Nadal still maintains his H2H advantage over Djokovic

Djokovic2011 said:
I couldn't really care less about H2Hs but I'm not gonna lie - if you'd told me after the 2013 US Open that Nole would win nine of their next ten meetings, it definitely would've alleviated my depression at the time. In fact looking back I think that final was pivotal in terms of Novak's mindset in their future encounters. It was really due to that defeat that he hired Becker in the first place and I imagine it really hurt him at the time, especially after what had happened earlier in the year at RG, so much so that it seems he's made it his mission in life to never lose to Nadal ever again on hard courts. And if he keeps playing the Spaniard like he did in the Doha final, I suspect he never will!
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You were depressed over what other people thought about a tennis player?
 
xFedal said:
I would take Noles career over Nadal right now. Novak is prime position to add 6th Australian Open title in few weeks and then he's going for the legendary 4 in a row at RG.
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At least Nadal achieved what he did in an era with actual competition.
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xFedal said:
Talking about weak era 03-07?
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Well his rival at the time was Andy Roddick? WHO? Somehow Roger was able to withstand all that was thrown at him from our #1 ranked player! His major weapon was his serve and Federer was able to blunt that attack by just chipping the ball and getting it back into play! That was all it took; even when Roddick "had him" at Wimbledon in '09 final! IIRC Roddick had 4 set points to go up 2-0 and blew it with the 2nd worst choke in Wimbledon history; the first being Todd Martin allowing Mal Washington to come back from 1-5 in the 5th set semi! ;-(
 
Fiero425 said:
Well his rival at the time was Andy Roddick? WHO? Somehow Roger was able to withstand all that was thrown at him from our #1 ranked player! His major weapon was his serve and Federer was able to blunt that attack by just chipping the ball and getting it back into play! That was all it took; even when Roddick "had him" at Wimbledon in '09 final! IIRC Roddick had 4 set points to go up 2-0 and blew it with the 2nd worst choke in Wimbledon history; the first being Todd Martin allowing Mal Washington to come back from 1-5 in the 5th set semi! ;-(
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2003-2007 Roddick >>Current Fed and Nadal.
 
Sabratha said:
Yes.

You deny it because you're a Stretch fanboy, but today is the weakest tennis has been in about 10-15 years.
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I don't deny anything. Quite simply Nadal and especially Federer are still better players now than Roddick was at his best and I'd say that even if I weren't a "Stretch fanboy".
 
Djokovic2011 said:
I don't deny anything. Quite simply Nadal and especially Federer are still better players now than Roddick was at his best and I'd say that even if I weren't a "Stretch fanboy".
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Except they aren't.

Nadal is ranked 5th in the world, Fed is 34 years old and a shadow of what he was before and you think they're better than peak Roddick? Seriously?
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xFedal said:
I would take Noles career over Nadal right now. Novak is prime position to add 6th Australian Open title in few weeks and then he's going for the legendary 4 in a row at RG.
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Sure, but you would still say Nadal has the better overall career.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
I couldn't really care less about H2Hs but I'm not gonna lie - if you'd told me after the 2013 US Open that Nole would win nine of their next ten meetings, it definitely would've alleviated my depression at the time. In fact looking back I think that final was pivotal in terms of Novak's mindset in their future encounters. It was really due to that defeat that he hired Becker in the first place and I imagine it really hurt him at the time, especially after what had happened earlier in the year at RG, so much so that it seems he's made it his mission in life to never lose to Nadal ever again on hard courts. And if he keeps playing the Spaniard like he did in the Doha final, I suspect he never will!
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What have Nadal's results been like since the 2014 Australian Open final loss to Wawrinka, aside from the 2014 French Open? A pale shadow. His 2014 clay season was a clear decline from the 2005-2013 period aside from the fact that he managed to win the French Open yet again. Nadal's 2012-2013 beatings of Djokovic in majors after losing 7 times in a row to Djokovic, have already answered who is better once and for all, as if proof were needed. That hurts, doesn't it? ;)
 
Tennis_Hands said:
Reading some of the old opinions I am imagining Madtard working overtime for the new line:

"H2H doesn't matter, but the H2H in Majors does."

:D
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If you were reading old opinions, you'd know that I was saying years ago that head-to-head in majors is important. That Nadal led in the overall head-to-head at that time just made the case even stronger still. Believe it or not but many people are actually able to resist the ephemeral moods of the moment and keep a sense of perspective.
 
Lol, Nadal has plenty of time to pull the H2H back in his favour.

Besides, 1 measly more win is nothing compared to a 4 Slam gap.

What's more Nadal's form is clearly on the upwards trajectory whereas Djokovic has nowhere to go but down - he was getting broken by Mayer and Berdych in Qatar. Nadal is due a big win in a Slam over Djokovic, and once he scores that - the floodgates are open to a whole series of Nadal victories in a row.
 
xFedal said:
I would take Noles career over Nadal right now. Novak is prime position to add 6th Australian Open title in few weeks and then he's going for the legendary 4 in a row at RG.
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I'd take Nadal's career over anyone's in this era, including Federer's. Nadal had the highest highs in tennis, the biggest surface domination in tennis and completely dominates head-to-heads against the big 4 in majors. 25-8, isn't it? There are fewer regrets with Nadal's career. Federer has had the annoying Nadal problem haunting his whole career for all his dominance, while Djokovic too has had Nadal beat him in most of their biggest matches and was clearly below Nadal and Federer before 2011.
 
I'd take Federer's, then Nadal's, then Djokovic's. But, by the time their careers end, Djokovic might be first or second.
 
Mustard said:
What have Nadal's results been like since the 2014 Australian Open final loss to Wawrinka, aside from the 2014 French Open? A pale shadow. His 2014 clay season was a clear decline from the 2005-2013 period aside from the fact that he managed to win the French Open yet again. Nadal's 2012-2013 beatings of Djokovic in majors after losing 7 times in a row to Djokovic, have already answered who is better once and for all, as if proof were needed. That hurts, doesn't it? ;)
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A win is a win at the end of the day so stop making excuses for Nadal. And we all know who the better player is nowadays and that's all I care about. :cool:
 
thomasferrett said:
Lol, Nadal has plenty of time to pull the H2H back in his favour.

Besides, 1 measly more win is nothing compared to a 4 Slam gap.

What's more Nadal's form is clearly on the upwards trajectory whereas Djokovic has nowhere to go but down - he was getting broken by Mayer and Berdych in Qatar. Nadal is due a big win in a Slam over Djokovic, and once he scores that - the floodgates are open to a whole series of Nadal victories in a row.
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Nothing will convince them if 2012 and 2013 didn't. The Djokovic fanatics were saying in 2011 and early 2012 that Nadal would never beat Djokovic again. Nadal then proves them wrong in spectacular style, not only beating Djokovic 3 consecutive years at the French Open from 2012-2014 but also beating Djokovic at the 2013 US Open. Still, merely months later there were some people claiming that Djokovic was the best player in 2013, and trying to say that it was inevitable that Djokovic would beat Nadal in the 2014 French Open final. And now here we are again, back to the situation of 4 years ago, with a dominant Djokovic who Nadal is never going to beat again apparently.
 
Nadal isn't better than Djokovic until we see how all the achievements look at end of their careers. The fact is, Djoko is closing the gap all the time and this may be the year he surpasses both Nadal and Sampras and then only fed to catch. If he wins all 4 slams and Olympics he has a case for goat status already. Novak knows this is his huge moment while he so far better than the rest currently. Whether he does it or not remains yo be seen.

Plus h2h is significant as Nole has turned the rivalry on its head with winning 9 out of 10 meetings and 24-23 up. Nadal fans say Rafa isn't the same. That is a terrible excuse. It's Like us Nole fans saying all those losses to Nadal from 2006-2010 was because he hadn't entered his prime or peak yet. Baby Nole, etc. Fact is, it is what it is.

Nadal does have the slam h2h but that is inflated by RG. Outside RG it's 3-3 and at least Novak has beaten Rafa at RG which Rafa hasn't done at AO. The reason Rafa slam h2h is inflated is because they met at RG 7 times, whereas at novaks best slam AO they met only once.
 
Mustard said:
Nothing will convince them if 2012 and 2013 didn't. The Djokovic fanatics were saying in 2011 and early 2012 that Nadal would never beat Djokovic again. Nadal then proves them wrong in spectacular style, not only beating Djokovic 3 consecutive years at the French Open from 2012-2014 but also beating Djokovic at the 2013 US Open. Still, merely months later there were some people claiming that Djokovic was the best player in 2013, and trying to say that it was inevitable that Djokovic would beat Nadal in the 2014 French Open final. And now here we are again, back to the situation of 4 years ago, with a dominant Djokovic who Nadal is never going to beat again apparently.
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For the most part, it doesn't look like it's Djoker fans who are saying Nadal won't beat him again...

I think he'll always have very good chances on clay and a decent shot on other surfaces
 
Novak already overtaken Nadal in many things already and soon he may overtake him in every achievement. The only thing Nadal will have over him is his clay and RG dominance but Nole looks likely to be ahead in every other important stat.
 
Mustard said:
I'd take Nadal's career over anyone's in this era, including Federer's. Nadal had the highest highs in tennis, the biggest surface domination in tennis and completely dominates head-to-heads against the big 4 in majors. 25-8, isn't it? There are fewer regrets with Nadal's career. Federer has had the annoying Nadal problem haunting his whole career for all his dominance, while Djokovic too has had Nadal beat him in most of their biggest matches and was clearly below Nadal and Federer before 2011.
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Largely due to RG
 
Mustard said:
I'd take Nadal's career over anyone's in this era, including Federer's. Nadal had the highest highs in tennis, the biggest surface domination in tennis and completely dominates head-to-heads against the big 4 in majors. 25-8, isn't it? There are fewer regrets with Nadal's career. Federer has had the annoying Nadal problem haunting his whole career for all his dominance, while Djokovic too has had Nadal beat him in most of their biggest matches and was clearly below Nadal and Federer before 2011.
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It's all due to RG. Especially in relation to Djoko. Take out that one tournament and Djoko is further ahead. Of course that's silly as RG is huge. The fact that Nadal has beaten Djoko 6 times at RG but now has lost the h2h shows outside RG Nole dominants Nadal. The one slam I am a bit disappointed is U.S. open as Nadal is 2-1 up but if they ever meet again Djoko will square it. Like if they meet at AO or Wimbledon Djoko most likely will win.

The fact is Nadal does reach Djoko enough in the other 3 slams like Djoko has reached Nadal 7 times at RG. Hence the h2h
 
People need to accept that Djokovic is steadily overtaking Nadal. He already gotten the better of him in #weeksat1 and has a clear gap in WTF titles. Masters titles will very likely overtake Nadal soon, slams possibly. He needs that RG win badly though to cement himself indisputably above the Spaniard, and anyway, Nadal will always remain the King of Clay. But overall the Spaniard is falling behind Djokovic rapidly, and it's not just about results. Djokovic has proven to be adept at all types of play, both aggressive and defensive, and on all types of courts. Nadal has only really excelled at defensive play, his lack of aggressive capabilities has been exposed time and time again outside of the clay courts. Thus he has never been able to dominate full seasons like Djokovic and Fed have.

Nadal was lucky to have a clear match-up advantage with his main rival Fed. His victories over the Swiss made him look better on hardcourts and grass than he actually is. Imagine if current Djokovic (who might be about on par with prime Fed in overall level) had been his main rival years ago? No slams outside RG for Nadal in that case.
 
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cc0509 said:
Get a life! :rolleyes:
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Agee! I have friends who pout for weeks after their football team loses....I call them losers and they fire back I have no passion...ummnn..I have tons of "passion" for sports, I also have PERSPECTIVE of their place/role in my LIFE!

These dudes act like they are robbed when they see their favorite player laughing and enjoying a dinner with their super model girlfriends 2 days after a loss, while they are still "depressed"..LMAO!
 
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