Nadal : "This court has two and half problems"

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gsharma said:
Nadal is a whiny SOB but at the same time, Tiriac is a THUG.

Those interested, should look up how Tiriac made his millions in shady deals.

If the court is slippery, I just hope no player gets injured. And if they do, they should sue Tiriac.
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Tiriac certainly has clout with the ATP. He persuaded them to let him turn Madrid from hard-court to clay and pinch Hamburg's place on the ATP Tour calendar. Now he has persuaded them to let him turn the surface blue!

He must know where the ATP skeletons are buried! :twisted:
 
bluetrain4 said:
God, yes. I'm sure his complaints might be legit. But, just shut up. It;s blue for this year at least, get over it. In the overall scheme of his tennis career and life, I can't see why he can't just let this go.
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its not like he freaking held a press conference on his own accord to tell the world his opinion. the reporter ASKED HIM for his opinion, what do you expect him to do? "No comment"?

come on, be sensible pls. these are celebrities. they are asked for their opinions. if they don't reply, they come off as standoff-ish. and remember this is his home tournament and he is scrutinized more than any other player. he can't **** off the media, can he?

i think we should be appreciative of the fact that players are willing to express their opinions... otherwise what is there to debate about on this forum? :)
 
analysis_king said:
its not like he freaking held a press conference on his own accord to tell the world his opinion. the reporter ASKED HIM for his opinion, what do you expect him to do? "No comment"?

come on, be sensible pls. these are celebrities. they are asked for their opinions. if they don't reply, they come off as standoff-ish. and remember this is his home tournament and he is scrutinized more than any other player. he can't **** off the media, can he?

i think we should be appreciative of the fact that players are willing to express their opinions... otherwise what is there to debate about on this forum? :)
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If Nadal would lose more often to Federer he would have no problems with anyone.
 
Nadal is a creature of habit ... he needs his bottles lined up perfectly, his clay being red ... whatever, it's just a freaking colour ... we are making a big deal about nothing ... Djokovic doesn't like it either ... don't play Madrid if this is a such big problem.
 
Evan77 said:
Nadal is a creature of habit ... he needs his bottles lined up perfectly, his clay being red ... whatever, it's just a freaking colour ... we are making a big deal about nothing ... Djokovic doesn't like it either ... don't play Madrid if this is a such big problem.
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Oh Nadal would never miss any of the MS on clay, he'd probably participate if the event took place during Christmas.
 
tennis_pro said:
Oh Nadal would never miss any of the MS on clay, he'd probably participate if the event took place during Christmas.
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of course he wouldn't, clay is his bread and butter ... I'm just getting tired of Nadal is complaining about everything ... oh, I would like 2 years rankings, oh this, oh that ... He is turning into a major prima donna.
 
Gorecki said:
holly moses... how is it that people still find ways to defend this disgrace of a being...?

pathetic cheating whinner...
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I have yet to figure that one out TBH. I think he has connections.
 
monfed said:
I have yet to figure that one out TBH. I think he has connections.
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lol, that made me chuckle ... (he has connections) ... where is NSK to give us the proper explanation of what's happening in Nadal's head (does he really have one :-))?
 
That this court favours the big servers....my goodness!

¿Doesn't he know that 10 years ago 2/3 of the Tour were much much faster than it is today? ¿That todays conditions heavily favours the top-4 and it is the only reason they all reach SF in almost any tournament?

Look, Nadal, this is 2003 Paris-Bercy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNCW9pICc3U&feature=related

That was not extremely fast, but it was much much much faster than anything you will see today. On that type of court, an inspired big server and big hitter (like Verker in this video shows) could beat ANYONE (on a given day), be it Federer, Djokovic, Murray or specially Nadal.

That was what happened in all the previous history of this sport, that the best players of each era could lose (and they lost in fact many times) againt very big servers and big hitters that, even though they were highly inconsistent and irregular, on a given day (being inspired) they could defeat anyone on fast conditions.

In this video Federer saves a ton of match-points against a very inspired Verker (who was never a great player, but was a dangerous player on a given day) and the match was so close because the conditions were fast (not too fast but much much faster than anything today).

Federer of course has benefited greatly too, but Nadal may have been the most beneficiary of the slow conditions everywhere in the last decade.

With the end of fast conditions several years ago, you won't see any casualties because of a great server/hitter having an inspired day. On slow conditions this "randomness" is totally eliminated and the top-4 today don't have to worry about any "big hitter/server having a great day".

So if Madrid blue clay is a bit faster and low bouncing than "normal" clay, just STFU, adapt a little and play.

I would have loved to see you (and the rest of the top-4) having to play against Karlovic or Isner or Ivanisevic....in really fast conditions in 1/3 of the Tour like it always was. Then you really could be afraid, but not now on clay, PLEASE!
 
On one hand I dont blame him for complaining cos it seems everyone is. On the other hand he's won something like 15 masters on clay and 6 slams on it, so you know, one tournament on a clay surface that doesn't favour him as much as the others (and he's still going to beat 99% of players on any type of clay you can come up with and will probably win Madrid, especially how the draw has gone) this doesn't equal a disaster..
 
Clarky21 said:
I would? Not hardly. And I did defend Nadal because he didn't say that Fed has poor footwork. I just wish that he would stop focusing so much on the circus clay and focus more on getting his tennis together so he can at least make the semi here.
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I've been gone a while, so I've missed much of the MC aftermath, you mean to say you've gone back to the "Nadal will be lucky to make the semis" line? Seriously the only guy who can trouble him before the final is Delpo if he plays really well. Nadal could play on rainbow coloured clay on mount everest and still reach the final.
 
stringertom said:
I'm trying to take a census on Humbalito's list of complaints here to determine where the "half" a problem came to be:
1. Background color
2. LED's in signs
3. Lower bounce rewarded
4. More slippery
5. Not enough smurfclay
6. Soft in spots
7. Rewards players with "not proper footwork"
8. Helps big servers

Did I leave any out? If not, and all things being equal, each of those biotches must be .312 to equal 2.5, no?

This leaves me only two options to explain Gripealito's latest rant:

1. He is already setting up his excuse for a possible SF loss to Isner or a finals loss to the Fed/Raonic survivor.
2. While watching too many reruns of epic Charlie Sheen/2.5 Men, he has replaced his Mallorcan Kool-Aid with a heavy dose of tiger's blood and gone completely bozo!
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i'm confused.
at the beginning he complained (once more) because he didn't like this blue clay... and now he complains because there isn't enough of it ? ;)
Evan77 said:
Nadal is a creature of habit ... he needs his bottles lined up perfectly, his clay being red ... whatever, it's just a freaking colour ... we are making a big deal about nothing ... Djokovic doesn't like it either ... don't play Madrid if this is a such big problem.
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and if there is just a little something which is not in absolute agreement with his obsessive habits... then he complains.
(or maybe complaining is just another habit, after all ?)
 
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I don't really care for what Nadal is saying here. However, with so many hard and grass courts being much slower than they're supposed to be, is it really that big a deal to have just one (relatively) faster clay court?

That said, I can't really blame Nadal for being a bit upset over the change to blue clay (though, I think he's making far too much noise about it). Sure, it may be just be a different color, but I've defended Federer for always wanting to stick to tradition, so it'd be hypocritical of me to knock Nadal for wanting to preserve tradition as well.
 
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primetennis said:
i agree that fed-novak is way more interesting than any of the other match-ups you mentioned..but fed in nole's half in each and every tourney barring one or two???that's just ridiculous..
why have nad-favored draws every single time???
BTW, I am a new member and I didn't have any account prior to this.
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Wait, wait.... you're saying you prefer Federer on Nadal's side of the draw? On clay?

Am I missing something?
 
I just think he's old school when it comes to this issue. I agree frankly. It's cool and avant-garde and all to have the blue clay and that's the Madrid way I guess, but it's also pretty weird.
 
90's Clay said:
Why in the hell is Nadal playing Madrid anyways? :?
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Well, for starters it's a mandatory tournament for all the top players. Plus it's his country's top tournament so I kind of think, barring injury, it's expected he will play it. Plus it's another clay Masters 1000 and he rarely passes up the chance to play in a big clay tournament especially en route to Roland Garros.
 
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Bud said:
Nadal has a valid point. It's pretty dumb changing things so radically when you have a tournament series leading up to a GS. ATP clay courts are red and should remain that way.

Madrid has become a clown show with the blue clay and the air-headed models pretending to be ball kids. Next, Tiriac will add a 3-ring circus to the 'magic box'.

Thanks goodness the ATP finally came to their senses and placed Rome right before the FO.
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Agreed. They should change the Masters Series calendar back to how it was in 2008, with Hamburg and Madrid Indoors. Shanghai has been a catastrophic failure and the Madrid clay tournament just pales in comparison to Hamburg.
 
Mustard said:
Agreed. They should change the Masters Series calendar back to how it was in 2008, with Hamburg and Madrid Indoors. Shanghai has been a catastrophic failure and the Madrid clay tournament just pales in comparison to Hamburg.
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Would never have happened in the first place without Tiriac's clout and now he's even got his way over the blue surface. Expect to see Madrid promoted to Slam status in the next couple of years, and Roland Garros downgraded to a Masters!

It seems he obviously knows where the (ATP) bodies are buried! :twisted:
 
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Andres said:
Wait, wait.... you're saying you prefer Federer on Nadal's side of the draw? On clay?

Am I missing something?
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Hey at least Federer can take a set of Nadal on clay......even though he bends over in the end. At least Nadal doesn't have to go through easily like 6-3,6-2!
 
kishnabe said:
Hey at least Federer can take a set of Nadal on clay......even though he bends over in the end. At least Nadal doesn't have to go through easily like 6-3,6-2!
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I don't get it. I don't see why he's complaining. As I see it, Fed has a better chance against Djokovic that against Nadal.
 
A bit of a random tangent; doesn't grass have the lowest bounce of the lot? From what I remember playing on it, certain balls slid through the court and just died.
 
Mainad said:
Well, for starters it's a mandatory tournament for all the top players. Plus it's his country's top tournament so I kind of think, barring injury, it's expected he will play it. Plus it's another clay Masters 1000 and he rarely passes up the chance to play in a big clay tournament especially en route to Roland Garros.
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He already has 2 clay titles under his belt this year.. Can't he claim injury or something? At this point in his career he should begin scheduling smarter and be physically prepared more for the slams. He may need it for the French this year
 
alidisperanza said:
A bit of a random tangent; doesn't grass have the lowest bounce of the lot? From what I remember playing on it, certain balls slid through the court and just died.
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That's how it is supposed to be, but Wimbledon isn't like that anymore.
 
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Mainad said:
Would never have happened in the first place without Tiriac's clout and now he's even got his way over the blue surface. Expect to see Madrid promoted to Slam status in the next couple of years, and Roland Garros downgraded to a Masters!

It seems he obviously knows where the (ATP) bodies are buried! :twisted:
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When there were some rumours a while back that Roland Garros was under threat as the French Open venue, and I was thinking Tiriac would try and abolish the French Open for a Spanish Open in Madrid.
 
analysis_king said:
i think we should be appreciative of the fact that players are willing to express their opinions... otherwise what is there to debate about on this forum? :)
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I agree. I can't stand mealy-mouthed politically correct people who say nothing in public, but moan behind the lines.

He was asked his opinion. He gave it. So did a lot of pros.


I would give my opinion, regardless of what others say. It's what makes the world go around, differences of opinion.
 
Waaaah, Waaaah! I'm getting tired of Rafa's complaints as well, and I still think that a real G.O.A.T. can adapt his/her game to any type of surface.
 
Mustard said:
Agreed. They should change the Masters Series calendar back to how it was in 2008, with Hamburg and Madrid Indoors. Shanghai has been a catastrophic failure and the Madrid clay tournament just pales in comparison to Hamburg.
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I thought hamburg was cool and unique with that crazy roof thing. I Liked it.
 
I haven't read the previous pages so forgive me if this has already been posted, but Darren Cahill said-

"uneven, holes and cracks formed when sliding. The practice courts were nearly unplayable. Also, big site with not enough courts
Beyond the blue, the state of the courts in Madrid has always been the major issue. Some have been near unplayable, others ok at best"
 
Crisstti said:
It's a serious issue the state of the courts.

:-?

Maybe Nadal shouldn't even play this tournament.
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He shouldn't,but he just doesn't have the guts to pull a Muurya to get out of playing this circus tournament. He's already lost in his own mind anyway so I really don't see the need for him to risk it by playing.
 
It will be great if Nadal doesn't play so I won't have to fast forward through his annoying matches. I would like to watch some fair non cheated matches.
 
Nadal needs to STFU and just play, the court is the same for everyone. And the visibility thing is totally absurd, the Australian Open courts are almost the same colour and I don't see people complaining that the ball is hard to see.
 
Whatever, the draw he was gifted makes up for it instantly. Of the four top opponents, one is absent and the other three are on the other half.
 
TheTruth said:
I agree. I can't stand mealy-mouthed politically correct people who say nothing in public, but moan behind the lines.

He was asked his opinion. He gave it. So did a lot of pros.


I would give my opinion, regardless of what others say. It's what makes the world go around, differences of opinion.
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WOW :shock: I have seen you bash Federer exactly being straightforward with his views on a lot of issues. I can't believe you of all people are making this statement after years of criticism of a player for the very same reason you are now defending. Do all Nadal fans talk out of both corners of mouths?
I thought you loved the fact that Nadal never said anything controversial in the press. I s'pose now that he's finally plucked up the nerve, you like it :lol:
 
mandy01 said:
WOW :shock: I have seen you bash Federer exactly being straightforward with his views on a lot of issues. I can't believe you of all people are making this statement after years of criticism of a player for the very same reason you are now defending. Do all Nadal fans talk out of both corners of mouths?
I thought you loved the fact that Nadal never said anything controversial in the press. I s'pose now that he's finally plucked up the nerve, you like it :lol:
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Don't you know? Hypocrisy is the backbone of *********ism.
 
DunlopDood said:
Nadal needs to STFU and just play, the court is the same for everyone. And the visibility thing is totally absurd, the Australian Open courts are almost the same colour and I don't see people complaining that the ball is hard to see.
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Djokovic is also claiming the visibility with the blue clay is bad. Should he STFU too? Numerous players, past and present are claiming the court is slippery and the quality of the clay is terrible. Should they all STFU as well or is it just Nadal that needs to be quiet?

fasfsfgs said:
"Top-ranked Novak Djokovic complains the surface makes it difficult to judge the ball's bounce."

"Organizers defended the decision to ditch the red dirt, saying players and TV viewers will be able to follow the ball better. The blue also happens to match the color of the tournament's main sponsor."

Source: http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/39128-blue-smurf-clay-draws-mixed-reviews-before-madrid-debut
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mandy01 said:
WOW :shock: I have seen you bash Federer exactly being straightforward with his views on a lot of issues. I can't believe you of all people are making this statement after years of criticism of a player for the very same reason you are now defending. Do all Nadal fans talk out of both corners of mouths? I thought you loved the fact that Nadal never said anything controversial in the press. I s'pose now that he's finally plucked up the nerve, you like it :lol:
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I don't care either way. This is a tennis board where most are spouting useless opinions that have no bearing on real life for the players or otherwise.

Stop taking this board so seriously.

I've seen you bash Nadal many times. Never saw the reason to address you personally though, lol, you guys are so funny with your unrequited love and fandom.

And if I said something about Federer's comments, it's usually been directed to him saying nasty things about people, not surfaces. Who the heck cares how the pros feel about surfaces, schedules, and things that affect them? In those instances they know what they're talking about.

I must fascinate you. You've been following me for years.

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Do all Federer fans go around chasing posters down? Oh, I can answer that. No, just you and a few others.
 
TheTruth said:
I don't care either way. This is a tennis board where most are spouting useless opinions that have no bearing on real life for the players or otherwise.

Stop taking this board so seriously.

I've seen you bash Nadal many times. Never saw the reason to address you personally though, lol, you guys are so funny with your unrequited love and fandom.

And if I said something about Federer's comments, it's usually been directed to him saying nasty things about people, not surfaces. Who the heck cares how the pros feel about surfaces, schedules, and things that affect them? In those instances they know what they're talking about.

I must fascinate you. You've been following me for years.

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Do all Federer fans go around chasing posters down? Oh, I can answer that. No, just you and a few others.
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A post full of non-sequitors. If you so do not care about what people on this board are saying etc. and all the things you righteously accuse me of doing, you wouldn't have been posting here in the first place.
Now , do you have a valid reply to what I said? I suspect not, which is why I get the holier-than-thou reply telling me how I should be taking this board which, in essence has nothing to do with your original post and my reply to it. Expected nonsense from your ilk.
 
mandy01 said:
WOW :shock: I have seen you bash Federer exactly being straightforward with his views on a lot of issues. I can't believe you of all people are making this statement after years of criticism of a player for the very same reason you are now defending. Do all Nadal fans talk out of both corners of mouths?
I thought you loved the fact that Nadal never said anything controversial in the press. I s'pose now that he's finally plucked up the nerve, you like it :lol:
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hey, remember you are talking to the embodiment of TheTruth ......:)
 
TheTruth said:
And if I said something about Federer's comments, it's usually been directed to him saying nasty things about people, not surfaces. Who the heck cares how the pros feel about surfaces, schedules, and things that affect them? In those instances they know what they're talking about.
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Look at your original post and then look what you're stating here. You seem to love to contradict yourself. Politcial correctness is political correctness and who are you to decide where it should be directed or what warrants criticism and what doesn't? You refuted your own stand earlier and then started back-peddling by saying you don't like some select incidents of politically incorrect statements which in essence contradicts everything you said earlier and defeats your premise. Learn to be consistent before handing out free advice to others on how they should be approaching the forum.
 
mandy01 said:
A post full of non-sequitors. If you so do not care about what people on this board are saying etc. and all the things you righteously accuse me of doing, you wouldn't have been posting here in the first place.Now , do you have a valid reply to what I said? I suspect not, which is why I get the holier-than-thou reply telling me how I should be taking this board which, in essence has nothing to do with your original post and my reply to it. Expected nonsense from your ilk.
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You wish I wouldn't post here. You've said it plenty of times. But sorry, I don't care what you think and I'll post what and when I want to. Isn't that obvious? Have you ever stopped me from posting? You don't own this board as hard as that is for you to believe.

You're the one acting holier-than-thou. Get a grip on your own nonsense.

There's only one response to such a nitpicker such as yourself (See below).

Go make a thread about Federer's children's, or Federer's hair, why dontcha? That's the kind of thing I'm used to seeing you talk about.

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You crack me up. It's worth coming on the board to see you post and getting your feathers all adither.
 
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