Nadal voted 2021 Laureus World Sportsman Of The Year

tudwell

Legend
See, I wouldn’t have minded either way, I see a case for both players in both years. Just like I did for the 2017 award going to Roger.

At least we’re consistent, but I’ll wager you called no one delusional in 2020 for saying Novak edged it out in 2019...
I don’t know. To me, 2016, 2017, and 2019 are all closer than 2020 when it comes to debating who the “real” best player was. In 2019 and 2017 the top two players’ achievements are almost identical. But last year, Djokovic outdid Nadal to the tune of two Masters titles and an extra slam final. That’s a pretty sizable difference to me.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I don’t know. To me, 2016, 2017, and 2019 are all closer than 2020 when it comes to debating who the “real” best player was. In 2019 and 2017 the top two players’ achievements are almost identical. But last year, Djokovic outdid Nadal to the tune of two Masters titles and an extra slam final. That’s a pretty sizable difference to me.
Tying the slam record and bageling said player evens up Rafa skipping the USO and Cincy (which one one of the weakest masters wins of all time)
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
I’m not “crying” about it. Good for Nadal. Not that he needs it in any case.

but I find it ridiculous that Nadal would win in a year when he’s not even close to being the best in his own field. That’s all.

and why would there be any sour grapes? Novak already has four of these awards, whatever they may be worth

Djokovic fans should actually be flattered. Laureus voters clearly give more weight to Nadal totally destroying him in a Grand Slam final than winning a few more titles or ending as world no.1 in a Covid affected season.

I doubt Rafa wins this if he just routined someone like Schwartzman in the final. The entire sporting world saw Nadal crush someone who many feel has his own case to be a tennis GOAT in one of the sports biggest events. That is HUGE. It's the Tennis equivalent of Muhammad Ali destroying George Foreman or Joe Frazier to win the heavyweight boxing title.

The significance of Nadal's slam victory, the significance of his opponent and the manner in which he did it obviously made a huge impact on the sporting community. The fact that some Novak fans can't see that, says more about them.
 

GabeT

Legend
Djokovic fans should actually be flattered. Laureus voters clearly give more weight to Nadal totally destroying him in a Grand Slam final than winning a few more titles or ending as world no.1 in a Covid affected season.

I doubt Rafa wins this if he just routined someone like Schwartzman in the final. The entire sporting world saw Nadal crush someone who many feel has his own case to be a tennis GOAT. It's the Tennis equivalent of Muhammad Ali destroying George Foreman or Joe Frazier to win the heavyweight boxing title.

The significance of Nadal's slam victory, the opponent and the manner in which he did it obviously made a huge impact on the sporting community. The fact that some Novak fans can't see that, says more about them.
If destroying another player in a slam final were reason to win the award Novak should have received it last year for the 2019 season. Nadal won even less points against Novak in AO19 than Novak did in the FO20 final. Talk about a destruction.

but that would make no sense. Novak was not even the best player in 2019 just like Nadal wasn’t the best in 2020.
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
If destroying another player in a slam final were reason to win the award Novak should have received it last year for the 2019 season. Nadal won even less points against Novak in AO19 than Novak did in the FO20 final. Talk about a destruction.

This just seems bitter now. They voted for players from other sports last year. A tennis player can't/won't win every year, no matter how good a season or how impressive an achievement they had. It probably helped Nadal that there was less sport happening due to Covid-19, and that the French Open was postponed to later in the year, so his achievement in crushing Djokovic at the French Open final didn't get drowned out or forgotten by other sports stories or achievements in the year. If last year had been an Olympic year as it was supposed to be, Nadal probably doesn't win.

Luck of the draw that world events helped Nadal's victory feel even more significant. You really should try and get over this instead of letting it eat you up.
 

JaoSousa

Hall of Fame
This is incorrect. Djokovic won in 2015 for his 2014 season. The winner in 2014 was an F1 driver. I’m all for trolling but it’s important to get the facts right.



Yeah I read the Wikipedia article wrong. His 2014 was actually pretty good, winning the WTF and Wimbledon and 4 masters. He really only under performed grossly in the North American Summer Hard Court Swing.
 

GabeT

Legend
This just seems bitter now. They voted for players from other sports last year. A tennis player can't/won't win every year, no matter how good a season or how impressive an achievement they had. It probably helped Nadal that there was less sport happening due to Covid-19, and that the French Open was postponed to later in the year, so his achievement in crushing Djokovic at the French Open final didn't get drowned out or forgotten by other sports stories or achievements in the year. If last year had been an Olympic year as it was supposed to be, Nadal probably doesn't win.

Luck of the draw that world events helped Nadal's victory feel even more significant. You really should try and get over this instead of letting it eat you up.
Novak has four of these, Nadal just won his second. trust me, I’m ok. (and please don’t mention the “best supporting actor” awards. We are talking about sportsman of the year)

but none of this changes the fact that Nadal wasn’t even the top tennis player in 2020
 

Keizer

Hall of Fame
This is notwithstanding the fact that the other guys on this list were robbed. Hamilton’s 7th championship, LeBron winning the NBA finals in the lockout shortened season and Cheptegei breaking two world records that both had stood for 10+ years in the 5K and 10K are far more legitimate accomplishments that anything any individual tennis star did this year.
 
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octogon

Hall of Fame
This is notwithstanding the fact that the other guys on this list were robbed. Hamilton’s 7th championship, LeBron winning the NBA finals in the lockout shortened season and Cheptegei breaking two world records that both had stood for 10+ years in the 5K and 10K are far more legitimate accomplishments that anything any individual tennis star did this year.
Why is Hamilton's 7th Championship more of a deal than Nadal's 20th slam? They both matched all-time marks in their sports last year, but Rafa doesn't rely on 500 million dollar car to do it.

In a way, it is fitting that Nadal got the Laureus as an award for equalling the Grand Slam record, because for whatever reason (probably Covid-19) he did not get the same fanfare Federer did when he matched the Grand Slam record. The Laureus puts into perspective how monumental what Rafa did was.
 

Sunny014

Hall of Fame
Congrats to Nadal for winning the award for the second time.

Still a long way to become the GOAT now.

Roger GOATerer - 5 Times winner
Novak Djokovic - 4 Times winner
Rafael Nadal - 2 Times winner
 

Keizer

Hall of Fame
Why is Hamilton's 7th Championship more of a deal than Nadal's 20th slam? They both matched all-time marks in their sports last year, but Rafa doesn't rely on 500 million dollar car to do it.

In a way, it is fitting that Nadal got the Laureus as an award for equalling the Grand Slam record, because for whatever reason (probably Covid-19) he did not get the same fanfare Federer did when he matched the Grand Slam record. The Laureus puts into perspective how monumental what Rafa did was.
Because he was the best athlete in his sport for the time frame. Nadal clearly wasn’t. The equivalent would have been for Hamilton to have gotten this award for breaking the all time mark in Total Grand Prix wins even if he didn’t win the championship that year.
 

Sunny014

Hall of Fame
Hamilton winning a champion can only be equalled by someone in tennis winning at least 2 slams in an year.

Djokovic missed this chance to do it in 2020.
 

Bumbaliceps

Semi-Pro
Given how focused on results you seem to be, I suppose you are one of the many people who are invested in the slam count. The slam count is the most important record in tennis, which is the most popular individual sport.

I think you should be able to agree that when some dude gets this record, many people will consider it as the best sporting feature of the year. You keep repeating "He is not even the best tennis player of the year" but what if you thought outside this box and realize that last year, Nadal has gotten the most important record in tennis, and furthermore did it in dominant fashion ?

By the way, Nadal did not receive the award of the best sportsman of the year. He received the award of the sportsman of the year. This is subtle but there is a difference in meaning, you could understand this as something along the lines of "which sportsman will we remember most this year?" This award does not depend on stats and hard results. The whole tennis world is obsessed by the slam count, so Nadal getting the award of the sportsman of the year shouldn't be that controversial.
 

N01E

Hall of Fame
I didn’t mind it either, for me Roger owned the H2H particularly their important AO final.

This year is a bit of a closer call, but the slam final H2H carried the day. Which I honestly agree with as Novak’s two M1000 wins were not against world beaters.

I think to say there’s no question that a 1 slam winner was the best player when he lost handily in his other slam final is an lol. He better have swept some impressive masters wins or at least win WTF to make that claim.
You do realize you're picking LOSING against Schwartzman in the QF and Zverev in the SF over WIN. Nadal didn't even make it to the final, not even a semi final. Apparently winning 2/3 M1000 is not good enough compared to 0/3. I get it, you like Rafa but that is no excuse to keep ignoring every event he lost.
 

Sunny014

Hall of Fame
Had the WImbledon not been cancelled or even if Novak had not hit that lady's throat at the USO he would have won this award.

Easily 2-3 slams belonged to Novak in 2020 and it would have been Novak who would have reached 20 slams with 3 wins in the year and the AO next year, Today he would have been a worthy winner with 4 out of the last 5 slams won.

Novak threw away this award and Corona also spoiled his chances.
 

Gizo

Hall of Fame
This is notwithstanding the fact that the other guys on this list were robbed. Hamilton’s 7th championship, LeBron winning the NBA finals in the lockout shortened season and Cheptegei breaking two world records that both had stood for 10+ years in the 5K and 10K are far more legitimate accomplishments that anything any individual tennis star did this year.
I agree. Nadal and Djokovic still had impressive years in 2020 of course, as any year in which a player wins a grand slam title is automatically a successful one, but neither of them deserved to win the Sportsman award IMO - and I completely understand why Djokovic wasn't nominated in the first place (I think) given the numerous controversial incidents he was involved in during the year.

As you said in your posts, while both Hamilton and Nadal equaled a big record in 2020, the difference is that Hamilton also dominated his sport in 2020 while Nadal didn't.

And I think that Lebron winning a NBA championship with a 3rd different franchise, one that were a complete shambles and laughing stock for several years before he joined, also clearly tops any men's tennis achievements in 2020 IMO. While basketball is a team sport but it is the most individualistic one around.

I also think that Lewandowski's 2020 with his insane individual goal scoring and winning every trophy in sight with Bayern was clearly superior than either Nadal or Djokovic's.
 

Sunny014

Hall of Fame
Not everyone is blessed with a weakera.

This is Rafa's 2nd Laureus Award. Rafa should have won it in 2008.
Weakling with a game that is unsuited for low bounce cannot make any era weak.

You should have the power to make an era look weak.

Federer and even Novak (to some extent) have done that, this clay pony nadal was unable do that
 

Sunny014

Hall of Fame
Nadal will also win the 2022 Laureus World Sportsman Of The Year award, via winning the year-end-#1 and taking sole possession of the slam record, that I can tell you.
Stefanos will be the French Open champion 2021.

I am posting this from the future.
 

AniaPova

New User
Laureus is not ATP Ranking and has never represented ATP or any tennis organization.

Rafa made a huge milestone for the sport and tennis in 2020 by winning 20th GS title and matching with Federer to hold a GS record.
They decided he should have won award this year for this incredible achievement, end of story.

Btw. Rafa was denied this award many times before after a marvelous seasons he had.
 
Hats of to Rafa for historic 13th Roland Garros and equaling the record of 20th majors. Laures award is acknowledged to that achievement.

 
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thrust

Hall of Fame
The voting takes into account 2020 results. His destruction of Novak Djokovic at the 2020 French Open was the single most impressive performance in tennis in the 2020 season (and probably hurt Djokovic's own case for the accolade). Nadal also matched the most important record in tennis with his 20th Grand Slam. Based on both those things, he was the clear and obvious choice from the Tennis world.
NONSENSE!
 

Enceladus

Legend
This is the most undeserved Laureus Award after Serena per year 2017. :mad:(n)

When I learned that Nadal had received the Laureus Award, I took it as a bad joke. After all, Nadal was not even the best tennis player of 2020, apart from RG he won only 500 in Acapulco, Djoker has better results in 2020. And as for the claim that appeared in this thread from Nadal Fans that Nadal won the award thanks to the equalize of the grandslam record, Laureus is an award for one particular year, not for a all career! Federer didn't receive Laureus Award per year 2009, although he equaled and broke Sampras' previous record.
 
This is the most undeserved Laureus Award after Serena per year 2017. :mad:(n)

When I learned that Nadal had received the Laureus Award, I took it as a bad joke. After all, Nadal was not even the best tennis player of 2020, apart from RG he won only 500 in Acapulco, Djoker has better results in 2020. And as for the claim that appeared in this thread from Nadal Fans that Nadal won the award thanks to the equalize of the grandslam record, Laureus is an award for one particular year, not for a all career! Federer didn't receive Laureus Award per year 2009, although he equaled and broke Sampras' previous record.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Had the WImbledon not been cancelled or even if Novak had not hit that lady's throat at the USO he would have won this award.

Easily 2-3 slams belonged to Novak in 2020 and it would have been Novak who would have reached 20 slams with 3 wins in the year and the AO next year, Today he would have been a worthy winner with 4 out of the last 5 slams won.

Novak threw away this award and Corona also spoiled his chances.
5 pages don't change the fact that Nadal wasn't even the best player of his sport.

Djokovic won AO, had another F, had two masters out of the miniscule amount of tennis played.
This is the most undeserved Laureus Award after Serena per year 2017. :mad:(n)

When I learned that Nadal had received the Laureus Award, I took it as a bad joke. After all, Nadal was not even the best tennis player of 2020, apart from RG he won only 500 in Acapulco, Djoker has better results in 2020. And as for the claim that appeared in this thread from Nadal Fans that Nadal won the award thanks to the equalize of the grandslam record, Laureus is an award for one particular year, not for a all career! Federer didn't receive Laureus Award per year 2009, although he equaled and broke Sampras' previous record.
 

Nole_King

Professional
Funny, even the Laureus Twitter account is basically repeating what I said. Nadal won this for destroying another GOAT candidate in a Grand Slam final and equalling the Grand Slam record.

Shame there have yet to be any classy Djokovic fans on this thread (so far) who just congratulate Nadal on this award and keep it moving.

So would Nadal have got it if say Djokovic would have lost in SF?
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
So would Nadal have got it if say Djokovic would have lost in SF?
I think I answered this somewhere else....probably not. Destroying another GOAT contender in the final made the magnitude of the achievement feel even greater and more epic. Routining Schwartzman in the final wouldn't have had the same impact, imho.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
So now I’m reading a bit more. This particular award Nadal won once before, for his 2010 season. Novak won it 4 times (2011, 14, 15, and 19). And now Nadal wins it for the season he finished second???

LOL.
Didn't Djokovic also finish second in 2019? Why didn't you cry about it then?
 

topher

Professional
I don’t know. To me, 2016, 2017, and 2019 are all closer than 2020 when it comes to debating who the “real” best player was. In 2019 and 2017 the top two players’ achievements are almost identical. But last year, Djokovic outdid Nadal to the tune of two Masters titles and an extra slam final. That’s a pretty sizable difference to me.
I’ll agree 2017 is much more debatable. However to me 2019 is about as close as 2020 was

2019: Rafa led Novak by 1 slam final, 1 Davis Cup title, better slam and overall win%, tied at masters. Lost slam final to Novak convincingly.

2020: Novak led Rafa by 1 slam final, 1 ATP Cup, 2 M1000s titles, better overall win% but worse slam win%. Lost slam final to Rafa convincingly.

And none of that takes into account that 2020 was a pandemic year in which Rafa had a very justifiable reason (to some at least) to play less events and less tennis than Novak. I do believe the Laureus committee took that factor into account, whether you agree with it or not.
 

tudwell

Legend
I’ll agree 2017 is much more debatable. However to me 2019 is about as close as 2020 was

2019: Rafa led Novak by 1 slam final, 1 Davis Cup title, better slam and overall win%, tied at masters. Lost slam final to Novak convincingly.

2020: Novak led Rafa by 1 slam final, 1 ATP Cup, 2 M1000s titles, better overall win% but worse slam win%. Lost slam final to Rafa convincingly.

And none of that takes into account that 2020 was a pandemic year in which Rafa had a very justifiable reason (to some at least) to play less events and less tennis than Novak. I do believe the Laureus committee took that factor into account, whether you agree with it or not.
Ah, I always forget about Davis Cup. That was an impressive performance. Nadal was the deserving number one in 2019, for sure, and the margin was a little bigger than I was thinking, but I still think the margin was even bigger in 2020. Last year, there were 7 big events played - 3 Masters, 3 slams, 1 WTF - and Nadal won exactly one of them. Not only that, he only made the final at one of them. Djokovic made the final at 4 of the 7, winning 3. That's massive, if you look at it by percentages. It was a reduced schedule, so the difference of one Masters title or one slam final seems amplified to me. There's fewer other opportunities to make up for one that's lost. But that's just how I think of it.

Thank you for the informative and respectful conversation! (y)
 

topher

Professional
Ah, I always forget about Davis Cup. That was an impressive performance. Nadal was the deserving number one in 2019, for sure, and the margin was a little bigger than I was thinking, but I still think the margin was even bigger in 2020. Last year, there were 7 big events played - 3 Masters, 3 slams, 1 WTF - and Nadal won exactly one of them. Not only that, he only made the final at one of them. Djokovic made the final at 4 of the 7, winning 3. That's massive, if you look at it by percentages. It was a reduced schedule, so the difference of one Masters title or one slam final seems amplified to me. There's fewer other opportunities to make up for one that's lost. But that's just how I think of it.
Fair enough. Alternatively the limited selection of titles was due to a pandemic, during which Rafa chose not to play some. So Novak should have a much bigger lead than in 2019 you’d hope since he played a higher percentage.

And lumping the 3 slams in with the other 4 events needs a caveat, as not all events are created equal. One might say with Rafa missing events Novak needed to build up a bigger lead (either win WTF, win USO or at least final of USO, something like that) than he did to make it beyond debate as Novak fans are alleging is the case.

What it comes down to probably is I (and perhaps Laureus) just don’t value those M1000s as highly as others do, and perhaps I am rating slam H2H wins and win% higher.
 
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tudwell

Legend
Fair enough. Alternatively the limited selection of titles was due to a pandemic, during which Rafa chose not to play some. So Novak should have a much bigger lead than in 2019 you’d hope since he played a higher percentage.

And lumping the 3 slams in with the other 4 events needs a caveat, as not all events are created equal. One might say with Rafa missing events Novak needed to build up a bigger lead (either win WTF, USO, something like that) than he did to make it beyond debate as Novak fans are alleging is the case.
Yeah, Nadal skipping the events isn't the end of the world for his case as best player. Fed skipped all of clay in 2017 but still has a reasonable case to be considered the top player in my opinion. If Nadal had thoroughly outperformed Djokovic outside that New York swing, that'd be one thing, but Djokovic was at least a little bit better even if we ignore the New York swing (Djokovic going 1 W 1 F at the slams compared to Nadal's 1 W and 1 QF, plus the Masters title, the unbeaten stretch to start the year, top 10 wins, etc.).

But it's true 2020 is just a weird year and it's hard to know exactly how to put the results in the context of a "normal" tennis year. The year-end number-one ranking, for example, is pretty much universally agreed to be less impressive than a usual year's year-end number-one ranking.
 
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