Nadal vs Berdych/Soderling drama

Terr said:
Hate to bother you with this, but can you explain it all to me? I can't get to youtube for another 2 weeks. :(
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Well you probably know that Nadal and Berdych/Soderling don't get along. Nadal was playing Berdych at Shanghai (i think) and Berdych won and as they were heading to the net, Berdych made some gestures to the crowd, wiping the dirt off his shoulder type thing that were meant to just to get the crowd to like him but Nadal mistook it as disrespect and had some words for Berdych as they shook hands.

At Wimbledon, Nadal was about to serve when Soderling walked off the court to change his racket (which wasn't broken) and didn't let Nadal know so when Nadal looked up to toss, Soderling was already rumaging through his bag.

Soderling came back to return and as Nadal was doing his serve prep, he stopped and walked around a bit as a "i can do it too" type thing. Soderling then also started walking around and then picked his butt like Nadal does (making fun of him). It was extremely disrespectful considering Nadal's family was there and just too far.

Just my take on the situation.
 
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Nadalfan89 said:
Well you probably know that Nadal and Berdych/Soderling don't get along. Nadal was playing Berdych at Shanghai (i think) and Berdych won and as they were heading to the net, Berdych made some gestures to the crowd, wiping the dirt off his shoulder type thing that were meant to just to get the crowd to like him but Nadal mistook it as disrespect and had some words for Berdych as they shook hands.

At Wimbledon, Nadal was about to serve when Soderling walked off the court to change his racket (which wasn't broken) and didn't let Nadal know so when Nadal looked up to toss, Soderling was already rumaging through his bag.

Soderling came back to return and as Nadal was doing his serve prep, he stopped and walked around a bit as a "i can do it too" type thing. Soderling then also started walking around and then picked his butt like Nadal does (making fun of him). It was extremely disrespectful considering Nadal's family was there and just too far.
Just my take on the situation.
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At Wimbledon, Nadal was about to serve when Soderling was instructed by the umpire to the fact that there was ball change walked off the court to change his racket because of ball changeyou know... wich is if you are not as ignorant to tennis as NF89 something that happens every 7 games, and didn't let Nadal know because he didnt have to, so when Nadal looked up to toss, Soderling was already rumaging through his bag, because he did it very fast.

Soderling came back to return and as Nadal was doing his serve prep, he stopped and walked around a bit as a "i can do it too" type thing, you know... his usual BS.... and then what he did really unlike NF89 lie, is that Nadal started his Endless Serve Motion and stoped in the air shouting to Soderling: "New Balls". Soderling then also started walking around and then picked his butt like Nadal does (making fun of him). It was extremely disrespectful considering Nadal's family was there and just too far.

and this is my take...
 
Nadalfan89 said:
Well you probably know that Nadal and Berdych/Soderling don't get along. Nadal was playing Berdych at Shanghai (i think) and Berdych won and as they were heading to the net, Berdych made some gestures to the crowd, wiping the dirt off his shoulder type thing that were meant to just to get the crowd to like him but Nadal mistook it as disrespect and had some words for Berdych as they shook hands.
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I think it was in Barcelona or Madrid, actually. I'm pretty sure I remember this incident; it was Nadal's home crowd and they were VERY vocal, hence Berdych's "shh" gestures to the crowd. I think anyone would be ticked at someone telling your home crowd to shut it, AFTER they've already won. During a match is one thing, but once the match is over is just disrespectful. Nadal said something along the lines of "That was a very bad thing to do, very bad" to Berdych at the net, who took a double-take look at Nadal.
 
Gorecki said:
At Wimbledon, Nadal was about to serve when Soderling was instructed by the umpire to the fact that there was ball change walked off the court to change his racket because of ball changeyou know... wich is if you are not as ignorant to tennis as NF89 something that happens every 7 games, and didn't let Nadal know because he didnt have to, so when Nadal looked up to toss, Soderling was already rumaging through his bag, because he did it very fast.

Soderling came back to return and as Nadal was doing his serve prep, he stopped and walked around a bit as a "i can do it too" type thing, you know... his usual BS.... and then what he did really unlike NF89 lie, is that Nadal started his Endless Serve Motion and stoped in the air shouting to Soderling: "New Balls". Soderling then also started walking around and then picked his butt like Nadal does (making fun of him). It was extremely disrespectful considering Nadal's family was there and just too far.

and this is my take...
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Lol! Soderling that ******* Nadal's family will never forgive him.
 
@Gorecki,what does this mean:"Nadal was about to serve when Soderling was instructed by the umpire to the fact that there was ball change walked off the court to change his racket because of ball change you know... wich is if you are not as ignorant to tennis as NF89 something that happens every 7 games, and didn't let Nadal know because he didnt have to, so when Nadal looked up to toss, Soderling was already rumaging through his bag, because he did it very fast."

Are you suggesting that Soderling didn't acknowledge the fact that there were new balls until the umpire told him? How did Nadal know then? And if he found out later it's a matter of common sense to alert your opponent that you aren't there when he is going to serve,because you are going to get a new racket.It's disrespectful to say the least.

Nadal started his new ball routine as a pun towards soderling,because soderling supposedly didn't know that there were new balls but after being informed of this he just stormed off to get a new racket instead of letting his opponent know to stop his service motion because he is not there to receive.
If he had informed Rafa I'm sure Nadal wouldn't ahve pulled that one on Soderling.

In the end it could have just been a misunderstanding but Soderling carried on and it turned into a childish stand-off between the two.

Look,berdych and soderling are *******s and they know it. I don't particularly have a problem with it but these 2 gestures are disrespectful,first to the Madrid crowd,then to Nadal.What was berdych's problem with the Madrid crowd? So they were noisy and they were pulling for Nadal.Wow,big shock there.He silenced them just by beating Nadal but no,he had to go the extra mile,and pull the shut up gesture making the crowd hate him even more.That's why Nadal confronted him.You don't do stuff like that on a tennis court,not if you have class anyway.
 
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namelessone said:
@Gorecki,what does this mean:"Nadal was about to serve when Soderling was instructed by the umpire to the fact that there was ball change walked off the court to change his racket because of ball change you know... wich is if you are not as ignorant to tennis as NF89 something that happens every 7 games, and didn't let Nadal know because he didnt have to, so when Nadal looked up to toss, Soderling was already rumaging through his bag, because he did it very fast."

Are you suggesting that Soderling didn't acknowledge the fact that there were new balls until the umpire told him? How did Nadal know then? And if he found out later it's a matter of common sense to alert your opponent that you aren't there when he is going to serve,because you are going to get a new racket.It's disrespectful to say the least.

Nadal started his new ball routine as a pun towards soderling,because soderling supposedly didn't know that there were new balls but after being informed of this he just stormed off to get a new racket instead of letting his opponent know to stop his service motion because he is not there to receive.
If he had informed Rafa I'm sure Nadal wouldn't ahve pulled that one on Soderling.

In the end it could have just been a misunderstanding but Soderling carried on and it turned into a childish stand-off between the two.

Look,berdych and soderling are *******s and they know it. I don't particularly have a problem with it but these 2 gestures are disrespectful,first to the Madrid crowd,then to Nadal.What was berdych's problem with the Madrid crowd? So they were noisy and they were pulling for Nadal.Wow,big shock there.He silenced them just by beating Nadal but no,he had to go the extra mile,and pull the shut up gesture making the crowd hate him even more.That's why Nadal confronted him.You don't do stuff like that on a tennis court,not if you have class anyway.
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what i mean is that you cant distort the truth like MR NADALFAN89 did there...

just that!:)
 
im not that much of a nadal fan but even i can acknowledge both incidents were not really his wrongs

1. i'd be annoyed too if someone gestured a shhh (almost like a shut up) to my home crowd. its normal for a crowd to support their own player, nothing wrong with that

2. soderling should've at least let nadal know, whether he has to or not its just common sense
 
Gorecki, I don't know why you keep saying that he was instructed by the umpire.

Also, the ball change is not every 7 games. It is after the first 7, then every 9 after that.

Gorecki said:
At Wimbledon, Nadal was about to serve when Soderling was instructed by the umpire to the fact that there was ball change walked off the court to change his racket because of ball changeyou know... wich is if you are not as ignorant to tennis as NF89 something that happens every 7 games, and didn't let Nadal know because he didnt have to, so when Nadal looked up to toss, Soderling was already rumaging through his bag, because he did it very fast.

Soderling came back to return and as Nadal was doing his serve prep, he stopped and walked around a bit as a "i can do it too" type thing, you know... his usual BS.... and then what he did really unlike NF89 lie, is that Nadal started his Endless Serve Motion and stoped in the air shouting to Soderling: "New Balls". Soderling then also started walking around and then picked his butt like Nadal does (making fun of him). It was extremely disrespectful considering Nadal's family was there and just too far.

and this is my take...
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Oops I didn't really know too much about the Berdych incident, just commented on what I saw.

Ok shushing a guy's home crowd is bad too...
 
Come on, you have to be very uptight to be pissed of by such manners. I am sure Söderling's act was meant as a joke, maybe he had seen some of Djokovic's impersonations on YouTube, and he was grabbed by the moment, because Nadal says "New balls" when he is just about to serve and the crowd starts to laugh. Nadal is not the Queen of England and thereby be able to see the irony. If I had been Nadal - or some of his family watching, I would have grinned. But maybe that's just me and my easy-going behavior.
 
woodrow1029 said:
Gorecki, I don't know why you keep saying that he was instructed by the umpire.

Also, the ball change is not every 7 games. It is after the first 7, then every 9 after that.
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like i said Wood... if we are going to distort the truth like the OP so be it.

The OP gravely disorted the truth...

but to be completly honest, i was watching the game at the time and indeed it was the umpire who told soderling that they just had changed ball because the ump took notice on Soderling's distraction, where Soderling on his own decision left the court.

why the ump did that? dont know. you must have a much better answer for that, since you know the rules as a insider.

besides, if you notice, Soderling was already there when Mr OCD decided it was time to get up and serve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwvgnYDTTQ0

as for your correction on the change every 9 games, you are indeed correct.
 
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Soderling was getting a new racquet due to the ball change. There was nothing wrong with what he did (what he did was indeed legitimate). What Nadal did was wrong and he instigated the whole thing. Nadal fans will defend him to the ends, but this is an incident that was indeed started by Nadal first.
 
I watched that Nadal Berdych match live and that crowd was horrible and totally deserved and prompted Berdych to react that way. I like Rafa, but had no problem with Berdych's reaction. Chair Ump totally lacked any control in that match
 
Nadalfan89 said:
I'll give you a 4/10, and that's generous considering how easy this place is to troll.

If you want to see some expert trolling, read my posts on the pro forums. They're very subtle yet very effective.
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Bud said:
So, you're admitting to intentionally trolling here at TT?
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Nadalfan89 said:
Yes and I've been banned for it.

Anything else?
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So when you create a thread to bring up age-old problems between players, it's subtle trolling?
 
NamRanger said:
Soderling was getting a new racquet due to the ball change. There was nothing wrong with what he did (what he did was indeed legitimate). What Nadal did was wrong and he instigated the whole thing. Nadal fans will defend him to the ends, but this is an incident that was indeed started by Nadal first.
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To quote Johnny Mac,are you serious? Nadal started this incident? How? With his time delays.Aren't those the same time-delays that soderling put up with until then? What had changed? The new balls bit by Nadal was done in response to soderling's new racket bit which was uncalled for.I guess it's tough to say "hold on a moment,I'm just going to get a new racket".

This was soderling being a dick as usual.Let's soderling is innocent.When did he find out that there were new balls? How did Rafa know before him,doesn't the umpire say it to both players? Did soderling find out just before Rafa was serving? Come on. I don't care what the so called regulations say,if player a is serving and you want to get a new racket let him know so that he stops his serve motion.Soderling just walked off and said nothing.This is disrespectful regardless of the player in this particular situation.It has nothing to do with Nadal or soderling.It could have been nr.104 in the world against nr.567,it's still a crappy attitude to have.

@FloridaAG,what berdych did was wrong because in the tennis world there are such partisan crowds,there is nothing you can do about it.There is only so much an umpire can do.You should see DC crowds,they are the worst.Part of being a tennis player is learning to shrug off this kind of pressure.It's a stupid gesture because he won,he proved them wrong,he shut them up if you will,he didn't have to make the sign in order to provoke them.He was through to semifinals if I remember correctly so he had to play another 2 matches there,with the crowd now hating him.How smart is that? It just goes to show how immature he was in that particular situation.
 
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The Berdych one was in Madrid I think, the Spanish fans were VERY loud and Berdych put his finger to his lips when he'd shut them up and beat Nadal.

The Soderling one at Wimbledon was in a tight, heated match. Nadal was taking a very long time between points (even more than normal) and generally was behaving quite poorly. Towards the end of the final set Nadal was picking his butt and sorting out his hair and Soderling at the other end did a hilarious impression that got a laugh. Nadal wasn't happy, but he had it coming.
 
Gorecki said:
like i said Wood... if we are going to distort the truth like the OP so be it.

The OP gravely disorted the truth...

but to be completly honest, i was watching the game at the time and indeed it was the umpire who told soderling that they just had changed ball because the ump took notice on Soderling's distraction, where Soderling on his own decision left the court.

why the ump did that? dont know. you must have a much better answer for that, since you know the rules as a insider.

besides, if you notice, Soderling was already there when Mr OCD decided it was time to get up and serve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwvgnYDTTQ0

as for your correction on the change every 9 games, you are indeed correct.
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A lot of times, when a player doesn't hold up the ball to show the receiver that new balls are in play, the umpire will announce "New Balls" so that the receiver knows. It is not mandatory for the server to hold up the balls, and it's not mandatory for the umpire to announce it, but done as a courtesy. In the clip with Soderling, at no point did I hear Steve Ullrich announce "new balls." It looked like Soderling realized it and went to get a new racket. It's really not a big deal, especially at the beginning of a set. No rhythm was being broken between points or anything.
 
woodrow1029 said:
A lot of times, when a player doesn't hold up the ball to show the receiver that new balls are in play, the umpire will announce "New Balls" so that the receiver knows. It is not mandatory for the server to hold up the balls, and it's not mandatory for the umpire to announce it, but done as a courtesy. In the clip with Soderling, at no point did I hear Steve Ullrich announce "new balls." It looked like Soderling realized it and went to get a new racket. It's really not a big deal, especially at the beginning of a set. No rhythm was being broken between points or anything.
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i will most certainly take your word for that.

as far as the second part of your post, that is what i have said every time this "moment" comes to discussion. Nadal decided to get picky (no pun intended) and went ape$hit on Soderling on a pretty insignificant thing...

other than that, i am pretty sure that i remember seing the match and Steve adressing to Soderling! i could be wrong though!
 
In the Berdych Match the crowd was very annoying so could understand the reaction of Berdych but don't condone it. Nadal should just have ignored Berdych and thank the crowd for their support and leave. Instead he was irritated with the loss and though he could put Berdych in his place. It was very pretentieus of Nadal to do this. To me both players were wrong in this situation.

I think Nadal was asking for it in the Soderling match, Nadal was stalling throughout the entire match. Then Soderling just wanted another racket, he either forgot to change it or he did it on purpose. Nadal should just have served, instead he wanted to make fun of Soderling. Soderling reacted by making fun of Nadal. Was it really necessary to let the situation escalate like this?
All in all really childish behaviour from all involved if you ask me. They should just drink a beer or something and make up, because this is hardly worth a fight. Instead they seem to want to keep this feud alive only god knows why.
 
Interesting how Soderling and Berdych have made it to the past two grand slam finals in a row. Looks like Nadal is looking to get payback for his past drama with these two guys.
 
Söderling was very disrespectful, but that's no surprise. Now that he's in the spotlight, he' more cautious, but he was and still is a jerk.
Berdych's incident is a little different. Shushing the crowd was certainly not the best thing to do, first for himself since he had to play another match there. The crowd was for the local player, it's never pleasant, but better shut up. And Nadal shouldn't have reacted either since Berdych hadn't shown a lack of respect for him. But Nadal was gutted and said "Berdych is stupid".
They go along well now though. Asked about the Berdych's incident, Nadal said that Berdych's gesture was not very nice, but that he (Nadal) shouldn't have said what he said and he added that he had apologized to Berdych a long time ago in public and in private.
 
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