Nadal to chair umpire "You don't like the good tennis"

rh310

Hall of Fame
Nadal has always chafed against the time violation warning, justifying it by saying that after a grueling point each player should be able to recover their breath, towel off, etc. before starting the next point.

He defines tennis played this way as "good tennis."

I understand his thinking, but I disagree with it. Enforcing the time violation means that players have to also deal with how to overcome anaerobic shortness of breath etc. and play the point differently under those conditions. I think that makes things a lot more interesting, personally.

 

GeoffHYL

Professional
I have similar thoughts. According to Nadal's logic the player should be able to go over to his bench and get a drink as well, since that would promote "good tennis". I lost some respect for Nadal after watching that comment.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
It's a rule. There are two big clocks counting down for everyone to see because certain players were taking liberties.

I saw a comment saying he averaged 28 seconds between points on serve, so it's not like he was treated harshly. He's just used to intimidating the officials and getting away with it, which he successfully did after complaining last night. He went over again and was not penalised.

Nadal pretended in the press conference that he didn't blow up about it, despite actually placing his hand on the shoulder of a tournament official as he complained about the warning.



The biggest thing to remember is that the 25 shot clock was created as the maximum time allowed before serving the next point. Umpires show discretion for crowd noise and other things, it's the players job to watch the clock and serve on time. Most generally serve with around 15 seconds to spare and then use all the time allowed if they want a rest between points.

What Nadal does is use almost all the time every point, which really disrupts the flow of the game. That's not good tennis. Then, when it's clear when he has to serve, goes over the limit when he feels entitled and drops his bundle when an umpire dares to give him a warning. No penalty, just a warning. Just imagine if Gerry Armstrong disqualified him for touching an official last night.
 
Everyone has to follow the rules. Can't bend the rules because Nadal is a main draw. I don't care how big the big 3 are, they have to follow the rules like others. Nadal is the worst when it comes to this

Edit: Add to that he has the gumption to tell the chair umpire what is good tennis and what is not. Stop preaching Senor Nadal. He is telling the chair umps what is good for tennis. I'm pretty sure the umps know more about what is good for tennis. They are powerless when it comes to big players and Nadal knows it and exploits it to the extreme. It has been a part of his "gamesmanship" to put it politely. Someone more blunt would say he is cheating but I won't go as far as that.
 
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Keystoner

Rookie
It's a rule. There are two big clocks counting down for everyone to see because certain players were taking liberties.

I saw a comment saying he averaged 28 seconds between points on serve, so it's not like he was treated harshly. He's just used to intimidating the officials and getting away with it, which he successfully did after complaining last night. He went over again and was not penalised.

Nadal pretended in the press conference that he didn't blow up about it, despite actually placing his hand on the shoulder of a tournament official as he complained about the warning.



The biggest thing to remember is that the 25 shot clock was created as the maximum time allowed before serving the next point. Umpires show discretion for crowd noise and other things, it's the players job to watch the clock and serve on time. Most generally serve with around 15 seconds to spare and then use all the time allowed if they want a rest between points.

What Nadal does is use almost all the time every point, which really disrupts the flow of the game. That's not good tennis. Then, when it's clear when he has to serve, goes over the limit when he feels entitled and drops his bundle when an umpire dares to give him a warning. No penalty, just a warning. Just imagine if Gerry Armstrong disqualified him for touching an official last night.
I love this comment. This guy takes great joy to quote the rule when Nadal gets petulant for getting dinged on it, but that's not enough for him. Then he gets salty that Nadal uses *almost* all the time every point. So he's not breaking the rule, but he *almost* is! Look how he changed the color of 'maximum' to red and bolded the whole sentence. Too rich. Grab a tissue there, babe. Oh I love TTW.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Nadal's actually been really good thus far with the time rule since it started. But I guess when things are really tough and players are in a real predicament, they can get heated. Many others have blown up over the time rule during a difficult match. Federer cursed as well in his last match and got fined. It's just part and parcel in the life of a competitor who wants to win and is staring defeat in the face.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
So he's not breaking the rule, but he *almost* is!
When the clock expires and he hasn't served, he is breaking the rule.

It is pretty simple and he does it a lot and gets away with it because of how he behaves if the rule is ever enforced.

Whether it is this match, the 2014 AO final when Stan said "he does it every match", the 2019 against Medvedev, his 2019 Wimbledon match against Kyrgios, whatever .. he flouts the rules and explodes and claims there is something wrong with any umpire who dares to do their job.

I'll let the GOAT have the last word.

 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
Tissue. You need some.
Nup, I'm all good and can continue the discussion with facts and logic rather than just "tissue" rhetoric.

However, if this has upset you so much that you are unable, I'm happy to concede whatever point it is that you are trying to make in order for you to get past this.
 

Keystoner

Rookie
Nup, I'm all good and can continue the discussion with facts and logic rather than just "tissue" rhetoric.

However, if this has upset you so much that you are unable, I'm happy to concede whatever point it is that you are trying to make in order for you to get past this.
Are you ALMOST trolling or actually trolling?
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
Are you ALMOST trolling or actually trolling?
No tissues, no trolling (don't know if you are, but don't care either).

Just a discussion. Or at least it was until you started with all the tissue and trolling rhetoric.

I've offered to concede whatever it is that you have taken such issue with, but you keep moving to different insults rather than identifying what that is. I'll repost below, either let me know what has upset you so much, or keep going with the insults and nothing else.

When the clock expires and he hasn't served, he is breaking the rule.

It is pretty simple and he does it a lot and gets away with it because of how he behaves if the rule is ever enforced.

Whether it is this match, the 2014 AO final when Stan said "he does it every match", the 2019 against Medvedev, his 2019 Wimbledon match against Kyrgios, whatever .. he flouts the rules and explodes and claims there is something wrong with any umpire who dares to do their job.

I'll let the GOAT have the last word.


If your problem is with Federer saying much the same thing, please direct your feedback to goat@tennis.com
 

Keystoner

Rookie
No tissues, no trolling (don't know if you are, but don't care either).

Just a discussion. Or at least it was until you started with all the tissue and trolling rhetoric.

I've offered to concede whatever it is that you have taken such issue with, but you keep moving to different insults rather than identifying what that is. I'll repost below, either let me know what has upset you so much, or keep going with the insults and nothing else.

When the clock expires and he hasn't served, he is breaking the rule.

It is pretty simple and he does it a lot and gets away with it because of how he behaves if the rule is ever enforced.

Whether it is this match, the 2014 AO final when Stan said "he does it every match", the 2019 against Medvedev, his 2019 Wimbledon match against Kyrgios, whatever .. he flouts the rules and explodes and claims there is something wrong with any umpire who dares to do their job.

I'll let the GOAT have the last word.


If your problem is with Federer saying much the same thing, please direct your feedback to goat@tennis.com
Say, do you drive the speed limit or ALMOST the speed limit?
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
It's a rule. There are two big clocks counting down for everyone to see because certain players were taking liberties.

I saw a comment saying he averaged 28 seconds between points on serve, so it's not like he was treated harshly. He's just used to intimidating the officials and getting away with it, which he successfully did after complaining last night. He went over again and was not penalised.

Nadal pretended in the press conference that he didn't blow up about it, despite actually placing his hand on the shoulder of a tournament official as he complained about the warning.



The biggest thing to remember is that the 25 shot clock was created as the maximum time allowed before serving the next point. Umpires show discretion for crowd noise and other things, it's the players job to watch the clock and serve on time. Most generally serve with around 15 seconds to spare and then use all the time allowed if they want a rest between points.

What Nadal does is use almost all the time every point, which really disrupts the flow of the game. That's not good tennis. Then, when it's clear when he has to serve, goes over the limit when he feels entitled and drops his bundle when an umpire dares to give him a warning. No penalty, just a warning. Just imagine if Gerry Armstrong disqualified him for touching an official last night.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Not sure if many noticed, how Thiem was a bit annoyed at Rafa making him wait for his serve
especially in the last 2 sets. His face showing plenty of sarcasm like your ready yet? of course not!

This was also a problem for Meds in the USO final and many players complain about it but he is still
getting away with the 25 second rule by taking it to 28-30 in almost every match.

The other thing is taking his time by pausing then strutting over to pretend to look for the mark
when receiving and ace to get into the head of the server.

A BIG AWARD should go to the Umpire who unlike the men before her, put Nads in his place earlier
in the match about time abuse and made sure she was on top of his usual shenanigans throughout.

She was also very caring to his quips and the needs of both players at one stage catching a ball from
Nadals return and instantly going straight to her scoring pad, putting down the score with no ego.

She acted with class, showed admiring femininity, yet had more Cojones than all her male colleges
by exposing perhaps the games most underestimated scapegoat cheat.
 
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vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
Not sure if many noticed, how Thiem was a bit annoyed at Rafa making him wait for his serve
especially in the last 2 sets. His face showing plenty of sarcasm like your ready yet? of course not!

This was also a problem for Meds in the USO final and many players complain about it but he is still
getting away with the 25 second rule by taking it to 28-30 in almost every match.

The other thing is taking his time by pausing then strutting over to pretend to look for the mark
when receiving and ace to get into the head of the server.

A BIG AWARD should go to the Umpire who unlike the men before her, put Nads in his place earlier
in the match about time abuse and made sure she was on top of his usual shenanigans throughout.

She was also very caring to his quips and the needs of both players at one stage catching a ball from
Nadals return and instantly going straight to her scoring pad, putting down the score with no ego.

She acted with class, showed admiring femininity, yet had more Cahones than all her male colleges
by exposing perhaps the games most underestimated scapegoat cheat.
 

2ndServe

Hall of Fame
Should be like in basketball if over the 24 second clock you forfeit the ball. Player should forfeit the point once you go over the clock, it shouldn't be subjective either. It should be obvious yes or no rule. The umpires if done correctly should have just been tough about this rule from the beginning and there would be no arguments.

If it's enforced as a simple and clear yes/no rule all players are on even ground. So Rafa can't even have a complaint about it, and I like Rafa.
 

Rosstour

Hall of Fame
Nadal's actually been really good thus far with the time rule since it started. But I guess when things are really tough and players are in a real predicament, they can get heated. Many others have blown up over the time rule during a difficult match. Federer cursed as well in his last match and got fined. It's just part and parcel in the life of a competitor who wants to win and is staring defeat in the face.
Federer didn’t put his hands on anyone though.
 

r2473

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal is correct. It’s a discretionary rule. The chair decides when to call the score and start the clock. The chair can also stop the clock at their discretion.

Nadals point is that, it’s just common sense to allow more time between points after a long rally.

The chair is supposed to uphold the “spirit” of the rule. Not allowing players to take excessive time. After a long rally, the spirit of the rule would be to allow the players to recover a few more seconds.
 

canta_Brian

Semi-Pro
Nadal is correct. It’s a discretionary rule. The chair decides when to call the score and start the clock. The chair can also stop the clock at their discretion.

Nadals point is that, it’s just common sense to allow more time between points after a long rally.

The chair is supposed to uphold the “spirit” of the rule. Not allowing players to take excessive time. After a long rally, the spirit of the rule would be to allow the players to recover a few more seconds.
This is utter guff.

Nadal got the warning after a point where Theim should have put a ball away earlier in the point. That would have been “the good tennis”. It was poor tennis that lead to the longer rally. After 20 seconds Theim was in receiving stance and waiting. If he thinks he is the fitter player the rules state that should be tested.

Rafa should not get to decide that taking away the physical test from the next point is beneficial to the sport.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
The clocks are there for all to see. It's not like you don't get ample warning that it's running down.

Nadal actually uses this by stalling almost every point because he can see the clock, then complains when he takes 35 seconds and gets a warning.
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
Nadal has always chafed against the time violation warning, justifying it by saying that after a grueling point each player should be able to recover their breath, towel off, etc. before starting the next point.

He defines tennis played this way as "good tennis."

I understand his thinking, but I disagree with it. Enforcing the time violation means that players have to also deal with how to overcome anaerobic shortness of breath etc. and play the point differently under those conditions. I think that makes things a lot more interesting, personally.

Rafa is back with RF on the ATP Player’s council. He could modify the time rule in the future tournments.
 

Rogfan

Professional
That’s why I can never respect or like Nadal or call him the best no matter how many titles or slams he wins. And Sportsmanship award? This award lost all credibility when it was given to him. And the disappointing thing is, when Nadal went up to the umpire and accused her of not liking ‘good tennis’, Jim Courier who was commentating, said Nadal was right. I usually quite like Courier’s commentating but I don’t think what was wrong with him last night.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
That’s why I can never respect or like Nadal or call him the best no matter how many titles or slams he wins. And Sportsmanship award? This award lost all credibility when it was given to him. And the disappointing thing is, when Nadal went up to the umpire and accused her of not liking ‘good tennis’, Jim Courier who was commentating, said Nadal was right. I usually quite like Courier’s commentating but I don’t think what was wrong with him last night.
Courier is a bigger Nadal devotee than anyone on here. There's nothing that Nadal could do that Courier wouldn't find a way to justify, probably because Courier was like an even more boring prototype version of Nadal in his playing days. Agree that his on court interviews can be good, but his match commentary generally shows his bias.
 

ckup

New User
both players put on BIG effort on that moment. it is quite stupid and againts every good manner to start shot clock right after the point. some umpires does not do this at all. they give players one or two to chill depending on the situation. when they have two opposite uses of the clock, of course players get confused. damn.

this explains my point well:

 
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tonylg

Hall of Fame
She didn't start the clock straight away. Regardless of when it started, you've got 25 seconds notice that it is counting down.
 

acintya

Legend
as much I like Nadal I would if I could steal all his towels in the night.

this is the most annoying thing in tennis and they should invent an rule: 1 towel use per game only.
 
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Deleted member 763691

Guest
Nadal has always chafed against the time violation warning, justifying it by saying that after a grueling point each player should be able to recover their breath, towel off, etc. before starting the next point.

He defines tennis played this way as "good tennis."

I understand his thinking, but I disagree with it. Enforcing the time violation means that players have to also deal with how to overcome anaerobic shortness of breath etc. and play the point differently under those conditions. I think that makes things a lot more interesting, personally.

Most umpires don't agree with you :)
One long rally sure, but not 2 long rallies in a row....
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
These guys are professional athletes and 25 seconds is a long time and they get 25 seconds after EVERY point. Who cares if one point or even two points in a row are long and rally filled? Then it rewards the player who adapts to that better either through fitness or ending the rally sooner but even so a player of Nadal's calibre should be able to handle it.
 

Colin

Professional
“You don’t like the good tennis”

“You don’t like the good tennis,” said the Nadal to the ump.
“How are we supposed to have a six-hour match in this dump?
You don’t like the good tennis, so no more of my matches for you.
Say hello to Carlos Bernardes. He hates the good tennis, too.
Did Nick Kyrgios get you to do this? He’s a public menace.
And he’s just like you. He don’t like the good tennis!”

And then the umpire, determined, delivers her call:
“Point penalty, Mr. Nadal.”

“You don’t like the good tennis,” said the Nadal to the ump.
“Why don’t you say, ‘How high, Rafa?’ when I ask you to jump?
Why do you hate the good tennis and want me to lose?
Do you want poor Dominic’s mother to get more tattoos?
Did Novak promise you a trip to Paris? Or London? Or Venice?
He won too fast last year. He don’t like the good tennis!”

And then the umpire, unflinching, delivers another call:
“Game penalty, Mr. Nadal.”

“You don’t like the good tennis,” said the Nadal to the ump.
“We’re running all over the court while you sit on your rump.
Your disrespect for the 40-shot rallies — it should be a crime.
You probably watch Isner-Raonic matches in your free time.
Did Roger pay you? He's mad after match with the bad Tennys.
And he serves way too fast. He don’t like the good tennis!”

And then the umpire, nerves of steel, delivers her final call:
“Default, Mr. Nadal.”
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
“You don’t like the good tennis”

“You don’t like the good tennis,” said the Nadal to the ump.
“How are we supposed to have a six-hour match in this dump?
You don’t like the good tennis, so no more of my matches for you.
Say hello to Carlos Bernardes. He hates the good tennis, too.
Did Nick Kyrgios get you to do this? He’s a public menace.
And he’s just like you. He don’t like the good tennis!”

And then the umpire, determined, delivers her call:
“Point penalty, Mr. Nadal.”

“You don’t like the good tennis,” said the Nadal to the ump.
“Why don’t you say, ‘How high, Rafa?’ when I ask you to jump?
Why do you hate the good tennis and want me to lose?
Do you want poor Dominic’s mother to get more tattoos?
Did Novak promise you a trip to Paris? Or London? Or Venice?
He won too fast last year. He don’t like the good tennis!”

And then the umpire, unflinching, delivers another call:
“Game penalty, Mr. Nadal.”

“You don’t like the good tennis,” said the Nadal to the ump.
“We’re running all over the court while you sit on your rump.
Your disrespect for the 40-shot rallies — it should be a crime.
You probably watch Isner-Raonic matches in your free time.
Did Roger pay you? He's mad after match with the bad Tennys.
And he serves way too fast. He don’t like the good tennis!”

And then the umpire, nerves of steel, delivers her final call:
“Default, Mr. Nadal.”
That is too good to just be posted here.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
I have similar thoughts. According to Nadal's logic the player should be able to go over to his bench and get a drink as well, since that would promote "good tennis". I lost some respect for Nadal after watching that comment.
Some 11 or 12 yrs late. Still, its never "too" late.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
@Colin 's excellent post inspired me to write some prose.

It's not up to his standard, but can be sung to the music of 10CC.


Dreadlock S & V

I was playin' with Domi Thiem
Concentratin' on the big fight
I heard a soft voice to the side of me
And I looked round in a state of fright
I saw four linesmen, one umpire
A blonde lady from France
She warned of my time wasting habit
She gave me no chance

I say
Don't like the good tennis, no?
I love it
Don't like the good tennis, no?
I love it
Don't you warn me again
You got to show some respect
Don't you warn me again
'Cause you ain't heard me out yet

Well she looked down at my balding mane
She said I'll give you another
I said You've got to be jokin' Maam
I've run from one side to the other
I said I've dealt with your type before
His name was Carlos Bernardes
Now you'll be sorry you crossed me
You'd better understand that you're alone
A long way from home

And I say
Don't like the good tennis, no?
I love it
Don't like the good tennis, no?
I love it
Don't you cramp me style
Let me scratch my bum itch
Don't you warn me again
'Cause you ain't heard me out yet

I hurried back to the supervisor
Cryin' harder and harder
I heard his Swiss voice beside me say
Get your hand off my shoulder
He said you've got it, you earned it
You're nothing but a pest
And if you try me I'll default you
And watch some dreadlock S & V

And I say
I'm not like Dustin Brown, oh no
I'm a grinder
I'm not like Dustin Brown, oh no
He's not good tennis, yeah
Don't you warn me again
You got to show some respect
Don't you warn me again
'Cause you ain't heard me out yet

Don't like the good tennis, no?
I love it (Dreadlock S & V)
I don't like this umpire, oh no
I love her (Dreadlock S & V)
I don't like Australia, oh no
I love clay (Dreadlock holiday)

 

goldenboot

New User
I love Rafa but he was taking forever in between serves. Sure, he was sweating like crazy but the rules exist for everyone

Throw in the fact your opponent is causing problems, and silly comments are made
 
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