Nadal vs Djokovic

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Nadal

20 Slams
0 YECs
5 YE #1
209 weeks at #1

Djokovic

17 Slams
5 YECs
6 YE #1
300+ weeks at #1

Nadal is obviously greater than Djokovic. What I wonder is how much the difference in the Slam count should really be for Djokovic to be the Bull's equal?

The Serb is really destroying him in some other important stats.
 
OldschoolKIaus said:
Yeah that's nice but could you go ahead an praise Gilles Simon as GOAT? That would be great.
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Nole Slam said:
Nadal

20 Slams
0 YECs
5 YE #1
209 weeks at #1

Djokovic

17 Slams
5 YECs
6 YE #1
300+ weeks at #1

Nadal is obviously greater than Djokovic. What I wonder is how much the difference in the Slam count should really be for Djokovic to be the Bull's equal?

The Serb is really destroying him in some other important stats.
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If Djokovic got 19 i would put him ahead even with one less slam than Nadal very sadly.
 
Nole Slam said:
Nadal

20 Slams
0 YECs
5 YE #1
209 weeks at #1

Djokovic

17 Slams
5 YECs
6 YE #1
300+ weeks at #1

Nadal is obviously greater than Djokovic. What I wonder is how much the difference in the Slam count should really be for Djokovic to be the Bull's equal?

The Serb is really destroying him in some other important stats.
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I think all objective observers would agree that Novak Djokovic > Nadal if they were tied on slams.

Therefore, it's fair to say that Novak Djokovic = Nadal on -1 slam. (You could argue -2 but it's a bit more a stretch)
 
Phoenix1983 said:
I think all objective observers would agree that Novak Djokovic > Nadal if they were tied on slams.

Therefore, it's fair to say that Novak Djokovic = Nadal on -1 slam. (You could argue -2 but it's a bit more a stretch)
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I also think the same way even though Rafa miss many grandslams because of injuries ( that's part of the game and thankfully we are also lucky to see him still playing and competing time after time.) Firstly i don't believe the Goat in tennis atleast not in

Big3 now. But obviously i want Rafa to win most grand slams. If we compare Rafa and Novak i agree with one gap equality because of the other achievements novak had more. I care Masters too. To me it is also very important metric. I think novak has 1 more like 36 - 35 i guess
 
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Phoenix1983 said:
I think all objective observers would agree that Novak Djokovic > Nadal if they were tied on slams.

Therefore, it's fair to say that Novak Djokovic = Nadal on -1 slam. (You could argue -2 but it's a bit more a stretch)
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I think all objective tennis observers would disagree with that reasoning.

The number of Grand Slams is the most imporgant GOAT criterion. Other critera are just tie-breakers in case two players are tied in Slams. Therefore, Djokovic with equal number of Slams to Nadal can be argued to be greater, but if Djokovic ends up with less Slams than Nadal, then Nadal will still be greater, even with only 1 extra Slam. If Djokovic is as great as Nadal, he should win as many Slams as the Spaniard, never less. There are not valid excuses when they both played in the same era and 75% of Slams are played outside clay. If Djokovic wins less Slams, he is simply not as good as Nadal.
 
Phoenix1983 said:
I think all objective observers would agree that Novak Djokovic > Nadal if they were tied on slams.

Therefore, it's fair to say that Novak Djokovic = Nadal on -1 slam. (You could argue -2 but it's a bit more a stretch)
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No. IMO, Nole = Nadal - 0.5 slam. If Nole 19 and Nadal 20, Nadal is still better. However if they are tied, Nole is better
 
Phoenix1983 said:
Are you making excuses in case your boy is forever behind the other two in slams?
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Hilarious that a player who needs 4 additional slams to pass Fedal is "equal" to the other two. Flagrant bias (what a shock!) Sampras is three slams behind Novak and any of his fan base would absolutely have a meltdown if people started proclaiming Pete the equal of Nole.
 
Sampras never had the 4 slams & the YEC at the same time.
Sampras has not half the masters 1000

Why fighting only about one stat ... it can never show reality
There are so much things to say about players ... not only slams
 
BeatlesFan said:
Hilarious that a player who needs 4 additional slams to pass Fedal is "equal" to the other two. Flagrant bias (what a shock!) Sampras is three slams behind Novak and any of his fan base would absolutely have a meltdown if people started proclaiming Pete the equal of Nole.
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Federer is still clearly ahead of Nadal so Fedal are also not equal atm.
 
Britanian said:
Sampras never had the 4 slams & the YEC at the same time.
Sampras has not half the masters 1000

Why fighting only about one stat ... it can never show reality
There are so much things to say about players ... not only slams
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Yeah, the NCYGS+YEC is really underrated on this forum. It's like he never even accomplished this.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Hilarious that a player who needs 4 additional slams to pass Fedal is "equal" to the other two. Flagrant bias (what a shock!) Sampras is three slams behind Novak and any of his fan base would absolutely have a meltdown if people started proclaiming Pete the equal of Nole.
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No shame in stating that Pete is equal or greater than Djokovic. The guy was beast in the 3 out of 4 tennis surfaces/ conditions (HC, grass, indoors) out there. ;) What the heck, you can safely claim that Pete is the Goat in the 2 out of 4 tennis environments (grass, indoors). 6 time YE#1 on top of it, 285 weeks at #1, I mean the guy was overall, all around monster, and true genius of the game... That at least should count for something, isn't it!? ;)
 
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Nole Slam said:
Nadal

20 Slams
0 YECs
5 YE #1
209 weeks at #1

Djokovic

17 Slams
5 YECs
6 YE #1
300+ weeks at #1

Nadal is obviously greater than Djokovic. What I wonder is how much the difference in the Slam count should really be for Djokovic to be the Bull's equal?

The Serb is really destroying him in some other important stats.
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What would you like us to do with these important stats?
 
BeatlesFan said:
Hilarious that a player who needs 4 additional slams to pass Fedal is "equal" to the other two. Flagrant bias (what a shock!) Sampras is three slams behind Novak and any of his fan base would absolutely have a meltdown if people started proclaiming Pete the equal of Nole.
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1. ncygs
2. top 3 best season ever
3. roland garros: 5 SF+5 F vs 1 SF (pretty the same, no doubt)
4. 3x more masters
5. the colossus of rhodeeks winning his slam number 18 at the age of 35 (i.e. serbian machine sitting with the same number while being two years younger, yea so far away in terms of greatness, lol..plus taking into the consideration here an item 6 which sorta of a hint..)
6. wimby cancellation+throat episode (potentially two great attempts been stolen just like that)..
baamos baamos
 
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Nole Slam said:
Nadal

20 Slams
0 YECs
5 YE #1
209 weeks at #1

Djokovic

17 Slams
5 YECs
6 YE #1
300+ weeks at #1

Nadal is obviously greater than Djokovic. What I wonder is how much the difference in the Slam count should really be for Djokovic to be the Bull's equal?

The Serb is really destroying him in some other important stats.
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Honestly they're equals, because both contributed equally to the END of the Weak Era, that most important of all historic markers.
 
Nadal_Django said:
No shame in stating that Pete is equal or greater than Djokovic. The guy was a beast in the 3 out of 4 tennis surfaces/ conditions (HC, grass, indoors) out there. ;) What the heck, you can safely claim that Pete is the Goat in the 2 out of 4 tennis environments (grass, indoors). 6 time YE#1 on top of it, 285 weeks at #1, I mean the guy was overall, all around monster, and true genius of the game... That at least should count for something, isn't it!? ;)
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Nah, dood should have it held against him that all 4 slams didn't play roughly the same and allow ONE style (that he happened to be proficient in) to dominate all year around. Also, while we're at it, lets blame Pete for not having poly strings that would let him do anything with a racket, modern nutritional standards that would help him overcome his thalassemia and succeed in Paris, and on top of all that, a Weak Era that would bend to his every whim and chauffeur him to all 4 finals every year.
 
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BeatlesFan said:
Hilarious that a player who needs 4 additional slams to pass Fedal is "equal" to the other two. Flagrant bias (what a shock!) Sampras is three slams behind Novak and any of his fan base would absolutely have a meltdown if people started proclaiming Pete the equal of Nole.
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Some would, but I think the Nole base appreciates Pete much more than the Fed base does. They realize Pete inspired their player, and also that Pete has always supported Nole, so I think that gets Pete some slack from them as well.
Fedfans just can't accept Pete was every bit the player their guy was, and get triggered at the thought that Pete would beat their guy at the biggest venues more often than not because of his superior mental game.
 
UnforcedTerror said:
Nole Slam said:
20 > 17

5>0
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6 (all time record) > 5
6 (maybe 7, all time record) > 4
311+ (all time record) > 209
5 > 0
36 (all time record) > 35
58 (all time record) > 56
29 > 27
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4 in a row (only man on 3 different surfaces) > 3 in a row
2 x golden master (only man with GM) > no golden master
all time points record > whatever nadal had as max points
all time best season (2015) > 2010
 
Wrong thread.
 
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20-17, bud. No sweat.
20-18, bud. Do I look nervous?
20-19, bud N-no worries..
 
Phoenix1983 said:
I think all objective observers would agree that Novak Djokovic > Nadal if they were tied on slams.

Therefore, it's fair to say that Novak Djokovic = Nadal on -1 slam. (You could argue -2 but it's a bit more a stretch)
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20>19
 
Djoko ahead in terms of greatness now. He is the greater player with all these achievements he has accumulated.
 
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