Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by downthewall, Jul 10, 2007.
I believe he will win this year. What do you guys think?
I don't know if he can do it. It would be nice. But you're going to get polarizing answers in here u know. It'll be either "no chance in hell" or "start engraving his name on the trophy". So get ready. The avalanche is coming.
At least you didn't call Laver a 5.0 player again...
He is the number 2 player in the world>>>> so yes, he has a very good shot at winning it. Do I think he will win it?? No. Fed is going to win it again.
i won't say any definite but chances are high, and every thing is probably going his way.
Wimbledon was just a slight set back.
a lot depends on his draw. keep away from the guys who seem to have his number on hard courts (blake, youzhny) and he has a great shot. he seems to be in fed's head so if they meet in the finals it's 50:50. how's that for being squarely on the fence :smile:
The problem with the U.S Open is that the speed is still the fast.Its a fast surface.Nadal cant use the tactic of staying way behind the baseline and the bounces are low.Remember that he uses a western grip.
I dont know if its 50-50.I would say 60-40 Fed.
What happened to your Wimbledon prediction that Nadal would win it?
I know you lost to Oscar in FO betting, but is it the arrangement that u have to say Nadal win Wimby? lol..
It'd be nice to see him win. Maybe if he does, I should quit college and train 14 hours a day for four years to turn pro for a good 8 or so years
Nadal came alot closer this year in wim. Next year he will take it... with a lot of fighting
I have no doubt he can take it if it stays slow and it continues to get alot of crazy bounces.Maybe players will complain and they will speed it up.
LOL. Not at all.
I just looked at the facts. Coming into Wimbledon, Nadal was hands down playing the best tennis of any pro, and being the grass there is much slower, I didn't see any reason for him not to be able to pull it off. He came damn close, and gave us one hell of a final. It is the best match I have seen all year.
I think this years US Open final will be Federer vs Nadal with Federer prevailing. Some have said that the US Open plays faster then Wimbledon.
I think the conditions will not be in his favor. Everyone knows that the USO is set up for the American's to excel in. So the court & ball will be fast. He will face those flat shots that he hates hitting to his forehand alot more frequent than in Wimbledon & his groundie will not bounce as high so it will not be as lethal to his opponent........
Heck, the australian open will play faster soon, looks like wimbledon might be the 4th fastest slam,lol.The french open might surpass it.
Nadal has still not proven to be consistent on the hardcourts yet.
Nadal at the US Open is an intersting prospect. He hasn't done bad there but he hasn't done great. Losing Youzhny last year. I think he has a good chance to make it to the semi's. But to get pass Federer will be very difficult. Espically Federer on the very fast surface of the us open. Us open surface is almost or even faster that Wimbledon.
But he pushed Federer at Wimbledon. Nadal will have to be very aggrisive. He showed that he can take a short back swing and be aggrisive off the return at Wimby. It will be difficult to play defensive behind the baseline at the Open. He can kind of get away with at Wimbledon. But Youzhny again was able to pick at that, before getting injuried during the match. But he could have very well upset Nadal.
He's got a good chance, but gotta watch out for the usual suspects including Blake and Berdych.
LOL. Sounds like the same idiocy we had to deal with when nitwits were declaring "Karlovic ought to be seeded at Wimbledon!!!!111"
One need only look at Nadal's US Open history to realize he's zero threat to ever take that title. A semifinal appearance would be an accomplishment worthy of the history books. Guy isn't a top 20 fast-hardcourt player. He's a slowcourt specialist, who is lucky that he lives in an era when two of the four slams are legit slowcourts.
Aren't you one of the guys who's supposed to say "start engraving his name on the trophy"?
Wimbledon next year will be played on mud.
Well looking at his history at Wimby....everyone said he had an easy draw last year,was pushed too hard by kendrick blablablahh etc so he wasnt good enough....fast forward this year: he came close to winning!!
Point is the kid's getting better and improving his skills on other surfaces...he can win the USO.
I think Nadal can go further this year. A SF will be satisfactory, a F is good & lifting the trophy will be great!!
What he needs to do now is to stay fit & keep on improving his serve. There is a chance tough.
Well he'll have to have made a huge improvement because last year from this point on he lost to Berdych (twice), Ferrero, Youzhny, Johansson (Joachim), and Federer on hardcourt - six loses in six tournaments, no final apperarances. at least he doesn't have many points to defend.
He also came pretty close to losing. He lost 5 sets during Wimbledon '06, but this year at Wimbledon he lost 8 sets.
I think that in some ways they both got lucky this year (Rafa and Fed). Rafa was going down to Youzhny, no question - I watched the match, and then Youzhny had the vertabrae in his back click out of place, and then Djoko came in strong in the semis but, hey, we know he had no gas. Fed got lucky with the rain breaks and Haas pulling out, and also the final was anyones.
Wimbledon is not a "slow court." Deal with it junior.
His chances are better than last year but I really doubt if he'll even come close to doing it. The hard courts at flushing meadows are currently the worst kind of surface for Rafa. If there is one grand slam Nadal will never win with the current surfaces, it will be USO.
Um....no. That's Simon Cowell's job. Apparently you don't read my posts. Unless it's the French Open, but then we all knew that part. I'm not going out on a limb with that one. I never said Nadal was going to win the US Open. Unless he shows the form of Indian Wells I'm not going to say he'll win it before the tournament even starts. I actually post pretty objectively, I just get into arguments with Fedtrolls. Most of the time they just end up throwing insults because they can't get into a normal and objective discussion. The mod gods are certainly not in any hurry to punish them. Hmm, I wonder why? :roll:
I think a semifinal this year would be a success. A final would be incredible, win or lose, and you know either way he will give 110% and give the fans their moneys worth in a final. If he improves on his best ever there I think it is good to see though, for his fans and for him. It might be the hardest slam right now for him due to the court speed. So expectations might be more in check there then elsewhere, but I think a best ever result is still the realistic target.
25 aces in the final troll.
Lets not forget that he's been playing well during the start of the year at these hard court events. Winner at IW and quarters at Miami. He's shown that he can adapt if he wants to, but he needs to practice his return of serve and play more aggresively. His serving on the hard courts are very good compared to last year. Theres a chance.
Of course he will win it.That's it if Federer is out with injury and he has to play only clay courters in his draw.
These comments sound a bit dated. Nadal is twice the player he was last year.
I don't think Nadal will get past USO semi this year. Not because he can't play well but because hard courts take the worst toll on his body. He will probably be in similar situation as Djokovic was at this Wimbledon. Have a superhuman effort to get to the semi (maybe beat Blake in 5 sets in the quarters) and then lose in 4 or 5 sets in the semi because he is too tired/injured to play.
Similar to what happened to Nadal at AO this year. He beat Murray in 5 sets and then was tired/injured for his match against Gonzalez.
i wouldn't count him out too fast. he's always a contender.
what final do you speak of? surely not wimbledon.
He means there was a total of 25 aces in the final featuring two best returners in the game. Which shows that surface was quick enough.
I still think bounces were too high for grass.
I would love to see Nadal play Hewitt and Roddick at USO. Fed beat those two so many times it is no fun anymore.
I'm expecting following players becoming more considerable factor
in coming US Open:
Djokovic, Gasquet, Murray, Berdych (and maybe Baghdatis, Monfils).
Especially I'm really looking forward Gasquet finally break thru..
Also note that it's more learning the bounce and movement on the surfaces
than the speed( which tends to be very similar on all surfaces these days ).
if he plays anything like he did at indian wells. Id say he has a very good chance at reaching the final. Its crazy how the us open is now the fastest surface since wimbledon is now a faster clay surface. If nadal can adjust to this fast surface which im sure he will since hes way better than last year, he will take on federer. Lets not forget djokovic and murray who will probably meet nadal in the semis or quarters.
There is no real "fast" court since 2003. It's all medium speed, so to speak.
It's now matter of gaining experiences on its bounce and movements on it.
U.S Open is a fast court, definitely faster then Wimbledon at this point in time. Australian Open is becoming a fast court now that they are speeding it up.
Gasquet finally break though? He just made the semis of Wimbledon.
Berdych is way overrated and wont be a contender at the U.S Open. Djokovic, Gasquet, and Murray could be, but the only of them with an outside shot to beat Federer or Nadal right now is Djokovic.
I agree. No way Fed would've gotten 24 aces on clay. Hell, Roddick wouldn't even have made the QF to choke against Gasquet if it were slow. Let's face it kids, Nadal is the real dealio and it burns you haters to see that. Nadal was hugging the baseline and blasting winners off both sides against Fed. The serve was what bailed Fed out in this match, on clay it would have been taken out of the equation. Grass, green clay. Blah! Don't think so.
I just hope he improves on last years effort. He definitely is improving and will put up a fight in every match he plays. I wish him luck.
nope, US open too fast. unless they pull a 'wimby' on the hard courts...
either federer or nadal, thats it.
Berdych overrated??! this surface is the best for his style! he only lost last year's uso since he had to face blake, who by the way will do good this year too.
James Blake has made only 2 slam quarters in his career, which has been a full fledged pro career of over 7 years now. To attribute Berdych's failure to go further then the 4th round of last years U.S Open on having to play a guy in his late 20s with only 2 slam quarters in the 4th round is desperate. Blake is one of the easiest and best draws you could have for the 4th round of a slam based on his own career success. Berdych has one slam quarter in his career, and he was killed by Nadal in that match, even though there was all this hype that Berdych was going to take Nadal out before the match, another example of his being overrated.
He has not accomplished that much at all, even for still being fairly young. Only one slam quarterfinal, a bunch of round of 16 losses in slams. One Masters title in tainted circumstances in the very depleted Paris event of 2005. When people talk about how good he is they bring up trivial things like his win over Federer in the Olympics, as if anyone really believes players care about the Olympics, especialy the men. Berdych is a big level down from Djokovic and Gasquet, and possibly Murray and Baghdatis too.
As for Blake, 4th round tops this year, probably loses sooner. His 15 minutes are over.
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