Nadal the best on the ATP??

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I think Susan posted earlier that he may rise to #2 in champions race after MC. Hes performances this yr have been simply awesome, including the scalps of former FO champion JCF and current FO champion Gaston Gaudio. Nadals level of play seems to have increased considerably within a short space of time and if hes current form is anything to go by, he may crack the top 5 (entry system). Of all the current players, he seems to be making the biggest improvements and strides on all surfaces. Furthermore Nadal has stated that he can serve 140 Mph in practice and that hes service improvement is one hes main priorities this yr. Personally if Nadal begins to crank up hes serve and maintains hes current form, he is going to be unstoppable.

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He'll get to #1 someday - but probably not this year, unless Fed REALLY slips or Nadal starts dominating.

He'll never be unstoppable, I don't think - he'll be one of the top players, but I don't think he'll ever reach Fed's level of dominance.
 
Pfffff..., He has a top 10 level, or perhaps a top 5 already, but forget N°1 for the moment, I know one guy who is better than him.
 
He might become the king of Clay this years, a goal that he still has to actually achieve, which is easier to say than to do, but the rest of the year he will never be the dominant player on faster surfaces, grass, american hard courts, indoor.
 
nah, not now... i dont think he stand a chance on grass against top players like hewitt or roddick or even agassi.
 
USCfan, Hewitt is actually a fast court player, not Nadal, the fact that they are both baseliners doesn't mean at all that they have the same style of play, Hewitt's worst surface is clay, while Nadal's best surface is Clay.

Here are the reasons why Nadal can't be compared to Hewitt on fast courts : Hewitt is a counterpuncher who needs and uses the speed of the ball producted by his opponant to do something with the ball and find his way to win the point, he is a way better volleyer than Nadal, and can take the ball earlier on fast courts, Nadal needs more time than Hewitt to set up his groundstrokes due to his extremely loopy swing, and his loopy ball trajectories don't help him to optimaly benefit from the speed of the courts, Nadal extreme FH grip is a weakness against low skidding bounce balls producted on fast surfaces, Nadal learnt tennis on a slow suface, while Hewitt learnt tennis on grass and hardcourts.

I would add that Hewitt won his slam during a transition era, when the great players of the past where old and slightly less good than in their prime, and when Federer the true great player of the current era, was not yet at his best level, but now to win a slam on fast courts you have to play better than Federer at the level where he is now, and you also have to be able to defeat on fast courts players like Roddick with his monster serve, who was far from his best due to his young age and lack of experience when Hewitt won his slams, but now Roddick reached his potential, other players are also very dangerous on fast courts : Joachim Johanson with his monster serve and Forehand, and Safin whith his great talent when he is decided to give his best, so it is way harder now to win a slam on fastcourts than it was 3 years ago.

That is why it is not accurate to use Hewitt's records on hardcourts to guess the chances of Nadal on Fast courts, of course Nadal as a great player and fighter and with his give it all attitude will usually go pretty far on fast courts, often in the 1/4 or 1/2 or even sometimes finals, except on grass where he could reach the second week only with the help of a very lucky draw, but on hard courts he will always find a specialist to beat him, like Sampras or becker, or Edberg, or Mac Enroe always found a red clay specialist to defeat them in the French Open.

Of course, as this thread is related to the present time, I mainly talk about this years with nadal's current game, for the future years, it all depends on how he will improve his game, and nobody knows the answer.
 
USCfan said:
Imagining Nadal with a 140 mph serve is just scary.
Depends where he places it.

If the quote by Nadal that he can crank it up to 140 is accurate, I'd be worried that he'll hurt himself trying to compete with the radar gun. I'll take a well placed 128 over a 140 right into the receiver's wheelhouse any day.

And I totally agree with spinbalz assessment of the Hewitt/Nadal comparison - or lack thereof. Two totally different approaches to the game.
 
And before to make of Nadal a favorite on fast courts slam events, let's wait that he wins the one who is played on his best surface, the French open on red clay, far to be already in his pocket yet.
 
And afterall, we don't know much about his physical ability to support a five set match, and his abilty to recover from a succession of hard 4 or 5 sets matches.
 
I agree it's too early to be proclaiming him No. 1. Geez luis, Fed just lost one match in how many million? J/K But he isn't going away.

But the negativism about Nadal is a bit overdone as well.

He's had the second best year behind Fed so far this year (yes, he's now No. 2 in the Race, and No. 15 overall), and at age 18, given today's current Tour, with Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Moya, and others, he's done well.

Unlike most of you, I've seen Rafa play 13 matches just this year, two of those being doubles, and he's got a pretty big game for someone his age. His results should show you all that. And he's not just winning matches; he's dominating many of them, against some good players. And when you add to that, what he's accomplished in Davis Cup, it's significant for someone that young.

As for going 5 matches, he pulled out a pretty good five-setter over Youzhny at the Aus Open. So he's done it before, but you are right, that's experience he still has to gain. (He also won a five-setter at the U.S. Open last year, in the first round. He should have won it in three, but it took 5.)

He's improved significantly in one year, and there's no reason he won't improve more. He's no one-trick pony. His three ATP doubles titles should tell you that, along with the fact that he and Tommy reached the semis at the US Open in doubles.

Rafa is among the best claycourters in the world right now -- all the players acknowledge that (except Monfils *lol*). The Spanish Davis Cup captains wouldn't have chosen him to play in Davis Cup over Moya and Ferrero if he wasn't.

And I agree the comparisons with Hewitt aren't necessarily good ones. Hewitt has never won a clay title, whereas Rafa has 3 at age 18. Rafa has two hardcourt finals, but faster surfaces will test him more, that's for sure. Where they compare the most is in their mental tenacity -- that I agree with.

And let's remember, that Rafa missed the whole clay season last year with a broken foot, and didn't play much of the season before because his ranking was too low, at age 16, and he was injured for RG. So he still needs the opp to prove himself there. Which is what he's aiming for now. And if he doesn't do it this year, well, there's next year when he'll be 19.
 
About winning 5 sets matches in Slams, the matter is not only to win a 5 sets match, the question is also how well a player can recover for his next matches, and how well his body can support a succession of long and hard 4 and 5 sets matches, and that is one thing about Nadal's potentiel that nobody is able to know much, not you Susan, and not even Nadal himselfs, simply because he didn't often reached the second week of a slam after a succession of tough 4 and 5 set matches.

Don't forget that his game is very demanding for his body, he spends so much energy in his movements and his groundstrokes, and his style of tennis can't support any fall of energy... Look at how exhausted he was during the 5th set of Miami's final against Federer, he was hardly able to handle his racquet during that 5th set.

But anyway I don't mean that he is not able to support a succession of 4 and 5 sets matches, I just say : "Wait and see...".
 
It does, but if he wins some of them in dominating fashion, it won't be too bad. I don't think he's expended all that much energy this week so far. :-)
 
Brad Gilbert thinks Nadal is the favorite to win Roland Garros. Here's Brad's assessment of Nadal:

"There are 12 to 14 guys that can really play well on the red stuff. But the guy that I have my money is Nadal. I remember the first time I saw him play; he was only 15, and I was blown away. He has made some major improvements to his game in the last year and has recently gained a lot of confidence. His backhand has improved greatly since the 04 U.S. Open. I think he can still get better on his serve."

"This kid is only 18 and he moves as well as Federer and might even be as fast as Hewitt. I see Nadal as a cross between Muster and Vilas. Look for him to be this year's Coria on clay. He’s also my early pick to win Roland Garros, which he missed the last two years because of injuries."
 
spinbalz said:
This week was only a week of best of 3 matches... :mrgreen:

Yes, but he doesn't have a day in between matches to recover. :D I don't think it would be much different if he played mostly 3 set matches, with a day to recover.
 
Very wrong, playing every days 2 or 3 sets matches is very different than playing only one day out of 2 but with 3 to 5 matches, if you are unlucky enough to have to play a 5 set match, then a 4 set match, then an other 5 sets match, and then perhaps an other 4 set or 5 set match it is a very different story.

I won't explain why because it would take too much time and my english skill is not good enough to let me explain this because it would involve a lot of technical vocabulary, but as a professional tennis teacher I have a university degree in physical conditioning, and can tell you from what I learnt that the effort is not even close during a slam event than during a master event, it is not that one is harder than the other, it is a matter of individual physical nature, for exemple an athlete can be very good at making efforts every days during 2 hours, but very bad at making efforts 3 to 4 hours one day out of 2, the opposite is also true, some guy are good at making very long efforts if they have one day of rest, but can suffer from shorter efforts every day, physical training can help, but it is mostly an individual body nature thing.
 
I have to echo Gilbert's comment there--I couldn't believe how good Nadal's backhand was at Miami. Not only was it stable, hit with wonderful pace, depth, and angles, but it really held up against Federer's *forehand* in cross-court rallies. He seemed like a totally different player than the one who faced Roddick at the US Open.

But does he have the physical stamina to make it through seven 3-of-5 matches at Roland Garros? Based on the Aussie and Miami this year, I just don't see him lasting the entire 2 weeks. At least not this year . . . .
 
spinbalz said:
Pfffff..., He has a top 10 level, or perhaps a top 5 already, but forget N°1 for the moment.


i agree. He will not get to #1 this year but he will defiately get to the the top 10
 
the guy is def a favourite for RG, and will be one of the top 2/3 on clay this year but I think he will have trouble trnslating this dominance to other surfaces. He showed in Miami that he can perform on hard courts, but can he do it consistenly.

As for a 140 mph serve, I'm very sceptical. If you could serve 140, why just roll it in matches? I realise he wouldn't want to serve 140 if its not finley tuned, but at least somewhere in the 120s/130s? He doesn't seem to have the biomechanics in his action for a 140 serve either IMO.
 
Is Nadal No 1 and the best in ATP?

Answer to post No1.

No. No1 is still Federer. Today's match showed that there is one more junior Gasquet even stronger than Nadal by tennis, but weaker by experience and resolution to win=character.

Now, of course Gasquet, Nadal and Fed are among 3 best.

But what I'm afraid to assert is that, u know, it is usual situation when players are young they are unstoppable, they run phenomenally. Will they reach Federer's results ? Will they preserve energy - both physical and mental, or say as Safin they will lost resolution after 1 or 2 major victories ? Who knows? We'd wait and not to hurry underrate Federer and overrate these juniors full of energy. When Fed was young he also won Sampras, but Sampras won 14 GS. Will be able Fed to repeat that record of Sampras? Will they all 3 play as long as Agassi ? Questions, questions...

I don't hurry with conclusions. But definetly it can't be accidental with Gasquet. He was Wimbledon and US champion among juniors, his play against Fed and Nadal wasn't accidental. He played phenomenally, his backhand is incredible. With Nadal there is already understanding that there is nothing accidental.

Probably tomorrow he is killing poor Coria ?
 
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