Nadal VS Federer: WHAT RIVALRY,?!???!

Roger is Boring

Roger is Boring

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Rafael Nadal (ESP) vs. Roger Federer (SUI)

2006 ATP Masters Series Rome
6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 7-6
Winner: Nadal
:mrgreen:

2006 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
6-2, 6-7, 6-3, 7-6
Winner: Nadal
:twisted:

2006 Dubai
2-6, 6-4, 6-4
Winner: Nadal


2005 Roland Garros
6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3
Winner: Nadal


2005 ATP Masters Series Miami
6-2, 7-6, 6-7, 3-6, 1-6
Winner: Federer
:rolleyes:

2004 Miami
6-3, 6-3
Winner: Nadal


Nadal leads "RIVALRY" 5-1

DENIAL IS NOT A RIVER IN EGYPT!REPEAT AFTER ME:THERE IS NO RIVALRY!

VAMOOOOSSSSSSSSssssssSSSSSSSsssssssSSSSSSSSsssssssSSSS!!!!!!
 
3 of those matches were on Nadal's surface, clay.

If 3 of those matches were on Roger's surface, grass, then it would be 5-4.

Not Roger's fault that Nadal can't even get to the finals to play him on grass, is it?

It's kind of ironic, that if Nadal was better (on grass), Roger would actually be looking better in the head to head. Kind of sad actually.
 
Fine then, there is no rivalry between nadal and fed.

Fed is just better.

When was the last time Fed didnt make it to a semi or a final of a major event. How many times has he lost a final that he made it to.

Nadal went out early in wimbledon and US open.

Im not even going to try to bring up more points considering how many times this has been covered.
 
Yep, stupid Nadal fans trying to use the 5-1 head-to-head record. Federer is playing exceptinally well, and is clearly second best on clay: I think he's closed the gap. He easily could have won today, didn't but could have. FO I say is 50-50.

The fact that Nadal never gets to Federer at the US or Aussie Open says something. And the fact that he never gets to Federer on grass also says something. How about we do tourney to tourney record? For every tournament they've both entered, what's the record in terms of Champion vs. Not Champion? You'll see a much more level playing field then.

As previous poster here has said, it is quite ironic that Federer looks worse in the head-to-head matchups because he's such a good clay-court player that he plays Nadal deep into many clay-court events, and that the h2h also looks better for Nadal because he's such a poor grass-court player that he never gets to play Federer.

Let them play on grass as many times as they've played on clay, and we'll see what their record will be.

Of course, Nadal fans really hate the fact that the French Open is considered the least prestigious GS, and the Wimbledon the most prestigious. To try to diminish the almost universally seen prestigiousness of the Wimbledon, they say it's "dated", or "sexist", or "boring" (all white), or that not as many matches are played on it (duh, grass is grass, and requires more maintenance than every surface).
 
I think what Ztalen means is...

the h2h record is 5-1 Nadal...

If as many matches were played on grass as on clay (that is, if there were 3 extra matches, all played on grass), the record would be 5-4.

If 3 of those matches were played on grass instead of clay, I gaurantee you the record would be more like 4-2 Federer (5 - 3 = 2, 1 + 3 = 4). And probably if they play on grass, Federer wipes out Nadal completely, unlike the very very close matches between them on clay.
 
The only thing sad is the way you poor loser fed fans can turn everything around+avoid the truth.This is a good one,there is no rivalry fed is just better.

Now nadal has beaten fed 3 straight times in finals this year+5 out of 6 overall,i guess your right there is no rivalry.But of course there is always the endless shouldof couldof wouldofs!

If fed turns the series around on nadal i will give him credit,but untill that time with it being 5-1,it is obvious nadal owns fed pure+simple.This just kills you fed heads.

How do you boys explain this 19 year old kid taking the god down again+again+again.I am sure we will see another batch of weak excuses.

I dont know any player that can lose 5 out of 6 in any sport+ go around saying that you are better than the man that keeps beating you.
 
dh003i said:
Yep, stupid Nadal fans trying to use the 5-1 head-to-head record. Federer is playing exceptinally well, and is clearly second best on clay: I think he's closed the gap. He easily could have won today, didn't but could have. FO I say is 50-50.

The fact that Nadal never gets to Federer at the US or Aussie Open says something. And the fact that he never gets to Federer on grass also says something. How about we do tourney to tourney record? For every tournament they've both entered, what's the record in terms of Champion vs. Not Champion? You'll see a much more level playing field then.

As previous poster here has said, it is quite ironic that Federer looks worse in the head-to-head matchups because he's such a good clay-court player that he plays Nadal deep into many clay-court events, and that the h2h also looks better for Nadal because he's such a poor grass-court player that he never gets to play Federer.

Let them play on grass as many times as they've played on clay, and we'll see what their record will be.

Of course, Nadal fans really hate the fact that the French Open is considered the least prestigious GS, and the Wimbledon the most prestigious. To try to diminish the almost universally seen prestigiousness of the Wimbledon, they say it's "dated", or "sexist", or "boring" (all white), or that not as many matches are played on it (duh, grass is grass, and requires more maintenance than every surface).
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I don't think AO is more prestigious than FO, not in Europe that's for sure
 
Still gotta give fed credit for playing nadal so close. Nadal is no slouch, its not like fed lost to some chump.

Its hard to finish a match on the slow clay. You cant just pop an ace like u can on other surfaces, fed feels some pressure, nadal goes for broke. Ive been in that situation, you just cant seem to get the ball past your opponent.

Lets also keep in mind nadal had a very easy semi final where fed was out there along time. Feds conditioning must be up there to play that much tennis in a 20-30 hour span.
 
Most of Nadal's wins are on clay (his preferred).

If Roger played Nadal on his favored (grass), it wouldn't even be close (unlike their clay matches, I mean, look at their scores!!!)

I'd say 6-2,6-1 Fed on grass in any competition. That sort of score.

Bottom line:

Federer's good enough to reach the finals in clay.

Nadal's not good enough to reach the finals in grass.

Fed's more all-round.
 
I agree you have to give some credit to fed,this is nadals best surface+he came about as close as you can.

I have to say fed was right there but he still lost i dont understand the guy that is supposed to be far+away the best player not being able to close the deal with a 19 year old inexperienced player like nadal.

This is the 3rd straight loss in a final for fed vs nadal this year,so how can nadal not be the better player?
 
I think it's a rivalry just because Nadal puts up his best tennis to beat Fed.... on clay, which is Fed's worst surface and his best surface. I don't think people can say this isn't a rivalry just because Nadal has more wins, because IMO Fed and Nadal produce the best matches as of now.. my $.02...
 
tlm said:
I agree you have to give some credit to fed,this is nadals best surface+he came about as close as you can.

I have to say fed was right there but he still lost i dont understand the guy that is supposed to be far+away the best player not being able to close the deal with a 19 year old inexperienced player like nadal.

This is the 3rd straight loss in a final for fed vs nadal this year,so how can nadal not be the better player?
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Nadal is the better player on clay, no question (even if Federer could do win RG, which is unlikely)
But, his 2:1 lead over Fed on hard- doesn't mean Nadal is the better player overall, if he still lose to sombody else every now and then and doesn't manage to go to enough finals to close his gap to the nr.1 ranking significantly.
 
Roger is Boring said:
Rafael Nadal (ESP) vs. Roger Federer (SUI)

2006 ATP Masters Series Rome
6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 7-6
Winner: Nadal
:mrgreen:

2006 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
6-2, 6-7, 6-3, 7-6
Winner: Nadal
:twisted:

2006 Dubai
2-6, 6-4, 6-4
Winner: Nadal


2005 Roland Garros
6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3
Winner: Nadal


2005 ATP Masters Series Miami
6-2, 7-6, 6-7, 3-6, 1-6
Winner: Federer
:rolleyes:

2004 Miami
6-3, 6-3
Winner: Nadal


Nadal leads "RIVALRY" 5-1

DENIAL IS NOT A RIVER IN EGYPT!REPEAT AFTER ME:THERE IS NO RIVALRY!

VAMOOOOSSSSSSSSssssssSSSSSSSsssssssSSSSSSSSsssssssSSSS!!!!!!
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I'm sure you are not really thinking what you're writing. But if your statement has a grain of truth then it would be the other way around, i.e, no rivalry since Fed is better than Nadal OVERALL. (A simple look at ATP ranking point will prove what I just said).
 
The Pusher Terminator said:
Nadal Is The Most Exciting Freaking Player Of All Time!!!!!.......

Nadal Is The King!!! All Hail The New King!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hallelujah for Buddah!!! Rogelio will be the errand boy of Rafa's castle. Go Rogelio, get me a grilled chicken sandwich b1tch! Where's devila, missing out on some of the best board war action in years. Throw all the insults you want Fed fans it won't change the results. 5-1 Nadal.
 
Head to Head (Match Up). Nadal Leads! 5-1! NO RIVALRY

Age to Age (Match Up). Federer Leads! 25-19 NO RIVALRY



Roger will meet the Dai Lama next time since the Pope did not give him luck. :mrgreen:
 
Pusher terminator,

You sure have done a good job of winding up the Fed fans/fanatics, as you can certainly see from their responses filled with anger and frustration.

Give it a rest now and let's have some meaningful discussions :mad:
 
ksbh said:
Pusher terminator,

You sure have done a good job of winding up the Fed fans/fanatics, as you can certainly see from their responses filled with anger and frustration.

Give it a rest now and let's have some meaningful discussions :mad:
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Ok...and thanks. I think there should be some sort of award ceremony ...no?...LOL.
 
Should Nadal take Fed down (and I'm convinced he will) in the French Open final, there'll be many contestants for that award including some from the Fed camp! :)

The Pusher Terminator said:
Ok...and thanks. I think there should be some sort of award ceremony ...no?...LOL.
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superman1 said:
How does it feel having everyone hate you? Not a good way to go through life.
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You guys are so sad. It actually feels great knowing how bad I am getting to you guys. I mean wouldn't it just be so much easier for you guys to do the right thing? If you were just man enough to admit that nadal has outplayed Fed then this would all be over. Why don't you just congratulate Nadal? How many other 19 year olds have a winning record against possibly the greatest player the world has ever seen. How many 19 year olds have tied Vilas world record? How many 19 year olds have beaten a French player at the French open while the whole crowd is booing him? How many 19 year olds have withstood matchpoints against Fed? Have you ever seen such heart such bravery such fire? Not even Fed was as good at 19. You just continue to ignore greatness....and if you and your group is too bitter to acknowledge such a worthy opponent then go ahead and hate me. Like Nadal, I will fight you until there is no breth left in my lungs. Just like Nadal beat the entire French crowd at the French I will stand up to all of you. Thats what being a Nadal fan is all about...we never say die......VAMOS!!!!
 
Why is it that everytime Fed loses there has to be some excuse for him losing. I keep on reading his draw was tougher and he had less rest. That's tennis, Rafa beats down everyone because he's plays better on clay. Its like saying Roddick could of beat federer the last 3 years they played on grass if he would of had Fed's Draw. There no denying that Fed is the best grass court player, and hard court player. Clay isn't his thing and he needs to accept it, he keeps on saying he's close but he still finds a way to lose. Also what this mess about Rafa not playing well at the Australian Open, he didn't play this year because of his foot and the previous year he lost to Lleyton in a 5 setter. He would probably would of won it this year with the rebound ace playing like clay. Anyways I think the most important part about these games thats being missed is that they're well played matches for the most part..Great tennis by two great players. I'm sure Fed will end up with more Grand Slams then Rafa, but i don't think that really matters when they play head-to-head. Its about who wins the match. Rafa 5- Fed-1. We'll see how the French goes.
 
I think sooner or later Fed will beat Nadal on clay (or any other surface for that matter). He came sooo close, so its hats-off to Nadal. I bet Fed is going to be striving hard to even up or better their head-to-head record.
 
gts072 said:
I think sooner or later Fed will beat Nadal on clay (or any other surface for that matter). He came sooo close, so its hats-off to Nadal. I bet Fed is going to be striving hard to even up or better their head-to-head record.
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The clay at rome is far faster than the clay at roland garros...LOL ( Just making fun of Fed fans who give this excuse for Nadals wins over Fed on hard courts).
 
I thought the swiss had no chance against Rafael in yesterday's final -he was playing out of consistency + coming from two long matches. I was surprised to watch him endure 5 hours, lose a few match points and push Nadal to the limit.

Roger Federer has lost his last 4 matches to Rafael, that's the facts, and it turns out to be an ownership streak for now. But each time they play he keeps closing the gap between he and Rafa on clay, that I would say is a tendence. So, I would prefer to wait for 3 or 4 more matches between these two to see if the tendence gets confirmed and materializes on concrete wins by the swiss.

As for the rivalry, I think yes there exists a rivalry because both of them play each other to the limit and to full extent of capacity. I'm not a native english speaker so I don't know if the word "rivalry" is used based on pure results on head-to-head confrontations. If intensity comes into account then I would say yes there's rivalry between them.

By the way, I'm not a Federer nor a Nadal fan -just in case some people start jumping over my head. I admire Roger's vast array of shots and Rafa's attitude and fighting spirit on court.
 
Sure, Nadal is trouncing Federer on clay; still it's a great rivalry. One is number 1 and the other is number 2- come on it's a great rivalry, just what tennis needs, and actually noone really knows what the future holds on all four surfaces and in Grand Slam Finals this year. Too, Roland Garros has an uncanny history of victors who seemingly came out of nowhere.
 
FEDEXP said:
Sure, Nadal is trouncing Federer on clay; still it's a great rivalry. One is number 1 and the other is number 2- come on it's a great rivalry, just what tennis needs, and actually noone really knows what the future holds on all four surfaces and in Grand Slam Finals this year. Too, Roland Garros has an uncanny history of victors who seemingly came out of nowhere.
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Nadal also has 2 wins on hard courts.
 
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