Nadal v federer reality check

Pantera said:
I still think it wont happen...but should Nadal v Federer actually be the final i think it will be an anti climax. Despite the Federer fans confidence the reality is if Nadal plays well he will beat Federer with ease and at worse in 4 sets.

Here is why. At AO 2017, to date Federers only win over Nadal at a Major off grass, a far better Federer than now beat a far worse Nadal than now who was tired after almost a 6hr SF with a days less rest in 5 sets.

6 weeks ago Federer on his best surface took over 3 hrs beating a poor Nadal on his worse surface. Meanwhile at RG Nadal playing at about 70 per cent beat a federer red lining it with consumate ease.

All the evidence points to Nadal taking Federer down fairly routinely and id suggest wawrinka or medvedev will be a tougher final for Nadal should he make it.
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I hope you're right mate. If the final happens it will be like AO 2017 in terms of stakes. Back then it was 17 - 14 - a win for Rafa would have made it 17 - 15, but the loss made it 18 - 14. A win for Fed here is massive as it turns a potential 20 - 19 into 21 - 18.
 
Pantera said:
Federer is nowhere near his AO 2017 level. Long time since he won a Major.
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Winning a Slam doesn’t always mean playing better. As great as the 2017 AO win emotionally was, he struggled a lot against Nishikori, Wawrinka and also Nadal himself if we consider how easily he beat Nadal since then off-clay.

Do you really believe at this Wimbledon Federer was worse than at 2017 AO? And if yes, would you also say if he converted the match points?

Some people (not necessarily you) act as if Federer gets worse and worse all the time.

"In 2015 he was good, but much worse than 2012."
"In 2017 he won two Slams, but in reality he was worse than 2015."
"Now in 2019 he is much much worse than 2017."

And yet, he allows Goffin to win 4 games in 3 sets. He also dominates Miami and also Wimbledon if only he didn’t choke. I guess all the others must decline even faster then.
 
Pantera said:
I still think it wont happen...but should Nadal v Federer actually be the final i think it will be an anti climax. Despite the Federer fans confidence the reality is if Nadal plays well he will beat Federer with ease and at worse in 4 sets.

Here is why. At AO 2017, to date Federers only win over Nadal at a Major off grass, a far better Federer than now beat a far worse Nadal than now who was tired after almost a 6hr SF with a days less rest in 5 sets.

6 weeks ago Federer on his best surface took over 3 hrs beating a poor Nadal on his worse surface. Meanwhile at RG Nadal playing at about 70 per cent beat a federer red lining it with consumate ease.

All the evidence points to Nadal taking Federer down fairly routinely and id suggest wawrinka or medvedev will be a tougher final for Nadal should he make it.
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This is Federer you're taking about. Not Cilic
 
I am unsure of how it will pan out, court is playing decent speed with bounce not too low which makes me feel its the most even court which favours both equally in some way.Although if it rains and is indoors then would be favouring Federer more but in normal outdoor condition wise its equal so it will come down to on day form of both.
 
Assuming Rafa doesn't show up timid and pigeon-y like he did at Wimbledon, then yeah, Rafa's got a shot.

Gut feeling Rafa is going to show up a nervous wreck and gift Fed his 6th USO title should they meet.
 
Medvedev is the dark horse. In reality the crowd being against him doesn't make a difference in tennis because it's a sport where fans aren't allowed to make any noise during game play. If it was like any other sport then having the crowd boo and make obnoxious noises to try and distract you does make a little difference.
 
It’s tough to call! Few years ago, I would defo say Nadal would win! Now though, Feds turned the rivalry around off clay. Therefore, Rafa needs to prove he can beat fed off clay again. I think he can and I think the us open is the best place for him to do it!

Rafa has recent success at us open that will help his confidence more. Fed has not won it since 2008, so Rafa of late has that winning edge over fed at us open! However, as they never played here it’s really hard to say! I’d say it’s 50-50, i honestly can’t split them!
 
Tommy Haas said:
Medvedev is the dark horse. In reality the crowd being against him doesn't make a difference in tennis because it's a sport where fans aren't allowed to make any noise during game play. If it was like any other sport then having the crowd boo and make obnoxious noises to try and distract you does make a little difference.
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I agree. If anyone can prevent the Federer v Nadal final it’s Medvedev. I can’t see Stan beat fed! Also, can’t see anyone on Rafas side stopping him getting to final. Cilic was his biggest test and he passed it.

Medvedev has been the form player in summer hard courts and seems to have a lot of edge about him. I’m looking forward to his match with Stan, could be epic!
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
I agree. If anyone can prevent the Federer v Nadal final it’s Medvedev. I can’t see Stan beat fed! Also, can’t see anyone on Rafas side stopping him getting to final. Cilic was his biggest test and he passed it.

Medvedev has been the form player in summer hard courts and seems to have a lot of edge about him. I’m looking forward to his match with Stan, could be epic!
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Federer is the wrong guy for Medvedev to trouble with his game. Even though Stan never beat Federer off-clay I think if he has a very good day he CAN beat him in Best of 5. For Medvedev I don’t see much chances.
 
Sentinel said:
at least we are not saying Federer will win with ease.
You are, so excuses are expected !

Nadal has been playing well, winning a Masters since WO. Fed has played crappy.
So we aren't exactly bleating about a Fed win like your team is about Bull.
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A couple of your fanbase are
 
titoelcolombiano said:
I hope you're right mate. If the final happens it will be like AO 2017 in terms of stakes. Back then it was 17 - 14 - a win for Rafa would have made it 17 - 15, but the loss made it 18 - 14. A win for Fed here is massive as it turns a potential 20 - 19 into 21 - 18.
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Well long way to go still really and alot can change before final.
 
Fed won all of their hard court matches since Basel. The most recent encounter at the Wimbledon SF was nails biting in the first two sets but Fed destroyed Nadal in the last two sets. Did Nadal play poorly? I didn’t see obvious evidence. At least Nadal played far better than his AO final vs Djokovic.
 
Third Serve said:
Wrong title.

"Nadal v Federer warped reality check"

Come on, this is complete guesswork. Admit it. Nobody knows what's going to happen, which is why so many TTW predictions end up the way they do.
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lol OP had to gloss over the fact that Fed beat Rafa in a major SF just a few weeks ago..but only in another reality could it happen again!
 
Tennis_Hands said:
Medvedev is on his last legs. He played too much after Wimbledon. He is wrapped like a Christmas present going on court. If they remove all the tape he will fall apart.

:cool:
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unfortunately this is true.
and Federer won't give him the rhythm he gets from other players.
 
moonballs said:
Fed won all of their hard court matches since Basel. The most recent encounter at the Wimbledon SF was nails biting in the first two sets but Fed destroyed Nadal in the last two sets. Did Nadal play poorly? I didn’t see obvious evidence. At least Nadal played far better than his AO final vs Djokovic.
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Yeah the second set was a real nail biter!
 
Last Grand Slam of the decade. Fitting if Roger and Rafa meet in the final in the only Slam they have never played against each other.
 
TU87 said:
Last Grand Slam of the decade. Fitting if Roger and Rafa meet in the final in the only Slam they have never played against each other.
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if the counting starts with 1, then the decade starts with 1 as well and ends with 10, so then it is 11 - 20, 21 -30.
 
Pantera said:
I still think it wont happen...but should Nadal v Federer actually be the final i think it will be an anti climax. Despite the Federer fans confidence the reality is if Nadal plays well he will beat Federer with ease and at worse in 4 sets.

Here is why. At AO 2017, to date Federers only win over Nadal at a Major off grass, a far better Federer than now beat a far worse Nadal than now who was tired after almost a 6hr SF with a days less rest in 5 sets.

6 weeks ago Federer on his best surface took over 3 hrs beating a poor Nadal on his worse surface. Meanwhile at RG Nadal playing at about 70 per cent beat a federer red lining it with consumate ease.

All the evidence points to Nadal taking Federer down fairly routinely and id suggest wawrinka or medvedev will be a tougher final for Nadal should he make it.
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Couldn't disagree anymore with this. Federer has had Nadal's number for a while now on hard courts winning their last 5 encounters, 3 of which were post Oz Open 17 in which you sited Nadal tiredness as the reason for his loss. 3 straight set dominating wins in fact.

Federer also didn't exactly toil to his Wimbledon win either. 4 sets win is fairly comfortable and 3hrs isn't a particularly long BO5 match either.

As for the FO, again this is Nadal on clay which is vastly different to hard courts. The match incidentally was also a complete non event because of the conditions that day.

I'm not saying that Federer will definitely beat Nadal should they meet but for me, Federer would be favourite. Nadal is further away from his peak than Federer is from his in my view.

Were I do agree with you is that I also feel that there is a big chance that this final won't happen anyway. Both still have 2 more matches to get there. I think Federer will get through Dimitrov but Stan or Medvedev will be tough. Medvedev seems to be playing out of his skin right now and though Fed has a good record against Stan that will still be tough if Stanimal mode is on which it has been so far.
 
blablavla said:
if the counting starts with 1, then the decade starts with 1 as well and ends with 10, so then it is 11 - 20, 21 -30.
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It's like age when you reach your 50th birthday you have completed 50 years, and you are starting your 51st year. 2020 will be the start of the 2021st year AD. Counting starts at 0, 0-9,10-19,20-29, etc.
 
Pantera said:
I still think it wont happen...but should Nadal v Federer actually be the final i think it will be an anti climax. Despite the Federer fans confidence the reality is if Nadal plays well he will beat Federer with ease and at worse in 4 sets.

Here is why. At AO 2017, to date Federers only win over Nadal at a Major off grass, a far better Federer than now beat a far worse Nadal than now who was tired after almost a 6hr SF with a days less rest in 5 sets.

6 weeks ago Federer on his best surface took over 3 hrs beating a poor Nadal on his worse surface. Meanwhile at RG Nadal playing at about 70 per cent beat a federer red lining it with consumate ease.

All the evidence points to Nadal taking Federer down fairly routinely and id suggest wawrinka or medvedev will be a tougher final for Nadal should he make it.
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People will always point to the overall head to head, but what have you done for me lately? The reality is Fed is 6-1 against Nadal over the past two seasons, when Nadal has played, arguably, his best tennis.
 
The Safinator said:
People will always point to the overall head to head, but what have you done for me lately? The reality is Fed is 6-1 against Nadal over the past two seasons, when Nadal has played, arguably, his best tennis.
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Best of 5 sets all that matters when it comes to predicting Major results...on HC Nadal 3-1 federer
 
Terry Tibbs said:
Couldn't disagree anymore with this. Federer has had Nadal's number for a while now on hard courts winning their last 5 encounters, 3 of which were post Oz Open 17 in which you sited Nadal tiredness as the reason for his loss. 3 straight set dominating wins in fact.

Federer also didn't exactly toil to his Wimbledon win either. 4 sets win is fairly comfortable and 3hrs isn't a particularly long BO5 match either.

As for the FO, again this is Nadal on clay which is vastly different to hard courts. The match incidentally was also a complete non event because of the conditions that day.

I'm not saying that Federer will definitely beat Nadal should they meet but for me, Federer would be favourite. Nadal is further away from his peak than Federer is from his in my view.

Were I do agree with you is that I also feel that there is a big chance that this final won't happen anyway. Both still have 2 more matches to get there. I think Federer will get through Dimitrov but Stan or Medvedev will be tough. Medvedev seems to be playing out of his skin right now and though Fed has a good record against Stan that will still be tough if Stanimal mode is on which it has been so far.
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I think over 3 sets on HC Federer probably would be favourite. But over 5 sets i cannot see him beating Nadal on evidence of W and FO. Nadal had he got that BP in final game probably would have won in 5 as Federer was struggling physically. Thats on grass.

However federer has another major problem. His SF is going to be brutal and that is going to put some preasure on him today to take care of his bunny Grigor quickly.

Medvedev is a wall and will take alot out of federer and Stan will make him run alot. So come the final whether Federer has much left should he get there is a moot point.

As for Nadal, Cilic was a massive test. I was only one who said nadal and djokovic would have problems and i said one would lose. Reason being is no matter what their form...an ex champion under lights at their fav slam will raise their game always. I really dont see anyone now stopping Nadal until final.

Do i see nadal winning whole thing? Its hard to say as whoever he gets in final will be ultra confident unless they are gassed after SF. There r 4 potential worthy winners left in draw imo
 
papertank said:
Nadal hasn't beaten Federer off clay in 5 years. 6 matches in a row. That's the reality check.
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i love when that 5 year thing is brought up. 5 of the 6 were in 2017 and this year he won 1 match at Wimbledon.:-D And the one major on hard court went 5 sets with rafa being up a break in the 5th.
 
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