Nadal to retire next year?

wayne50

New User
Let's face it, he's clearly finished. Everyone knows how to play him
now - just play aggressive on both returns and groundstrokes, and he
gets rushed enough to start making errors and has no response. The
problem for Nadal is that he has no more options left in which he could
use to improve his game - he's simply gone as far as he can in tennis.
He won't have any more success on HC - that's certain. Nadal will get
battered in the early rounds at the AO in January. Next year everyone
will have worked out how to beat him on clay, including Fed. Fed will
cruise to the FO title in 07 without dropping a set. Nadal shouldn't
even bother playing on grass next year - his run to the Wimbledon final
was so lucky, just a case of the stars alligning for him. Soon
Davydenko will overtake Nadal as the world No.2, so what would be the
point in Nadal continuing to play tennis after 2007? He cannot go any
further in the game - only DOWN. I wonder which other sports Nadal
could take up in which he could be more successful? He's still young,
so I think he can become big in another sport. How about soccer?
 

bouncy

New User
Both two comments are over optimistic and pessimistic. I expect him to drop down in ranks, but def within top 15. In his gloomy days, he might improve, depends on his character and how he changes his game.
 
You Wayne are only interested in Schock value in what you are saying, just because this one match, Blake has beaten nadal last 3 times, RAFA's game does not match up really well. IN ATP tour, even for the BEST players, there is ONE guy they have problems with, For Fed--it used to be Nalbandian, For RAFA now it is blake and maybe birdie but he will figure them out soon and dominate again, Don't worry about RAFA, He will WIN NEXT 2 MATCHES AND GET INTO SEMIS AND DESTROY FED IN THE FINALS...
 

wayne50

New User
Nadal should withdraw from his next two matches. He clearly has no chance. Dayydenko will **** on him 6-2 6-2 andRobredo will beat him on a final set tiebreak. Nadal should go home now before this gets ugly.
 

WayneCM

Semi-Pro
You Wayne are only interested in Schock value in what you are saying, just because this one match, Blake has beaten nadal last 3 times, RAFA's game does not match up really well. IN ATP tour, even for the BEST players, there is ONE guy they have problems with, For Fed--it used to be Nalbandian, For RAFA now it is blake and maybe birdie but he will figure them out soon and dominate again, Don't worry about RAFA, He will WIN NEXT 2 MATCHES AND GET INTO SEMIS AND DESTROY FED IN THE FINALS...
rafa's best friend u wanna stay on the board... Stay off the drugs...
 

WayneCM

Semi-Pro
RAFA will win next 2 matches fairly easily, don't worry. And RAFA will figure out Blake very ssoon, maybe as soone as next OZ open..

hahahahahahahaha!!!! Thats good, u have a sense of humour, robredo he should beat, but he has 2 face the russian machine.... I think davydenko takes the ball early enough and is consistant enough 2 trouble ur boy... U assume nadal will get anywhere in the aussie open... There are guys like gonzo, roddick, blake and berdych 2 name but a few who have the power 2 boss nadal, ur boy has sum work 2 do...
 

wayne50

New User
RAFA will win next 2 matches fairly easily, don't worry. And RAFA will figure out Blake very ssoon, maybe as soone as next OZ open..

Yeah right. Nadal will be having an early exit at the AO next year. Nadal can't do anything on HC - he's never been past the 4R of the AO before, and he's playing like crap.

Face it: he's done. Next year he'll be figured out on clay too, and will end up dropping out of the top 20. Fed will win the FO very easily next year, and if he plays Rafa he will beat him 6-2 6-1 6-0.

Mark my words.........
 

wayne50

New User
hahahahahahahaha!!!! Thats good, u have a sense of humour, robredo he should beat, but he has 2 face the russian machine.... I think davydenko takes the ball early enough and is consistant enough 2 trouble ur boy... U assume nadal will get anywhere in the aussie open... There are guys like gonzo, roddick, blake and berdych 2 name but a few who have the power 2 boss nadal, ur boy has sum work 2 do...

Yes, I wonder how long it will be to Nadal drops out of the top 20? I say the end of 2007 at the absolute latest...........
 

wayne50

New User
I would have to semi-agree on this one. I think he could drop out of the top five this year.

The happy days are over for Nadal, it's all doom and gloom from now on. It's sad for him, but he's had a good career - he won 2 slams and been as high as 2
in the world. Heck, I'd take that, so there's no shame in Nadal being
finished at such a young age, he's had a career that most would kill
for...................
 

krprunitennis2

Professional
Let's face it, he's clearly finished. Everyone knows how to play him
now - just play aggressive on both returns and groundstrokes, and he
gets rushed enough to start making errors and has no response. The
problem for Nadal is that he has no more options left in which he could
use to improve his game - he's simply gone as far as he can in tennis.
He won't have any more success on HC - that's certain. Nadal will get
battered in the early rounds at the AO in January. Next year everyone
will have worked out how to beat him on clay, including Fed. Fed will
cruise to the FO title in 07 without dropping a set. Nadal shouldn't
even bother playing on grass next year - his run to the Wimbledon final
was so lucky, just a case of the stars alligning for him. Soon
Davydenko will overtake Nadal as the world No.2, so what would be the
point in Nadal continuing to play tennis after 2007? He cannot go any
further in the game - only DOWN. I wonder which other sports Nadal
could take up in which he could be more successful? He's still young,
so I think he can become big in another sport. How about soccer?

you're giving up on him too fast
 

TennisBatman

Semi-Pro
I'd also have to say that people are giving up on Nadal too soon.

Yes, flaws have been found in his game, and his points have taken a hit recently because of his poor performance in the hard court season.

But look at the positive side for Nadal--his joints are still in good shape, with no chronic physical problems apparent at the time. He just needs to figure out a better technique, one that "gets the water out of the well", so to speak.

There's no guarantee that he can find the right critical adjustments to his technique to make him victorious, but then again that could be said of any player in his early 20s.

Blake took a long time to "perfect" his game to the level where it is now. Nadal may just need some time to reach a certain level of technical proficiency to make him more competitive.
 

wayne50

New User
I'd also have to say that people are giving up on Nadal too soon.

Yes, flaws have been found in his game, and his points have taken a hit recently because of his poor performance in the hard court season.

But look at the positive side for Nadal--his joints are still in good shape, with no chronic physical problems apparent at the time. He just needs to figure out a better technique, one that "gets the water out of the well", so to speak.

There's no guarantee that he can find the right critical adjustments to his technique to make him victorious, but then again that could be said of any player in his early 20s.

Blake took a long time to "perfect" his game to the level where it is now. Nadal may just need some time to reach a certain level of technical proficiency to make him more competitive.

But Nadal is clearly having his best results at an early age, unlike Blake - it's all down hill for Rafa now...........
 

Andres

G.O.A.T.
I'm just gonna balance things out around here
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Four smileys?
Are we allowed more than three?

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Crap... I wanted more smileys *cry*
 

SteveI

Legend
I'd also have to say that people are giving up on Nadal too soon.

Yes, flaws have been found in his game, and his points have taken a hit recently because of his poor performance in the hard court season.

But look at the positive side for Nadal--his joints are still in good shape, with no chronic physical problems apparent at the time. He just needs to figure out a better technique, one that "gets the water out of the well", so to speak.

There's no guarantee that he can find the right critical adjustments to his technique to make him victorious, but then again that could be said of any player in his early 20s.

Blake took a long time to "perfect" his game to the level where it is now. Nadal may just need some time to reach a certain level of technical proficiency to make him more competitive.

Hi,

Rafa is a like 2nd year major league baseball player, that had an outstanding 1st year. The rest of the players get "The Book" on you and make adjustments. The 2nd year player then has to add to his game and make adjustments to continue to have success... or not. One of the things that make Fed such a outstanding player is his way of making adjustments and adding to his ever evolving game. Rafa is like a 1 pitch flame-thrower.. and Fed is a guy with 5 pitches that he can locate each, change speeds and release points. Right now... Rafa is at that point.. and his body is also braking down.

Regards,
Steve
 
RAFA will win OZ open, French open and Wimbledon next year and prove you wrong.....................and he will add 125-130 MPH serve to his game and destroy FED.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
RAFA will win OZ open, French open and Wimbledon next year and prove you wrong.....................and he will add 125-130 MPH serve to his game and destroy FED.

Face the music, Rafa must retire now to avoid Coria's fate, the yips and a downward spiral to become the 1st under 25 yr old on the Champions Tour, facing Rios. JB added another nail to the coffin, dead man slidin' outahere!
 

wayne50

New User
Hi,

Rafa is a like 2nd year major league baseball player, that had an outstanding 1st year. The rest of the players get "The Book" on you and make adjustments. The 2nd year player then has to add to his game and make adjustments to continue to have success... or not. One of the things that make Fed such a outstanding player is his way of making adjustments and adding to his ever evolving game. Rafa is like a 1 pitch flame-thrower.. and Fed is a guy with 5 pitches that he can locate each, change speeds and release points. Right now... Rafa is at that point.. and his body is also braking down.

Regards,
Steve

Yes good post. You are one of the few here who understand the truth about how and why Nadal is finished.
 

bluegrasser

Hall of Fame
Let's face it, he's clearly finished. Everyone knows how to play him
now - just play aggressive on both returns and groundstrokes, and he
gets rushed enough to start making errors and has no response. The
problem for Nadal is that he has no more options left in which he could
use to improve his game - he's simply gone as far as he can in tennis.
He won't have any more success on HC - that's certain. Nadal will get
battered in the early rounds at the AO in January. Next year everyone
will have worked out how to beat him on clay, including Fed. Fed will
cruise to the FO title in 07 without dropping a set. Nadal shouldn't
even bother playing on grass next year - his run to the Wimbledon final
was so lucky, just a case of the stars alligning for him. Soon
Davydenko will overtake Nadal as the world No.2, so what would be the
point in Nadal continuing to play tennis after 2007? He cannot go any
further in the game - only DOWN. I wonder which other sports Nadal
could take up in which he could be more successful? He's still young,
so I think he can become big in another sport. How about soccer?

Please tell me you're about twelve years old, because your quote sounds like a twelve yr old.
 
Pure Insanity to compare RAFA to Coria,, RAFA has already won French open 2TIMES and nearly won Wimbledon this year. And RAFA can break every bone in coria's body with his Pinky finger. And RAFA is the ONE that drove Coria to retire cause he bashed him so many times, and he saw NO chance of winngin FRench as long as RAFA is alive...............
 

SteveI

Legend
Yes good post. You are one of the few here who understand the truth about how and why Nadal is finished.

Hi,

Thanks for your kind words. Only time will tell if he can make the adjustments required to improve or at the very least maintain his current position in the tennis rankings. His style is very hard on his body and therefore he will also need to make adjustments to reduce the stress on his young body or that will also lead to a very short life on the tour. On a positive note, he made a very nice adjustment to the "not so" fast grass of the BIG W this summer. He did have a very nice draw, but you have give him credit for a fine run on a surface very unfriendly to his game.

Regards,
Steve
 

bluegrasser

Hall of Fame
well my arrogant friend why don't b polite and make an argument r point like the rest of us instead of bein a smart@$$???;)

Arrogant, smart *** ?? whoo! - To expound a little more, again it's ridiculous to think a player that's #2 in the world should retire because he loses a few matches. He's got the game to stay in the top ten for years to come if he so chooses. Good enough *my friend*:D
 

WayneCM

Semi-Pro
Arrogant, smart *** ?? whoo! - To expound a little more, again it's ridiculous to think a player that's #2 in the world should retire because he loses a few matches. He's got the game to stay in the top ten for years to come if he so chooses. Good enough *my friend*:D

never said the idea of the thread wasn't over the top... Thanks 4 the comment:p !
 
RAFA will win OZ open 07 and show you where his game is. You rafa bashers see one match agaist Blake whom owns RAFA at the moment, but RAFA will figure out Blake soonnnnn just like Fed figured out Nalbandian. And this is super fast indoor surface which RAFA is still learning to play on and He had the worst serving day of the year. And when RAFA wins OZ open and French and FEd slips up at the US open, RAFA WILL REIGN AS KING OF TENNIS FOREVER...................................................................................................................
 

wayne50

New User
Arrogant, smart *** ?? whoo! - To expound a little more, again it's ridiculous to think a player that's #2 in the world should retire because he loses a few matches. He's got the game to stay in the top ten for years to come if he so chooses. Good enough *my friend*:D

But what would be the point? Nadal can't win slams anymore - everyone has figured him out now, and it will be the same on clay next year. Fed will win the FO next year, for definite, and Nadal can't win on HC. So now we've established that Nadal is toast, I don't see why he can't consider taking up another sport where he can be more successful. After all, he's had a good career, but he peaked very early, and he's PAST his peak now. I'm sorry of the rapid decline of Nadal is not clear to you............
 

WayneCM

Semi-Pro
RAFA will win OZ open 07 and show you where his game is. You rafa bashers see one match agaist Blake whom owns RAFA at the moment, but RAFA will figure out Blake soonnnnn just like Fed figured out Nalbandian. And this is super fast indoor surface which RAFA is still learning to play on and He had the worst serving day of the year. And when RAFA wins OZ open and French and FEd slips up at the US open, RAFA WILL REIGN AS KING OF TENNIS FOREVER...................................................................................................................

superfast doesn't exist anymore the fastest surface is canada r cincinatti masters this is at best medium with a decent bounce face it 4 the moment RAFA is still a clay courter, with limited ability on hardcourts...
 

wayne50

New User
superfast doesn't exist anymore the fastest surface is canada r cincinatti masters this is at best medium with a decent bounce face it 4 the moment RAFA is still a clay courter, with limited ability on hardcourts...

Yes Nadal is no more than a top 50 player on HC. Really quite poor by elite standards...........
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
Let's face it, he's clearly finished. Everyone knows how to play him
now - just play aggressive on both returns and groundstrokes, and he
gets rushed enough to start making errors and has no response. The
problem for Nadal is that he has no more options left in which he could
use to improve his game - he's simply gone as far as he can in tennis.
He won't have any more success on HC - that's certain. Nadal will get
battered in the early rounds at the AO in January. Next year everyone
will have worked out how to beat him on clay, including Fed. Fed will
cruise to the FO title in 07 without dropping a set. Nadal shouldn't
even bother playing on grass next year - his run to the Wimbledon final
was so lucky, just a case of the stars alligning for him. Soon
Davydenko will overtake Nadal as the world No.2, so what would be the
point in Nadal continuing to play tennis after 2007? He cannot go any
further in the game - only DOWN. I wonder which other sports Nadal
could take up in which he could be more successful? He's still young,
so I think he can become big in another sport. How about soccer?


exactly as the once again newly crowned G.O.A.T said...get real buddy...nadal lost to blake, now he's like 0-3 against him...but his game still works for the rest of the tour except like the rare big hitters like pim pim, and of course berdych...he still troubles roger federer
 
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wayne50

New User
exactly as the once again newly crowned G.O.A.T said...get real buddy...nadal lost to blake, now he's like 0-4 against him...but his game still works for the rest of the tour except like the rare big hitters like pim pim, and of course berdych...he still troubles roger federer

An absurd argument. Nadal won't be able to get far enough to play Fed, as he's too busy losing to Berdych, Blake, JJ and Gonzalez. Nadal is incapable of beating these type of power hitters. And Nadal will never beat Fed again, you will see - if they play at FO again, Fed will kill him.
 

TennezSport

Hall of Fame
Not So Sure......

But look at the positive side for Nadal--his joints are still in good shape, with no chronic physical problems apparent at the time. He just needs to figure out a better technique, one that "gets the water out of the well", so to speak.

I am not giving up on Rafa as his determination is very strong. I am however, a little worried about his physical health.

At the TMC he has both knees supported, he is wearing special supports in his shoes to prevent further foot issues, he has ripped his stomach and chest muscles all at the age of 20yrs.

He still has to cover too much court with his style of play. More wear and tear on the body. His serve will never be a monster due the the hammer grip he uses (prob with using the non dominate hand). He is losing more points on first serves trying to protect the sitter second serve; add more stress, cover more court.

He wins on pure determination and physical srength, but how long can he keep that up??? Only time will tell.

TS :cool:
 
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8PAQ

Banned
Nadal is staying in top 5 as long as he can play during the claycourt season. He gets so many points during those 3 months of the year that he almost doesn't need to play the rest of the season. This is exactly how Coria and Gaudio qualified for 2004 and 2005 TMC.
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
An absurd argument. Nadal won't be able to get far enough to play Fed, as he's too busy losing to Berdych, Blake, JJ and Gonzalez. Nadal is incapable of beating these type of power hitters. And Nadal will never beat Fed again, you will see - if they play at FO again, Fed will kill him.

its not an absurd comment wayne50, are you on a 50 anti-nadal post run?

if federer and nadal were to play today, federer would not "kill" nadal...i think he would beat him, but nadal would certainly give fits...and nadal is not always going to run into blake, berdych, or a power hitter...i mean you just go on bashing rafael nadal, who i actually have great respect for, and his game

nadal may never beat federer again, and the whole changing of the atp for 2007, with like 3 set finals in some of these clay court masters finals, if say federer lost a tight 3 set final as opposed to a tight 5 set final to nadal, he would not be as tired...

people shouldnt talk future unless something is clearly clear

saying federer will win 16 slams right now itself is speculation, as is that nadal will really get so much better when he gets to 23-24, and federer will be like 29-30

quit flaming nadal
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
RAFA will win OZ open 07 and show you where his game is. You rafa bashers see one match agaist Blake whom owns RAFA at the moment, but RAFA will figure out Blake soonnnnn just like Fed figured out Nalbandian. And this is super fast indoor surface which RAFA is still learning to play on and He had the worst serving day of the year. And when RAFA wins OZ open and French and FEd slips up at the US open, RAFA WILL REIGN AS KING OF TENNIS FOREVER...................................................................................................................

jeez rafa's best friend, i'm here actually defending rafael nadal, and you're putting more into the fire?

you cant just say rafa nadal will win the AO and reign as king of tennis forever!

cmon! be a better best friend than that! i'm sure rafa wouldnt like you to boast his future, as nadal himself doesnt boast, he just keeps saying he is very happy to be where he is, and he has to improve in a lot of areas all the time

thats a great down to earth personality, that itself will carry him far

he doesnt need you to start saying all this stuff just because some bloke said nadal couldnt beat blake even after the court surface got slower...
 

jaykay

Professional
wayne50: aren't you the same dude who said that 'Andrew' (!) Agassi is 'shamed' (!) of being an Iranian 'Arab'?!? Clearly, your knowledge of the game and the game's personalities is highly suspect.

And Rafa's Best Friend aka NadalGirl26: Are you even minutely aware how monotonous and worthless your posts are?

Why don't we all enjoy the game some more instead of making supercilious predictions?
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
i didnt want to say it exactly in the words of jaykay, as they might be too harsh for you two relative posters, but thats pretty much where my ideas were headed....
 

wayne50

New User
its not an absurd comment wayne50, are you on a 50 anti-nadal post run?

if federer and nadal were to play today, federer would not "kill" nadal...i think he would beat him, but nadal would certainly give fits...and nadal is not always going to run into blake, berdych, or a power hitter...i mean you just go on bashing rafael nadal, who i actually have great respect for, and his game

nadal may never beat federer again, and the whole changing of the atp for 2007, with like 3 set finals in some of these clay court masters finals, if say federer lost a tight 3 set final as opposed to a tight 5 set final to nadal, he would not be as tired...

people shouldnt talk future unless something is clearly clear

saying federer will win 16 slams right now itself is speculation, as is that nadal will really get so much better when he gets to 23-24, and federer will be like 29-30

quit flaming nadal


What you don't seem to realize is that the tour has figured out Nadal now. And in 2007, this will include now clay, and once Nadal loses on clay regularly, that's it for him. Once those on the tour have worked you out, you're done. And Nadal just doesn't lose to ONLY powerhitters - he's also lost to people like Clement, JCF and Youzhny. These type of losses didn't happen last year, which shows that he's entered a period of decline from which he will never recover.
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
wow wayne50, you're so lame....only 19 posts, are all of them bashing nadal????

how about federer in 2004? and i am much more of a federer fan than a nadal fan, because of how his game is very similar to sampras'

federer in 2004 didnt lose to like only the #2 player in the world...he lost to hrbaty at cincy, berdych at the olympics, minsicule losses

i agree that nadal has a tough time beating the hard power hitters who fearlessly go for a lot on returns and in the middle of points, but that does not mean he is just going to go away...

with those big guns i'm sure he will somehow be able to hit flatter too....i mean cmon wayne50, where were you around july where, not necessarily on this board, but on other boards or just gossip, some tennis junkies were saying that nadal will beat federer at the wimbledon final, and then federer wont be regarded as the true #1, and will just retire like borg did

i saw it as a bunch of BS, and this what you're saying is BS too...who wants negative things to happen to a player?
 

wayne50

New User
wow wayne50, you're so lame....only 19 posts, are all of them bashing nadal????

how about federer in 2004? and i am much more of a federer fan than a nadal fan, because of how his game is very similar to sampras'

federer in 2004 didnt lose to like only the #2 player in the world...he lost to hrbaty at cincy, berdych at the olympics, minsicule losses

i agree that nadal has a tough time beating the hard power hitters who fearlessly go for a lot on returns and in the middle of points, but that does not mean he is just going to go away...

with those big guns i'm sure he will somehow be able to hit flatter too....i mean cmon wayne50, where were you around july where, not necessarily on this board, but on other boards or just gossip, some tennis junkies were saying that nadal will beat federer at the wimbledon final, and then federer wont be regarded as the true #1, and will just retire like borg did

i saw it as a bunch of BS, and this what you're saying is BS too...who wants negative things to happen to a player?


So what are you saying, that Nadal will challenge for slams in the future? Yeah, right! When was the last time Nadal beat a top 10 player? A long time ago! You can't challenge for big events if you can't beat top 10 players!
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
umm....so you'll bash nadal, but not roddick?? sure roddick has turned around his season, but how many top 10 players has he beaten in 2006???

make a real argument, otherwise get off nadal

nadal lost to blake, big deal, he had a 2-0 record previously, both on hard courts, and this was also a hard court, a fast surface

i basically said who wants bad things to happen to a player? since when do we wish the worst to a player??

cmon wayne50, i dont know how old you are, but first compile the rest of the top 10 players, and their respective records against the top 10, in 2006

like federer would be ...i dont know how many wins, but 4 losses, all to nadal

compile a list like that first
 
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