NADAL V FEDERER H2H

[Lexibra]

Not sure if this has been broken down but it is interesting.

Clay: Nadal 13-2 Federer
Outdoor hard: Nadal 8-5 Federer
Indoor hard: Federer 6-1 Nadal
Grass: Federer 2-1 Nadal

So outdoors its Nadal 22-9 Federer. All the Majors are outdoors albeit three do have a roof so if Nadal and Federer play and roof is closed Federer will be favourite. But if not closed Nadal is favourite.

What puzzles me is ive read the h2h is clay skewed. Looking at the above thats inaccurate as they have played less than half their matches on clay.

 

[Tennisanity]

Determine the percentage on each surface and check which is the largest compared to the number of tournaments on that surface in the year.

 

[jimjam]

Yes, this has been broken down before... many many... MANY... times.

And the clay skew refers to the fact that, up till this year 44% of their matches had taken place on clay. Clay represents less than 25% of the calendar season.

 

[anhtuanngo]

oh god not this again

 

[peakin11mugs]

Not sure if this has been broken down but it is interesting.

Clay: Nadal 13-2 Federer
Outdoor hard: Nadal 8-5 Federer
Indoor hard: Federer 6-1 Nadal
Grass: Federer 2-1 Nadal

So outdoors its Nadal 22-9 Federer. All the Majors are outdoors albeit three do have a roof so if Nadal and Federer play and roof is closed Federer will be favourite. But if not closed Nadal is favourite.

What puzzles me is ive read the h2h is clay skewed. Looking at the above thats inaccurate as they have played less than half their matches on clay.

Which old user are you? And fed leads on hard and grass and nadal leads on clay. Nadal is 2-1 against mueller at Wimbledon, 6-1 davedenkly etc. Read old threads this has been discussed to death anal nadals general inability to win against mugs is well discussed

 

[Shaolin]

They have played over twice as much on clay (Nadal's adv) than indoor (Fed's adv).

Played only 3x on grass (so many times Nadal failed to meet Fed there, busy losing early to journeymen).

Skewed af. Fed lived up to his side of the deal to meet Nadal on clay 15x, Nadal lost early on grass and indoor protecting his h2h.

 

[Wander]

Puzzles are puzzling to puzzling people.

 

[VolleyHelena]

They played 14/25 times on Clay before Federer turned 30.56% is Clay skew and it's 8-6 and 5-1.Also they have met 3 times on Feds preferred surface as opposed to 15 times on Nadals.Thats what people keep mentioning Mr. "NEW USER"

Edit- Glimmermans new account

 

[Lexibra]

Which old user are you? And fed leads on hard and grass and nadal leads on clay. Nadal is 2-1 against mueller at Wimbledon, 6-1 davedenkly etc. Read old threads this has been discussed to death anal nadals general inability to win against mugs is well discussed

Think you may have missed the point.

The analysis was really outdoors v indoors. Quite an interesting split. Certainly not clay skewed though.

 

[anhtuanngo]

Which old user are you? And fed leads on hard and grass and nadal leads on clay. Nadal is 2-1 against mueller at Wimbledon, 6-1 davedenkly etc. Read old threads this has been discussed to death anal nadals general inability to win against mugs is well discussed

It's either the users Newcomer or TennisATP...haven't seen them for a while....and their profiles are no longer available

 

[peakin11mugs]

Think you may have missed the point.

The analysis was really outdoors v indoors. Quite an interesting split. Certainly not clay skewed though.

Fail. Answered your own question. Ok then h2h is outdoor skewed then

And just shows how weak nadal is. He has a matchup advantage against federer yet STILL has less AO, WIMB, US, WTF because he can’t beat the 100rh ranked player

Also because he has lost to djoker on AO, FO, WIMB, US, WTF and all shared masters. Nadal never beaten djoker at AO. Don’t make me bring up 7-0 2x without nadal winning a set of losing 7 finals consecutively or 3 consecutive slam finals

 

[fedtennisphan]

Not sure if this has been broken down but it is interesting.

Clay: Nadal 13-2 Federer
Outdoor hard: Nadal 8-5 Federer
Indoor hard: Federer 6-1 Nadal
Grass: Federer 2-1 Nadal

So outdoors its Nadal 22-9 Federer. All the Majors are outdoors albeit three do have a roof so if Nadal and Federer play and roof is closed Federer will be favourite. But if not closed Nadal is favourite.

What puzzles me is ive read the h2h is clay skewed. Looking at the above thats inaccurate as they have played less than half their matches on clay.

Jeez...Nadal fans sound like Murray fans after the WB final loss to Federer in 2012. Nadal lost to Federer this year at the AO. Outdoors.

 

[augustobt]

Another day and another new account think they just discovered gun powder. jesus christ.

 

[KINGROGER]

Hi glimmerman/alt account of Bullzillion troll.

Matches played on clay - 15

Matches played on slow HC - 10

Matches played on grass - 3

Matches played on medium-fast HC - 3

Matches played indoors - 7

25 matches on Nadal’s preferred surfaces. 13 on Federer’s. 23-15 H2H makes sense.

 

[sureshs]

Tennis was envisioned as an outdoor sport in which the sun and win play a role (that was the whole point of changing sides) so these stats prove that Nadal is the superior player by far

 

[KINGROGER]

Tennis was envisioned as an outdoor sport in which the sun and win play a role (that was the whole point of changing sides) so these stats prove that Nadal is the superior player by far

It’s also supposed to be lawn tennis. Federer 2-1 therefore Fed > Nadal.

 

[sureshs]

It’s also supposed to be lawn tennis. Federer 2-1 therefore Fed > Nadal.

hehehe

 

[Shaolin]

Tennis was envisioned as an outdoor sport in which the sun and win play a role (that was the whole point of changing sides) so these stats prove that Nadal is the superior player by far

Tennis was played indoor long before outdoor.

 

[sureshs]

Tennis was played indoor long before outdoor.

That is real tennis, not lawn tennis

 

[Shaolin]

That is real tennis, not lawn tennis

Thanks for that wisdom

 

[Phoenix1983]

Not sure if this has been broken down but it is interesting.

No, no one has ever thought to post about this before. It's certainly nowhere near the most repeated topic in this forum's history.

 

[TahoeTennis]

Doesn't matter. War is over. Fedalunited.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Tennis was envisioned as an outdoor sport in which the sun and win play a role (that was the whole point of changing sides) so these stats prove that Nadal is the superior player by far

Tennis was also envisioned to be played on grass. Hence Wimbledon being the frst ever tournament. What do those stats then show?

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Doesn't matter. War is over. Fedalunited.

If only. If only. I finally saw the Laver Cup, it was magical to see Fedal united.

 

[TennisCJC]

Not sure if this has been broken down but it is interesting.

Clay: Nadal 13-2 Federer
Outdoor hard: Nadal 8-5 Federer
Indoor hard: Federer 6-1 Nadal
Grass: Federer 2-1 Nadal

So outdoors its Nadal 22-9 Federer. All the Majors are outdoors albeit three do have a roof so if Nadal and Federer play and roof is closed Federer will be favourite. But if not closed Nadal is favourite.

What puzzles me is ive read the h2h is clay skewed. Looking at the above thats inaccurate as they have played less than half their matches on clay.

H2H is skewed because early in Fed's career, Nadal couldn't reach semi-finals and finals off clay to even give prime Fed a shot at him. Also, Federer's career has had several peaks and valleys. Federer's physical peak was 2003-2007 and after that he has been up and down. Federer is 5 years older than Nadal which is considered a tennis generation. Nadal racked up a few hard court wins when Nadal was still peak and Federer was not. Now, Nadal is past his peak and Federer is well past peak. It is amazing that they've dominated the young guys at their advanced age.

 

[Luckydog]

Hi glimmerman/alt account of Bullzillion troll.

Matches played on clay - 15

Matches played on slow HC - 10

Matches played on grass - 3

Matches played on medium-fast HC - 3

Matches played indoors - 7

25 matches on Nadal’s preferred surfaces. 13 on Federer’s. 23-15 H2H makes sense.

In fact,2004-2009 they only met 5 times outside of clay! It's ridilulous. But in 2013 Fed's darkest year in his whole career they met 5 times.What a joke! The H2H makes nonesense.If it tells something, it only tells that Nadal is the greatest dodger of all time!

 

[KINGROGER]

In fact,2004-2009 they only met 5 times outside of clay! It's ridilulous. But in 2013 Fed's darkest year in his whole career they met 5 times.What a joke! The H2H makes nonesense.If it tells something, it only tells that Nadal is the greatest dodger of all time!

Spot on.

Imagine if say they had 2 USO meetings in that time, a Cincy, a Madrid indoors, an AO (before 08) I can see another 4-5 wins for Fed including a better slam H2H.

 

[BlueClayGOAT]

Tennis was envisioned as an outdoor sport in which the sun and win play a role (that was the whole point of changing sides) so these stats prove that Nadal is the superior player by far

GOAT trolling from the TTW GOAT.

 

[BlueClayGOAT]

In fact,2004-2009 they only met 5 times outside of clay!

While it's true that Rafa rarely met Roger off clay at the latter's peak, this stat is just flat out wrong.
They met in 2004 and 2005 Miami, 06-08 Wimbledon, 06 Dubai, 06 and 07 TMC, 09 AO.

That's 9 matches.

Please check basic facts before posting.

 

[Luckydog]

While it's true that Rafa rarely met Roger off clay at the latter's peak, this stat is just flat out wrong.
They met in 2004 and 2005 Miami, 06-08 Wimbledon, 06 Dubai, 06 and 07 TMC, 09 AO.

That's 9 matches.

Please check basic facts before posting.

You are a good fact-checker. 2004-2009,how many events off clay that they should meet each other in finals as #1 and #2 respectively.And how many grass and HC titles did Fed claim during that period?

 

[BlueClayGOAT]

You are a good fact-checker. 2004-2009,how many events off clay that they should meet each other in finals as #1 and #2 respectively.And how many grass and HC titles did Fed claim during that period?

I already said I agreed with the basic sentiment of your post.

 

[kevaninho]

Which old user are you? And fed leads on hard and grass and nadal leads on clay. Nadal is 2-1 against mueller at Wimbledon, 6-1 davedenkly etc. Read old threads this has been discussed to death anal nadals general inability to win against mugs is well discussed

So you joined 2 months ago but you have all this knowledge of old threads? What old user are you ?

 

[kevaninho]

Fail. Answered your own question. Ok then h2h is outdoor skewed then

And just shows how weak nadal is. He has a matchup advantage against federer yet STILL has less AO, WIMB, US, WTF because he can’t beat the 100rh ranked player

Also because he has lost to djoker on AO, FO, WIMB, US, WTF and all shared masters. Nadal never beaten djoker at AO. Don’t make me bring up 7-0 2x without nadal winning a set of losing 7 finals consecutively or 3 consecutive slam finals

If Nadal played Djoker at this years AO he would've beaten him. You know, the same as Djoker only beat Rafa at RG when he was at his worst and Djoker at his best. Swings and roundabouts.

 

[Luckydog]

I already said I agreed with the basic sentiment of your post.

I just want the facts,budy,.Would you ?

 

[Jaitock1991]

GOAT trolling from the TTW GOAT.

But how good is he off TTW?

 

[BlueClayGOAT]

But how good is he off TTW?

Has anybody ever managed to prove that he is NOT Rod Laver? Or even Rafa himself?

 

[BlueClayGOAT]

I just want the facts,budy,.Would you ?

No, you can do that yourself. Too tedious.
But I'm sure it was a lot.

 

[TheFifthSet]

Yes, this has been broken down before... many many... MANY... times.

And the clay skew refers to the fact that, up till this year 44% of their matches had taken place on clay. Clay represents less than 25% of the calendar season.

I agree with where you're going, but the numbers are off. Clay accounts for about 1/3rd of the calendar on average.

http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/surfaceTimeline

 

[Gazelle]

I can't even bother to discuss this anymore. Let's talk about gummybears.

My favourites are the white ones.

 

[BlueClayGOAT]

I just want the facts,budy,.Would you ?

No. You can do it yourself. I'm too lazy and it's too tedious.

 

[JMR]

What puzzles me is ive read the h2h is clay skewed. Looking at the above thats inaccurate as they have played less than half their matches on clay.

Other posters already have responded to the inaccuracy of your general claim. Another important point -- and one that is typically overlooked -- is that the Federer-Nadal head-to-head is heavily "skewed" toward clay compared to the records of other elite fast-court players. Look at the careers of other top OE players with one-handed backhands and superb results at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open. How many of those guys played a clay GOAT candidate a whopping 15 times on clay? E.g., how many times did McEnroe have to face Borg on clay? Zero! How many times did Becker have to play Lendl on clay? Just once (Lendl won). How many times did Sampras have the pleasure of going up against Kuerten on clay? Zero. Just imagine the results if Pete had had to face Guga 15 times on European red stuff.

 

[Lexibra]

Other posters already have responded to the inaccuracy of your general claim. Another important point -- and one that is typically overlooked -- is that the Federer-Nadal head-to-head is heavily "skewed" toward clay compared to the records of other elite fast-court players. Look at the careers of other top OE players with one-handed backhands and superb results at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open. How many of those guys played a clay GOAT candidate a whopping 15 times on clay? E.g., how many times did McEnroe have to face Borg on clay? Zero! How many times did Becker have to play Lendl on clay? Just once (Lendl won). How many times did Sampras have the pleasure of going up against Kuerten on clay? Zero. Just imagine the results if Pete had had to face Guga 15 times on European red stuff.

The post is fact. Those are the numbers. To try and say its clay skewed is just plain wrong.

 

[-NN-]

The post is fact. Those are the numbers. To try and say its clay skewed is just plain wrong.

Nadal has an overwhelming and crushing advantage over Federer AND Djokovic in the Slams (it's actually not even close). The H2H is already damning enough but if you look at just the Slam H2H the figures become exceedingly damning and it soon becomes clear who the best of the era is.

There can only be one.


















Andy Murray

 

[Lexibra]

Fail. Answered your own question. Ok then h2h is outdoor skewed then

And just shows how weak nadal is. He has a matchup advantage against federer yet STILL has less AO, WIMB, US, WTF because he can’t beat the 100rh ranked player

Also because he has lost to djoker on AO, FO, WIMB, US, WTF and all shared masters. Nadal never beaten djoker at AO. Don’t make me bring up 7-0 2x without nadal winning a set of losing 7 finals consecutively or 3 consecutive slam finals

Yes it is outdoor skewed but all the Majors are outdoors so unless something changes Nadal has massive bragging rights 22-9.

 

[Lexibra]

Nadal has an overwhelming and crushing advantage over Federer AND Djokovic in the Slams (it's actually not even close). The H2H is already damning enough but if you look at just the Slam H2H the figures become damning and it soon becomes clear who the best of the era is.

There can only be one.


















Andy Murray

Ive not checked what is the h2h just at the majors between the three of them? Do you know? Be helpful if it was posted.

 

[peakin11mugs]

Yes it is outdoor skewed but all the Majors are outdoors so unless something changes Nadal has massive bragging rights 22-9.

If this nadal guy is so good than why is he not top 10 objectively titles won in AO, WIMB and US yet weak era fed is literally the 1st in the latter 2 and 2nd all time in the first?

Why is he not in top 10 of all hardcourt masters either yet fed is literally top 1 or top 10 in all

 

[-NN-]

Ive not checked what is the h2h just at the majors between the three of them? Do you know? Be helpful if it was posted.

Oh how innocent of you that you don't know. I can help though!

9-4 vs Djokovic and 9-3 vs Federer.


Nadal has held his own against them on his lesser preferred surfaces more or less, but crushed them on clay.

What a man.

 

[Chanwan]

I can't even bother to discuss this anymore. Let's talk about gummybears.

My favourites are the white ones.

I like the white ones too. But red (and green) are pretty good as well

 

[Lexibra]

Oh how innocent of you that you don't know. I can help though!

9-4 vs Djokovic and 9-3 vs Federer.


Nadal has held his own against them on his lesser preferred surfaces more or less, but crushed them on clay.

What a man.

Thats massive ownership. I now see why there is vitriol towards Nadal. Jealousy it appears. I didnt realise it was such a massive gap. Wow.

Thanks for posting.

 

[Lexibra]

If this nadal guy is so good than why is he not top 10 objectively titles won in AO, WIMB and US yet weak era fed is literally the 1st in the latter 2 and 2nd all time in the first?

Why is he not in top 10 of all hardcourt masters either yet fed is literally top 1 or top 10 in all

3 USO im sure is top 5. Minimum