dangerous. Nowadays players have to take the mid season more seriously then the beginning of the season.
 

Noelan

Legend
Where OP read that they split?
Tony said he won't travel with him but will coach Nadal (not as main coach probably but still)
 

Elektra

Professional
It was about time, Rafa needs a second voice and needs to learn how to modify his style. He won the US Open 2013 by having a different coach. The grinding tennis can only go so far, he needs to learn how to mix up the pace of the shots and develop different patterns. He needs to have a champion's voice behind him to develop more killer instinct, getting Boris Becker would defintely turn the tennis world upside down.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Too late. It was always "Toni knows best".

Tennis: Will Rafael Nadal Part Ways with Toni Nadal After 2016 Australian Open Debacle?
"The strategy he has played with his whole life matters less now. It isn't easy to change style after 15 years."
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
It was about time, Rafa needs a second voice and needs to learn how to modify his style. He won the US Open 2013 by having a different coach. The grinding tennis can only go so far, he needs to learn how to mix up the pace of the shots and develop different patterns. He needs to have a champion's voice behind him to develop more killer instinct, getting Boris Becker would defintely turn the tennis world upside down.

Rafa got the3rd voice when Moya joined his team. :)
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
how much uncle Toni make as a coach of Nadal ?? I heard that RAFA gave him like $4.8 million over the course of the years
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
I can't believe all the hate for Toni. :eek: I am no fan of Rafa, but Toni is indisputably one of the greatest coaches in tennis history. In fact, for my money, he's probably the greatest coach ever in the sport. Nobody else in the history of tennis has won 14 slams with one coach. Under his tutelage, Rafa bagged 14 majors, and please don't think, "well, he would have won MORE had Toni not messed things up."

Moya is not going to "fix" Nadal's decline when he's nearly 31. What's done is done. Moya is not fixing Nadal's serve or his slowing down from his crazy speed of the past.

Nadal can definitely fix his serve and he will have to do so in order to stay at the top. Nadal was actually serving quite well at the AO using the body serve a lot. There are always improvements these all time greats can make. He almost beat Federer on quicker conditions at the AO. It was a bad loss for Nadal but it may spur him on to have a great year. You never know.
 

smoledman

G.O.A.T.
Besides which, Uncle Toni Soprano achieved his objective. He made Rafa into such a tennis machine that he made Federer cry. See - 2009 AO.
 
Guys, Toni's statement doesn't automatically infer he's disappointed or saddened by this, there is a language barrier. He could be merely stating the changes in his role as coach over the years, as he sees it.

Moya is not to "blame", if anything it was Rafa's decision to pay closer attention to the others in his team, looking for fresh input to help him. This is usually inevitable in the coaching world.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Let me say how touched I am that so many Nadal detractors are losing sleep over his coaching arrangements. Rafa's fans are OK with what Toni said, knowing full well that the academy on which Toni will concentrate belongs to Rafa so there is no rift. Toni is training his sons and he has taught Rafa everything he needs to teach him. Rafa is an experienced tennis player with the best tennis strategic brain of all time and he wants his academy to benefit from the values Toni instilled in him that made him into an all time great.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
It was about time, Rafa needs a second voice and needs to learn how to modify his style. He won the US Open 2013 by having a different coach. The grinding tennis can only go so far, he needs to learn how to mix up the pace of the shots and develop different patterns. He needs to have a champion's voice behind him to develop more killer instinct, getting Boris Becker would defintely turn the tennis world upside down.
Rafa's style changed after his injuries in 2012; he came back in 2013 playing more attacking tennis.
 

ChrisRF

Legend
Federer clearly said directly to rafas team to keep him playing as tennis needs rafa. Clearly federer and nadal at his academy obvioulsy discussed their futures. Federer hinted he may not be back in australia and i took it to mean that if he has gone nadal will carry tennis but he seems to have frmed the view nadal may call it a day.
I think Federer only meant Nadal’s future here. His statement about his own return to Australia should only illustrate that he could be injured this time next year. He also made that very clear afterwards.

But with the Nadal part you could be right that they have discussed something together at the academy and that Rafa wasn’t so sure how long his career will last.

I also think Federer is not so much interested in who will play on the tour after he retires himself, but rather he likes to have his old companions around him as long a he is active. Therefore IMO he was like "Rafa please stay, I'll be there anyway"...
 
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