Nadal trying to avoid Djokovic?

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leodevlin

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According this article lot of people think that Nadal is casting doubt about his singles participation due to physical issues as he would have to potentially face Djokovic in the second round .

www.sportskeeda.com

"As soon as Rafael Nadal is drawn against Novak Djokovic, he got physical problems"; "Fakest athlete ever" - Fans react to doubts over Spaniard's Paris Olympics 2024 singles campaign

Rafael Nadal has arrived in Paris to represent Spain at the Olympics, starting on July 27.
www.sportskeeda.com www.sportskeeda.com

I have to say it's a bit weird for Rafa to play doubles but not singles citing physical problems.

Thoughts?
 
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If Nadal avoided Djokovic during Nadal's 2 worst years, Nadal would be leading their H2H 29-23...

2015 Nadal lost to:
Berrer at Doha, ranked 127.
Berdych at Australian Open, in straight sets (including a bagel), after Nadal had beaten Berdych 17 straight times.
Fognini at Rio + Barcelona + US Open (Nadal led 2-sets-to-love, Fognini won in 5).
Raonic at Indian Wells, and Nadal leads Raonic 8-2, and 9 of their 10 meetings were on hardcourt.
Verdasco at Miami.
Djokovic at Monte Carlo + Roland Garros + Beijing + ATP Finals.
Murray at Madrid, in straight sets.
Wawrinka at Rome, in straight sets.
Dolgopolov at Queens.
Brown at Wimbledon.
Nishikori at Canada, in straight sets.
Lopez at Cincinnati.
Tsonga at Shanghai.
Federer at Basel.
Wawrinka at Paris, in straight sets.

2016 Nadal lost to:
Verdasco at Australian Open.
Djokovic at Doha + Indian Wells + Rome.
Thiem at Buenos Aires.
Cuevas at Rio.
Dzumhur at Miami.
Murray at Madrid, in straight sets.
Del Potro at Olympics.
Nishikori at Olympics.
Coric at Cincinnati, in straight sets.
Pouille at US Open.
Dimitrov at Beijing, in straight sets.
Troicki at Shanghai, in straight sets.
 
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leodevlin

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ANTedwardsWON said:
If Nadal avoided Djokovic during Nadal's 2 worst years, Nadal would be leading their H2H 29-23...

2015 Nadal lost to:
Berrer at Doha, ranked 127.
Berdych at Australian Open, in straight sets (including a bagel), after Nadal had beaten Berdych 17 straight times.
Fognini at Rio + Barcelona + US Open (Nadal led 2-sets-to-love, Fognini won in 5).
Raonic at Indian Wells, and Nadal leads Raonic 8-2, and 9 of their 10 meetings were on hardcourt.
Verdasco at Miami.
Djokovic at Monte Carlo + Roland Garros + Beijing + ATP Finals.
Murray at Madrid, in straight sets.
Wawrinka at Rome, in straight sets.
Dolgopolov at Queens.
Brown at Wimbledon.
Nishikori at Canada, in straight sets.
Lopez at Cincinnati.
Tsonga at Shanghai.
Federer at Basel.
Wawrinka at Paris, in straight sets.

2016 Nadal lost to:
Verdasco at Australian Open.
Djokovic at Doha + Indian Wells + Rome.
Thiem at Buenos Aires.
Cuevas at Rio.
Dzumhur at Miami.
Murray at Madrid, in straight sets.
Del Potro at Olympics.
Nishikori at Olympics.
Coric at Cincinnati, in straight sets.
Pouille at US Open.
Dimitrov at Beijing, in straight sets.
Troicki at Shanghai, in straight sets.
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But now he has fallen significantly behind Novak skills wise.

He knows there is no chance he.can win and maybe he is trying to avoid the pain of being completely dominated by him, especially now that he has lost the GS battle.
 
ibbi

ibbi

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An article from Sportskeeda, one of the most worthless websites on the internet, citing... RANDOM PEOPLE ON TWITTER :-D Lauugh my ass off. Tremendous journalism right here.

Players play doubles not singles all the time when they have physical problems. That's what Andy Murray has been doing for the past month.

Just when you think this place can't get any more dumb.
 
jm1980

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
ibbi said:
An article from Sportskeeda, one of the most worthless websites on the internet, citing... RANDOM PEOPLE ON TWITTER :-D Lauugh my ass off. Tremendous journalism right here.

Players play doubles not singles all the time when they have physical problems. That's what Andy Murray has been doing for the past month.

Just when you think this place can't get any more dumb.
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Andy Murray has essentially been retired for a while now. His singles ranking is artificially inflated by wildcards
 
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leodevlin

Professional
Lleytonstation said:
He needs to be fully healthy to compete with Djoker, and if he is not then there is no point. Especially when you know he would give everything and potentially re-injure himself.

Rafa does not need to sacrifice himself to Djoker at this age and health. He has paid his dues.
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So you agree that he is trying to avoid him but for good reason ?
 
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leodevlin

Professional
ibbi said:
An article from Sportskeeda, one of the most worthless websites on the internet, citing... RANDOM PEOPLE ON TWITTER :-D Lauugh my ass off. Tremendous journalism right here.

Players play doubles not singles all the time when they have physical problems. That's what Andy Murray has been doing for the past month.

Just when you think this place can't get any more dumb.
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No need for adhomimem pal.

The timing of his potential single withdrawal after the Djokovic draw is a bit suspect.
 
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leodevlin said:
No need for adhomimem pal.

The timing of his potential single withdrawal after the Djokovic draw is a bit suspect.
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I bet you won't be getting a wink of sleep between now and Nadal's first singles match...
I've never seen anyone more invested in a potential withdraw, and you clearly aren't even a Nadal fan.
 
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leodevlin

Professional
ANTedwardsWON said:
I bet you won't be getting a wink of sleep between now and Nadal's first singles match...
I've never seen anyone more invested in a potential withdraw, and you clearly aren't even a Nadal fan.
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Why do I have to be invested to make an observation?

I am neither a Nadal nor a Djokovic fan but I find the dynamics of their rivalry entertaining. That's about it.
 
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leodevlin said:
Why do I have to be invested to make an observation?

I am neither a Nadal nor a Djokovic fan but I find the dynamics of their rivalry entertaining. That's about it.
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Its a colossal reach, when everybody knows Nadal has been very injury prone in the last few years, and doubles is nothing like singles.
Plus he'd be losing Alcaraz a doubles gold medal if he further aggravates his injury in the singles matches, and playing the 1st Round is an injury risk, not just playing Djokovic.
 
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Operation20

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Rafa is going to be done like a dinner regardless. If he loses the first round, people will say he's washed up and over the hill.

If he wins the first match and then loses the second, people will say the same. He just needs to push forward and do his best to end his career on a positive note.
 
Icsa

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ANTedwardsWON said:
I bet you won't be getting a wink of sleep between now and Nadal's first singles match...
I've never seen anyone more invested in a potential withdraw, and you clearly aren't even a Nadal fan.
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When is Nadal's first singles match? I looked on google.com and olympics.com and it doesn't say anything about Nadal besides his doubles match in less than an hour.
 
ibbi

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
leodevlin said:
No need for adhomimem pal.

The timing of his potential single withdrawal after the Djokovic draw is a bit suspect.
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Not as entirely unsuspect as practicing Wednesday, having whatever issue he had, and not practicing on Thursday.

I can just imagine the person who has the daydreams where Nadal wakes up on Thursday, sees the draw, and cancels his practice for the day.

That sounds like something a high level athlete would do, for sure. Especially given he came back and practiced the next day. :-D

The juvenile delusions the terminally online cook up to fuel their idiotic narratives never fail to amuse.
 
Subway Tennis

Subway Tennis

G.O.A.T.
I hope he is right for both events, but regardless I wouldn’t read too much into King Rafa staying in the doubles as an overall health indicator for singles.

Even if Rafa lost a leg 1000% he would still stay in the double because he doesn’t want to let Alcaraz down.

Even on one leg Nadal is the scariest ad court doubles returner on the planet. You don’t want to be serving to that man in the ad court. They would be overwhelming favourites for doubles Gold regardless of whether Rafa’s fitness level and hamstring injury gives him a good chance at the singles tournament.
 
jackson vile

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leodevlin said:
According this article lot of people think that Nadal is casting doubt about his singles participation due to physical issues as he would have to potentially face Djokovic in the second round .

www.sportskeeda.com

"As soon as Rafael Nadal is drawn against Novak Djokovic, he got physical problems"; "Fakest athlete ever" - Fans react to doubts over Spaniard's Paris Olympics 2024 singles campaign

Rafael Nadal has arrived in Paris to represent Spain at the Olympics, starting on July 27.
www.sportskeeda.com www.sportskeeda.com

I have to say it's a bit weird for Rafa to play doubles but not singles citing physical problems.

Thoughts?
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Of course, Nadal should have stayed retired as he knows he can’t keep up with his peers.
 
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Lauren_Girl'

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leodevlin said:
According this article lot of people think that Nadal is casting doubt about his singles participation due to physical issues as he would have to potentially face Djokovic in the second round .

www.sportskeeda.com

"As soon as Rafael Nadal is drawn against Novak Djokovic, he got physical problems"; "Fakest athlete ever" - Fans react to doubts over Spaniard's Paris Olympics 2024 singles campaign

Rafael Nadal has arrived in Paris to represent Spain at the Olympics, starting on July 27.
www.sportskeeda.com www.sportskeeda.com

I have to say it's a bit weird for Rafa to play doubles but not singles citing physical problems.

Thoughts?
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I don't particularly like Nadal but no. I don't believe that. I can admit, it's frustrating that the Djokodal H2H is so clay-sided, though. Half of the 59 matches were on clay when clay barely represents 30% of the whole season. Nadal "avoided" Djokovic sooo many times in big hard courts or grass events... The H2H wouldn't be close if they met 10 times in Australia and 10 times in Paris-Bercy for example. But faking injuries or losing on purpose to avoid him, I don't think so. They are professional athletes, not cowards. Nadal never withdrew before facing Djokovic as far as I can remember.
 
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ANTedwardsWON said:
If Nadal avoided Djokovic during Nadal's 2 worst years, Nadal would be leading their H2H 29-23...

2015 Nadal lost to:
Berrer at Doha, ranked 127.
Berdych at Australian Open, in straight sets (including a bagel), after Nadal had beaten Berdych 17 straight times.
Fognini at Rio + Barcelona + US Open (Nadal led 2-sets-to-love, Fognini won in 5).
Raonic at Indian Wells, and Nadal leads Raonic 8-2, and 9 of their 10 meetings were on hardcourt.
Verdasco at Miami.
Djokovic at Monte Carlo + Roland Garros + Beijing + ATP Finals.
Murray at Madrid, in straight sets.
Wawrinka at Rome, in straight sets.
Dolgopolov at Queens.
Brown at Wimbledon.
Nishikori at Canada, in straight sets.
Lopez at Cincinnati.
Tsonga at Shanghai.
Federer at Basel.
Wawrinka at Paris, in straight sets.

2016 Nadal lost to:
Verdasco at Australian Open.
Djokovic at Doha + Indian Wells + Rome.
Thiem at Buenos Aires.
Cuevas at Rio.
Dzumhur at Miami.
Murray at Madrid, in straight sets.
Del Potro at Olympics.
Nishikori at Olympics.
Coric at Cincinnati, in straight sets.
Pouille at US Open.
Dimitrov at Beijing, in straight sets.
Troicki at Shanghai, in straight sets.
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Right. Also if novak hadn't avoided fedal during his 1.5-2 bad years (and maybe the initial career retirements), those h2hs would have been worse for novak.
 
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leodevlin

Professional
ANTedwardsWON said:
Its a colossal reach, when everybody knows Nadal has been very injury prone in the last few years, and doubles is nothing like singles.
Plus he'd be losing Alcaraz a doubles gold medal if he further aggravates his injury in the singles matches, and playing the 1st Round is an injury risk, not just playing Djokovic.
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Do you think he would have pulled out of his opponent wasn't Djokovic?
 
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leodevlin

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Lauren_Girl' said:
I don't particularly like Nadal but no. I don't believe that. I can admit, it's frustrating that the Djokodal H2H is so clay-sided, though. Half of the 59 matches were on clay when clay barely represents 30% of the whole season. Nadal "avoided" Djokovic sooo many times in big hard courts or grass events... The H2H wouldn't be close if they met 10 times in Australia and 10 times in Paris-Bercy for example. But faking injuries or losing on purpose to avoid him, I don't think so. They are professional athletes, not cowards. Nadal never withdrew before facing Djokovic as far as I can remember.
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I just don't think that he would have signaled a potential pull out if his second round opponent was someone else.
 
Pheasant

Pheasant

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Nadal, or other top players, aren't ducking anybody. Nadal is 29-30 vs Djokovic. And this Olympics is being played on clay, a surface that Nadal is pretty good on. Nadal isn't ducking anybody. And he never has.

There's only only one instance where I've heard of a good player ducking another player. This happened after Donksoy absolutely humiliated peak Federer at his best hard court event in 2017. That rivalry ended 1-0 in favor of Donskoy. To Fed's credit, had they played 59 times like Djokodal did, then it would have been 59-0 in favor of Donskoy. So I give Fed a pass for ducking Donskoy for his entire career after that embarrassing beatdown.
 
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leodevlin

Professional
Pheasant said:
Nadal, or other top players, aren't ducking anybody. Nadal is 29-30 vs Djokovic. And this Olympics is being played on clay, a surface that Nadal is pretty good on. Nadal isn't ducking anybody. And he never has.

There's only only one instance where I've heard of a good player ducking another player. This happened after Donksoy absolutely humiliated peak Federer at his best hard court event in 2017. That rivalry ended 1-0 in favor of Donskoy. To Fed's credit, had they played 59 times like Djokodal did, then it would have been 59-0 in favor of Donskoy. So I give Fed a pass for ducking Donskoy for his entire career after that embarrassing beatdown.
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That was then, this is now , the gap has significantly widened and there is no way Nadal would have pulled out if he was gonna face someone lesser than Djokovic.
 
TripleATeam

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ANTedwardsWON said:
If Nadal avoided Djokovic during Nadal's 2 worst years, Nadal would be leading their H2H 29-23...

2015 Nadal lost to:
Berrer at Doha, ranked 127.
Berdych at Australian Open, in straight sets (including a bagel), after Nadal had beaten Berdych 17 straight times.
Fognini at Rio + Barcelona + US Open (Nadal led 2-sets-to-love, Fognini won in 5).
Raonic at Indian Wells, and Nadal leads Raonic 8-2, and 9 of their 10 meetings were on hardcourt.
Verdasco at Miami.
Djokovic at Monte Carlo + Roland Garros + Beijing + ATP Finals.
Murray at Madrid, in straight sets.
Wawrinka at Rome, in straight sets.
Dolgopolov at Queens.
Brown at Wimbledon.
Nishikori at Canada, in straight sets.
Lopez at Cincinnati.
Tsonga at Shanghai.
Federer at Basel.
Wawrinka at Paris, in straight sets.

2016 Nadal lost to:
Verdasco at Australian Open.
Djokovic at Doha + Indian Wells + Rome.
Thiem at Buenos Aires.
Cuevas at Rio.
Dzumhur at Miami.
Murray at Madrid, in straight sets.
Del Potro at Olympics.
Nishikori at Olympics.
Coric at Cincinnati, in straight sets.
Pouille at US Open.
Dimitrov at Beijing, in straight sets.
Troicki at Shanghai, in straight sets.
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Compile a list of all the events Nadal has withdrawn from and Novak has won. Then compile the reverse. If neither had withdrawn, the H2H would be much bigger of a gap than 30-29.
 
Bastion

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"I don't know if I am going to play tomorrow," he said after partnering Carlos Alcaraz to victory in the doubles at Roland Garros.

"I will talk to my people and make the smartest decision that I can to have the best chance of bringing a medal home."

Even if he gets past his toughest rival in his long career, the biggest tennis rivalry ever, there are still some others to beat also, this only the 2nd round.

Looking objectively at the matter, the best chance is the doubles, Carlos also there to help.

I want to see another match between the two legends, but this could end ugly for Rafa, if he tries to do both, if it was 8 years ago, yes, but his body too fragile. Going for both he most likely going to lose out on both.
 
jm1980

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Talk Tennis Guru
ibbi said:
And if you've watched Nadal this year he is not any better.
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Nadal at least is competitive at around a Top 30 level. Murray is getting destroyed, while looking like he can barely move. Those last few matches he played were really sad to watch
 
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ibbi said:
Not as entirely unsuspect as practicing Wednesday, having whatever issue he had, and not practicing on Thursday.

I can just imagine the person who has the daydreams where Nadal wakes up on Thursday, sees the draw, and cancels his practice for the day.

That sounds like something a high level athlete would do, for sure. Especially given he came back and practiced the next day. :-D

The juvenile delusions the terminally online cook up to fuel their idiotic narratives never fail to amuse.
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Lay a little egg for me
 
King_ Zeglan12

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Professional
RS said:
What I think could have been a really fun match is if they played at on grass in Wim 19 after the 18 clash but obviously due to Fed that didn't happen.
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Nadal would have definitely had a solid chance there. Wimbledon 2022 for that matter but Nadal was injured .
The only time Nadal was injury free and playing well at the start of season in the last 4 years, Djokovic had his vaccination saga.You can't make this up lol
 
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