Nadal vs Kyrgios - Potential Wimbledon Round 3

aldeayeah

Legend
Poll time!

If Kyrgios plays Nadal, how many underarm serves will be attempted*?

(*if Nadal does it, it counts too)

I say 4.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
The animosity that these two have towards each other makes things far more interesting. This type of drama was far more common 30 years ago.
Which important guys were notorious for having that kind of personal rivalry back then? I often rewatch old matches and know a lot about past results, but not much about such stuff (or at least not more than a few rumours about who disliked each other).
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
Which important guys were notorious for having that kind of personal rivalry back then? I often rewatch old matches and know a lot about past results, but not much about such stuff (or at least not more than a few rumours about who disliked each other).
Connors vs McEnroe, Connors vs Lendl, and most of all, McEnroe vs Lendl. McEnroe said that he had more talent in his pinky than Lendl had in his entire body. Not long after that, Lendl wound up and clobbered Mac with a bomb shot to the body while Mac was at the net. A couple of years later, Lendl said that Mac had no shot of beating him, since he lacked the footspeed and power to harm him. Later that year, Mac and Lendl met at the USO(quarters of the 1987 USO) and Lendl backed up his words by destroying Mac in straight sets. At one point, Lendl was 5/5 on topspin lobs during that match. Some of those lobs were hit on the run.
 
Kyrgios is 2-0 up in head to head against Djokovic. (And Djokovic played well in their Acapulco match, except for the last game-Kyrgios simply was serving great. In their IW meeting he was poor though). He also pushed Federer in almost all meetings and even beat him once.
Roger Federer versus Nickolas Kyrgious recent Head to Head Record..

2018 laver cup RR
RF def. NK 6-3 6-2

2018 USO 3R
RF def. NK 6-4 6-1 7-5

2018 Stuttgart SF
RF def. NK 6-7 6-2 6-7


He did push roger in early meetings in 2017 and 2015, and note that both of those versions of roger were much much better than 2018 Roger who just plainly smoked nick...
The thing is, Roger has found a way through.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Roger Federer versus Nickolas Kyrgious recent Head to Head Record..

2018 laver cup RR
RF def. NK 6-3 6-2

2018 USO 3R
RF def. NK 6-4 6-1 7-5

2018 Stuttgart SF
RF def. NK 6-7 6-2 6-7


He did push roger in early meetings in 2017 and 2015, and note that both of those versions of roger were much much better than 2018 Roger who just plainly smoked nick...
The thing is, Roger has found a way through.
The match in Stuttgart was very close.
 

goldenboot

New User
I really hope Nadal crushes him. Even us Australians are sick and tired of the spoiled brat
Even a narrow Nadal win will keep me happy though
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
That made me spill my green tea. From 2012 to 2015 he lost to players ranked outside the top 100, so what does it need to be for it not to be a conspiracy? 6 walkovers into the final, with a Fedovic semi?
Why are you constantly spitting green tea out? :p
I've been drinking a lot of green tea lately, it's epic :)
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
Wouldn't it make more sense for the Draw to Fix Nick vs Djokovic given the most recent events?
Maybe. But since Nick can play potential spoiler here, I don't think they would be keen on having a side of the draw that is completely void of a big three member so early, think USO 2017 and how that other side was which didn't have one of the top three.
 
Djokovic had cakewalks in USO 2018, AO 2019, RG 2019 until the semifinal, now here again. Can you just STOP trolling? I know you are a Nadal hater, but try to be reasonable for a change. Djokovic gets much more cakewalks than Nadal recently. In Wimbledon 2018 Nadal also had the toughest draw. (Unless you believe Nishikori is tougher than Del Potro)
One of the main reasons Nadal has failed to ever win the WTF is due to the fact that there is no such thing as an easy draw. You have to play the best. Some of his slam draw by contrast have been laughably easy.
 

VaporDude95

Banned
Actually, bad publicity aside, I am rooting for Nick. I hope he can mature, give 100% focus and be able to fulfill his potential and win at least 1 GS before fading away.
Exactly

As an Aussie, I used to think he was a d!ck. But he definitely grew on me, and he very much brings a different light to tennis.

I’ll be rooting for him too.
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
Why are you constantly spitting green tea out?:p
I've been drinking a lot of green tea lately, it's epic :)
Because I am constantly drinking it. ;)

And I finally agree with you about something being epic. :)
 

EdSWright

Professional
The whole thing started back in Acapulco, the comments from Nick saying Rafa is salty and Rafa saying Nick doesn't respect tennis. Then Nick disrespecting the clay season, and saying it should all be grass, and now getting to play the KOC on grass. No love lost between them, and here we are, the match is about as early as it could have been IMO.
Why not make it round 1 then? No guarantee of Nick getting through. Or Nadal.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
The draw (and every draw really) for the big 3 is a bit overtalked. Im not happy he's playing Nick R2, but honestly if he can't beat Nick he's not winning the title. I would much rather him be able to come through and then silence the haters.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
One of the main reasons Nadal has failed to ever win the WTF is due to the fact that there is no such thing as an easy draw. You have to play the best. Some of his slam draw by contrast have been laughably easy.
He didn't win WTF because he hardly plays it (like 3 times in 8 years) and because it is played on indoor hardcourt.
And no such hing as an easy draw? Yeah, tell me with a straight face that Djokovic's 2014 draw or Dimitrov's 2017 draw were not easy. :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D
 

EasyGoing

Professional
He didn't win WTF because he hardly plays it (like 3 times in 8 years) and because it is played on indoor hardcourt.
And no such hing as an easy draw? Yeah, tell me with a straight face that Djokovic's 2014 draw or Dimitrov's 2017 draw were not easy. :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D
He played it 8 times and has a 16-13 record there, which is beyond pathetic, really. He missed it in 2005 and 2008 when he was "still learning to play on HC's" (which is apparently a completely different sport), in 2012 when he shut down the season after getting Rosoled, in 2014 after he was losing left and right on grass and HC, in 2016 where he went 10-6 on HC with losses to DelPo, Nishi, Pouille, Coric, Dimitrov and Troicki.

If anything, he saved himself from being in the negative W/L record with all those "injuries". The only remote chance of actually contesting the WTF was probably 2018, but I don't think he'd do any better than the SF anyways.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
He played it 8 times and has a 16-13 record there, which is beyond pathetic, really. He missed it in 2005 and 2008 when he was "still learning to play on HC's" (which is apparently a completely different sport), in 2012 when he shut down the season after getting Rosoled, in 2014 after he was losing left and right on grass and HC, in 2016 where he went 10-6 on HC with losses to DelPo, Nishi, Pouille, Coric, Dimitrov and Troicki.

If anything, he saved himself from being in the negative W/L record with all those "injuries". The only remote chance of actually contesting the WTF was probably 2018, but I don't think he'd do any better than the SF anyways.
He retied after one match in 2017 as well.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
This is justice after the challenger draws Rafa had at USO17, AO18 and RG19.
In fact, Federer was the one with a challenger draw at the AO 2018, as he won the title without facing Nadal or Djokovic, and faced Gasquet, old Berdych and an injured Chung (LOL). At RG 2019, Nadal faced the strongest clay players excluding Djokovic (Goffin, Federer and Thiem). Federer is the 5th best clay player at the moment, only behind Thiem, Djokovic and Goffin. So Nadal's RG 2019 draw was perfectly normal.

The Wimbledon 2019 draw is not "justice". It is borderline unfair and extremelly unlucky. The most brutal draw in the history of tennis.

Nadal has to face before the SF 4 top players:
1. Kyrgios
2. Tsonga (almost defeated Federer at Halle and many Fed fans were saying they Don't want Tsonga in their draw)
3. Cilic (Wimbledon finalist, has played 5 setters at Wimbledon with Federer and Djokovic)
4. Querrey (Eastbourne 2019 champion, defeated Djokovic at Wimbledon 2016).

Meanwhile, Federer has to face nobody before the SF. It is an issult to objectivity to say that "it is fair".
 
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StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
In fact, Federer was the one with a challenger draw at the AO 2018, as he won the title without facing Nadal or Djokovic, and faced Gasquet, old Berdych and an injured Chung (LOL). At RG 2019, Nadal faced the strongest clay players excluding Djokovic (Goffin, Federer and Thiem). Federer is the 5th best clay player at the moment, only behind Thiem, Djokovic and Goffin. So Nadal's RG 2019 draw was perfectly normal.

The Wimbledon 2019 draw is not "justice". It is borderline unfair and extremelly unlucky. The most brutal draw in the history of tennis.

Nadal has to face before the SF 4 top players:
1. Kyrgios
2. Tsonga (almost defeated Federer at Halle and many Fed fans were saying they Don't want Tsonga in their draw)
3. Cilic (Wimbledon finalist, has played 5 setters at Wimbledon with Federer and Djokovic)
4. Querrey (Eastbourne 2019 champion, defeated Djokovic at Wimbleodn 2016).

Meanwhile, Federer has to face nobody before the SF. It is an issult to objectivity to say that "it is fair".
Lol, I like how Nadal facing Cilic in AO 2018 1/4 finals is a challenger draw but Federer facing him in the final is a very hard draw. Some Federer fans need to think sometimes.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Good on grass? Thiem is a Wimbledon favorite to be fair. :-D
Nadal will face Querrey in the QF, who will defeat Thiem in the first round.

Nothing to laugh about. Querrey is the 2019 Eastbourne champion and defeated Djokovic at Wimbledon 2016.

(Assuming Nadal reaches the QF, which is extremelly unlikely, given his draw from hell with Kyrgios, Tsonga and Cilic.)
 

Benjamin Rio

Professional
Lol, I like how Nadal facing Cilic in AO 2018 1/4 finals is a challenger draw but Federer facing him in the final is a very hard draw. Some Federer fans need to think sometimes.
The scheduling + the conditions + the draw made it easy for Nadal at the FO.

Don't make too much of Kyrgios. He's played 1 good tournament in over a year. At the race he would be 152 without that win.

AO 2018 offered an easy draw to Fed. Still stronger field than Us open 2017.
 

Benjamin Rio

Professional
Nadal will face Querrey in the QF, who will defeat Thiem in the first round.

Nothing to laugh about. Querrey is the 2019 Eastbourne champion and defeated Djokovic at Wimbledon 2016.

(Assuming Nadal reaches the QF, which is extremelly unlikely, given his draw from hell with Kyrgios, Tsonga and Cilic.)
Querrey is really good on grass and has beaten Novak and Murray at Wimbledon.
 

Benjamin Rio

Professional
In fact, Federer was the one with a challenger draw at the AO 2018, as he won the title without facing Nadal or Djokovic, and faced Gasquet, old Berdych and an injured Chung (LOL). At RG 2019, Nadal faced the strongest clay players excluding Djokovic (Goffin, Federer and Thiem). Federer is the 5th best clay player at the moment, only behind Thiem, Djokovic and Goffin. So Nadal's RG 2019 draw was perfectly normal.

The Wimbledon 2019 draw is not "justice". It is borderline unfair and extremelly unlucky. The most brutal draw in the history of tennis.

Nadal has to face before the SF 4 top players:
1. Kyrgios
2. Tsonga (almost defeated Federer at Halle and many Fed fans were saying they Don't want Tsonga in their draw)
3. Cilic (Wimbledon finalist, has played 5 setters at Wimbledon with Federer and Djokovic)
4. Querrey (Eastbourne 2019 champion, defeated Djokovic at Wimbledon 2016).

Meanwhile, Federer has to face nobody before the SF. It is an issult to objectivity to say that "it is fair".
Fair coming from Nadal fans.....

1/ banning a referee
2/ FO 2019 easy draw+ good schedule + good conditions
3/ Us open 2017
4/ Faking injuries to justify bad losses.
 

Sephiroth

Hall of Fame
This is justice after the challenger draws Rafa had at USO17, AO18 and RG19.
What mighty opponents did Federer face at AO 2018? Struff, Gaschoke, Fucovic, Berdick, Chung before facing Cilic in the final? Whereas Nadal faced Cilic in the QF then would have to face Federer in the final thus making his draw harder than Federer's.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
A lot of people are sleeping on Tsonga. He lost nail biters to Fed and Raonic in the tuneups. I would also bet on him to take Nadal down despite him being on the decline.
So Nadal is the only player to have given Djokovic any sort of resistance in 2018 Wimbledon, and looked great in the process, yet everyone in his draw is seemingly favourite to beat him in 2019 LOL :rolleyes:
 
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