Nadal vs Top 10 Players on HC (since Winning Indian Wells 2009)

[jamesblakefan#1]

Updated: 8/14/10

2009 Miami QF - vs #7 Juan Martin Del Potro L 4-6, 6-3, 6-7(3)
2009 Canada QF - vs #6 Juan Martin Del Potro L 6-7(5), 1-6
2009 Cincinnati SF - vs #4 Novak Djokovic L 1-6, 4-6
2009 US Open SF - vs #6 Juan Martin Del Potro L 2-6, 2-6, 2-6
2009 Shanghai F - vs #8 Nikolay Davydenko L 6-7(3), 3-6
2009 Paris QF - vs #9 JW Tsonga W 7-5, 7-5
2009 Paris SF - vs #3 Novak Djokovic L 2-6, 3-6
2009 ATP World Tour Finals RR - vs #9 Robin Soderling L 4-6, 4-6
2009 ATP World Tour Finals RR - vs #7 Nikolay Davydenko L 1-6, 6-7(4)
2009 ATP World Tour Finals RR - vs #3 Novak Djokovic (SRB) L 6-7(5), 3-6
2010 Qatar F - vs #6 Nikolay Davydenko L 6-0, 6-7(8 ), 4-6
2010 Australian Open QF - vs #4 Andy Murray L 3-6, 6-7(2), 0-3 RET
2010 Miami QF - vs #10 JW Tsonga W 6-3, 6-2
2010 Miami SF - vs #8 Andy Roddick L 6-4, 3-6, 3-6
2010 Canada SF - vs #4 Andy Murray L 3-6, 4-6

In the 16 months since defeating Andy Murray to win the 2009 Indian Wells title, Nadal has yet to win a title on HC and only has reached 2 finals on the surface in 11 tournaments.

-Nadal is 2-13 vs top 10 players on HC during this period.
-Nadal is 0-12 vs top 8 players on HC during this period.
-In these 15 matches, Nadal won a total of 7 sets.

Now, please understand, I am not making this thread to bash Nadal in any way, only to point out the facts. Nadal is not a given to win the US Open, and it is my estimation that he is not the favorite due to these facts mentioned.

If Nadal rectifies this in the tournaments before the US Open, with wins over top 10 opposition, then maybe he should in fact be looked at as favorite. But as of right now, Nadal's record on HC does not stand up to being the favorite to win the US Open.

It is very rare that you win any Grand Slam without defeating a top 10 player, and at Nadal's weakest slam, top 10 players have been his achilles' heel - he is 0-3 vs top 10 players at Flushing Meadows.

 

[dmt]

wasn't tsonga in the top 10 in miami this year?

And yes fair enough, he isnt the favourite, but he is playing with alot more confidence then he has since he came back after injury last year so things are probably going to be different.

 

[KingOfTennis]

lol. and its funny cuz h2h is everything for *********s.

 

[vortex1]

Nadal was injured in those matches, except maybe Davy where he choked.

 

[LeoR]

You have to be very biased to think that the results of Nadal last year and early this year are relevant.

He was in a big slump due to his injury. He is at a whole different level now and his confidence is at an all time high.

The author of the thread does not even understand that? Disappointing.

 

[miyagi]

I wonder why people are so upset at the thought of Nadal being the favourite?

He IS the favourite no matter how you try to spin it but I repeat that doesn't gurantee he will win it.

Yes last year he had a very poor half second year but I think you are truely biased if you think those results represent Nadals true performance on HC.

When fit and well he will give ANYONE a competitive match plus we know he has extra motivation as this is the only major he has yet to win and he has scheduled better too.

He has been playing better than anyone else on tour and he is world number 1. so he HAS to be the favourite.

I don't think anyone could even argue that Roger is favourite with his current form and set of results.

Gilbert and Cahill agree in this instance I think their opinion holds more weight than yours!

 

[Fate Archer]

Nadal was injured in those matches, except maybe Davy where he choked.

 

[Radobg]

jamesblakefan#1 why you are showing as statistic only from Miami09 till now???I see only 4 matches that Nadal was competetive in this period-Miami2009,Qatar2010,AO2010,IW2010!!!All the other matches was during the worst period in his career and you know the reasons for that!!!You don't want to bash him,but you chose to show this period?!?!?!

Let's see all his mathces vs top10 before Miami2009!!!Can we?

THERE IT IS:

2004 Miami R32-vs #1 Federer W 63 63*
2004 Toronto R64-vs #10 Hewitt L 61 46 26
2004 USO R64-vs #2 Roddick L 06 36 46
2005 AO R16-vs #3 Hewitt L 57 63 61 67 26
2005 Montreal F-vs #7 Agassi W 63 46 62*
2005 Bejing F-vs #8 Coria W 57 61 62*
2006 Dubai F-vs #1 Federer W 26 64 64*
2006 TMC RR-vs #8 Blake L 46 67
2006 TMC RR-vs #6 Robredo W 76 62*
2006 TMC RR-vs #3 Davydenko W 57 64 64*
2006 TMC S-vs #1 Federer L 46 57
2007 AO Q-vs #9 Gonzalez L 26 46 36
2007 IW S-vs #3 Roddick W 64 63*
2007 Miami Q-vs #10 Djokovic L 36 46
2007 Montreal S-vs #4 Djokovic L 57 36
2007 TMC RR-vs #8 Gasquet W 36 63 64*
2007 TMC RR-vs #6 Ferrer L 64 46 36
2007 TMC RR-vs #3 Djokovic W 64 64*
2007 TMC RR-vs #1 Federer L 46 16
2008 Dubai Q-vs #6 Roddick L 67 26
2008 IW Q-vs #9 Blake W 75 36 63*
2008 IW S-vs #3 Djokovic L 36 26
2008 Miami Q-vs #9 Blake W 36 63 61*
2008 Miami S-vs #10 Berdych W 76 62*
2008 Miami F-vs #4 Davydenko L 46 26
2008 Toronto S-vs #9 Murray W 76 63*
2008 Cincinnati S-vs #3 Djokovic L 16 57
2008 Olympics S-vs#3 Djokovic W 64 16 64*
2008 USO S-vs #4 Murray L 26 67 64 46
2009 AO Q-vs #8 Simon W 62 75 75*
2009 AO F-vs #2 Federer W 75 36 76 36 62*
2009 Rotterdam F-vs #4 Murray L 36 64 06
2009 IW Q-vs #6 Del Potro W 62 64*
2009 IW S-vs #7 Roddick W 64 76*
2009 IW F-vs #4 Murray W 61 62*

So....he is 19-15 on hard courts vs top 10 till Miami 2009!And all we know till 2008 what kind a player was Nadal on hard courts!!!
Or let's count only his best perid on hard courts vs top10 Toronto2008-Miami2009!!He is 7-3 in this period!!
So What?!?!
Why is always needed when someone wants to discredit Nadal he must show statistics from the worst and most difficult period of his career???
My point is these numbers don't mean nothing now!!Reality looks like this: Rafael Nadal won the last three Masters,Roland Garros and Wimbledon!Though they don't want,but some people must realise that Rafael Nadal is one of the favorite to win the USO!Ofcuourse only blind person would say that this title is already his!But only blind person woild say that hi is not a favorite aswel!!!

Jeez!!Some people don't want to count him even like favorite!
Stop with that hate and enjoy the bloody tennis!!

 

[Bud]

jamesblakefan#1 why you are showing as statistic only from Miami09 till now???I see only 4 matches that Nadal was competetive in this period-Miami2009,Qatar2010,AO2010,IW2010!!!All the other matches was during the worst period in his career and you know the reasons for that!!!You don't want to bash him,but you chose to show this period?!?!?!

Let's see all his mathces vs top10 before Miami2009!!!Can we?

THERE IT IS:

2004 Miami R32-vs #1 Federer W 63 63*
2004 Toronto R64-vs #10 Hewitt L 61 46 26
2004 USO R64-vs #2 Roddick L 06 36 46
2005 AO R16-vs #3 Hewitt L 57 63 61 67 26
2005 Montreal F-vs #7 Agassi W 63 46 62*
2005 Bejing F-vs #8 Coria W 57 61 62*
2006 Dubai F-vs #1 Federer W 26 64 64*
2006 TMC RR-vs #8 Blake L 46 67
2006 TMC RR-vs #6 Robredo W 76 62*
2006 TMC RR-vs #3 Davydenko W 57 64 64*
2006 TMC S-vs #1 Federer L 46 57
2007 AO Q-vs #9 Gonzalez L 26 46 36
2007 IW S-vs #3 Roddick W 64 63*
2007 Miami Q-vs #10 Djokovic L 36 46
2007 Montreal S-vs #4 Djokovic L 57 36
2007 TMC RR-vs #8 Gasquet W 36 63 64*
2007 TMC RR-vs #6 Ferrer L 64 46 36
2007 TMC RR-vs #3 Djokovic W 64 64*
2007 TMC RR-vs #1 Federer L 46 16
2008 Dubai Q-vs #6 Roddick L 67 26
2008 IW Q-vs #9 Blake W 75 36 63*
2008 IW S-vs #3 Djokovic L 36 26
2008 Miami Q-vs #9 Blake W 36 63 61*
2008 Miami S-vs #10 Berdych W 76 62*
2008 Miami F-vs #4 Davydenko L 46 26
2008 Toronto S-vs #9 Murray W 76 63*
2008 Cincinnati S-vs #3 Djokovic L 16 57
2008 Olympics S-vs#3 Djokovic W 64 16 64*
2008 USO S-vs #4 Murray L 26 67 64 46
2009 AO Q-vs #8 Simon W 62 75 75*
2009 AO F-vs #2 Federer W 75 36 76 36 62*
2009 Rotterdam F-vs #4 Murray L 36 64 06
2009 IW Q-vs #6 Del Potro W 62 64*
2009 IW S-vs #7 Roddick W 64 76*
2009 IW F-vs #4 Murray W 61 62*

So....he is 19-15 on hard courts vs top 10 till Miami 2009!And all we know till 2008 what kind a player was Nadal on hard courts!!!
Or let's count only his best perid on hard courts vs top10 Toronto2008-Miami2009!!He is 7-3 in this period!!
So What?!?!
Why is always needed when someone wants to discredit Nadal he must show statistics from the worst and most difficult period of his career???
My point is these numbers don't mean nothing now!!Reality looks like this: Rafael Nadal won the last three Masters,Roland Garros and Wimbledon!Though they don't want,but some people must realise that Rafael Nadal is one of the favorite to win the USO!Ofcuourse only blind person would say that this title is already his!But only blind person woild say that hi is not a favorite aswel!!!

Jeez!!Some people don't want to count him even like favorite!
Stop with that hate and enjoy the bloody tennis!!

OP is such a **** :lol:

 

[vortex1]

Stop using my smiley! Omg! :evil:

 

[Radobg]

OP is such a **** :lol:

Hey Bud!Can you make a Thread for the records vs Top10 oponents similar to the "ATP 5-set Records"thread!I'm sik of these "Nadal vs Top6","Nadal vs Top7","Nadal vs Top8*!Let's see how the others are doing agains the top10!!!I think for everybody will be intersting to see that!But agains top10!OK?I never sow statistic in ATP for records agains Top7 or Top8:lol:
I wanted to make it alone but my English is terible and I'm not too familar with the ruls here!I think Mustard can help aswel!
So if you want....
Cheers!

 

[Spider]

Thanks a lot for this. Can you also run a check of Federer and his record against the top 100 this year? You are free to include all surfaces and not just isolate one surface for Fed.

 

[feetofclay]

Now, please understand, I am not making this thread to bash Nadal in any way, only to point out the facts. Nadal is not a given to win the US Open, and it is my estimation that he is not the favorite

So who would you make as favourite? The top four have the following results this year:-

Nadal 5 losses (players ranked 4-31 ) 5 wins (players ranked 1-17)
Djokovic 10 losses ( " " 9-319) 1 win (player ranked 15 )
Federer 9 losses ( " " 3-40 ) 1 win (player ranked 4 )
Murray 10 losses (players ranked 1-90 ) 0 wins

I agree he isn't a given to win the US Open, but who is?

 

[Cesc Fabregas]

Erm this was before Nadal won all the clay tournaments and RG/Wimbledon, he's a different player now. OP is a troll.

 

[KingOfTennis]

Nadal was injured in those matches, except maybe Davy where he choked.

bahahahaha. dont u guys have any other excuses?

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

Nadal was injured in those matches, except maybe Davy where he choked.

Please be kidding

Yeah, Tsonga was Top 10 Miami this year, I believe. But top 10 doesn't mean much in tennis. Top 8 does.

 

[KingOfTennis]

jamesblakefan#1 why you are showing as statistic only from Miami09 till now???I see only 4 matches that Nadal was competetive in this period-Miami2009,Qatar2010,AO2010,IW2010!!!All the other matches was during the worst period in his career and you know the reasons for that!!!You don't want to bash him,but you chose to show this period?!?!?!

So....he is 19-15 on hard courts vs top 10 till Miami 2009!And all we know till 2008 what kind a player was Nadal on hard courts!!!
Or let's count only his best perid on hard courts vs top10 Toronto2008-Miami2009!!He is 7-3 in this period!!
So What?!?!
Why is always needed when someone wants to discredit Nadal he must show statistics from the worst and most difficult period of his career???
My point is these numbers don't mean nothing now!!Reality looks like this: Rafael Nadal won the last three Masters,Roland Garros and Wimbledon!Though they don't want,but some people must realise that Rafael Nadal is one of the favorite to win the USO!Ofcuourse only blind person would say that this title is already his!But only blind person woild say that hi is not a favorite aswel!!!

Jeez!!Some people don't want to count him even like favorite!
Stop with that hate and enjoy the bloody tennis!!

cuz his results back 3 years ago dont matter. i mean if you look at the whole match records, wouldnt Federer be the favorite at this years us open and every other tourny except clay ones?

 

[vortex1]

Please be kidding

Yeah, Tsonga was Top 10 Miami this year, I believe. But top 10 doesn't mean much in tennis. Top 8 does.

Aren't you the one who had that signature how Nadal is 1-10 vs top 10 players, then you changed to "on non clay" after Federer and Soderling both got a beating, then to some other nonsense after Wimbledon? You clearly hate Nadal, you even admitted it a couple of months ago, literally everything you post in regards to Nadal is biased. I even remember you rooting for clowns nobody even heard of before just so that Nadal would lose...

And now only top 8 matters? Says who? Your precious Djokovic couldn't even reach a slam final with clown draws he's been getting, losing to tennis juggernauts like Melzer on clay after being 2 sets up. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

 

[T1000]

JBF it doesn't matter, Nadal clearly has a better serve than Isner and that's all he needs to win the USO

 

[Deleted member 21996]

You clearly hate Nadal, you even admitted it a couple of months ago,

so?

he has good taste you you dont (nadal & justine)! what is the problem with that?

 

[vortex1]

so?

he has good taste you you dont (nadal & justine)! what is the problem with that?

Being a fan of Faker and Gonzo is "good taste"? Whatever you say

 

[Deleted member 21996]

Being a fan of Faker and Gonzo is "good taste"? Whatever you say

better than cheater & cheater....

 

[TennisNewb]

Favorite to win it or not...he is playing better tennis than anyone right now. You can't argue that. I'm a huge Nadal fan but I believe this USO is going to slip away. He will get one, but probably not until Fed leaves.

 

[P_Agony]

Nadal was injured in those matches, except maybe Davy where he choked.

Nadal? injured? No way!

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

OP is such a **** :lol:

Come on Bud, these are objective stats. You cannot argue with them. Stop being a ****, ****. :lol:

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

jamesblakefan#1 why you are showing as statistic only from Miami09 till now???I see only 4 matches that Nadal was competetive in this period-Miami2009,Qatar2010,AO2010,IW2010!!!All the other matches was during the worst period in his career and you know the reasons for that!!!You don't want to bash him,but you chose to show this period?!?!?!

...................

So....he is 19-15 on hard courts vs top 10 till Miami 2009!And all we know till 2008 what kind a player was Nadal on hard courts!!!
Or let's count only his best perid on hard courts vs top10 Toronto2008-Miami2009!!He is 7-3 in this period!!
So What?!?!
Why is always needed when someone wants to discredit Nadal he must show statistics from the worst and most difficult period of his career???
My point is these numbers don't mean nothing now!!Reality looks like this: Rafael Nadal won the last three Masters,Roland Garros and Wimbledon!Though they don't want,but some people must realise that Rafael Nadal is one of the favorite to win the USO!Ofcuourse only blind person would say that this title is already his!But only blind person woild say that hi is not a favorite aswel!!!

Jeez!!Some people don't want to count him even like favorite!
Stop with that hate and enjoy the bloody tennis!!

Yes Nadal is one of the favorites, he has to be. But I am only showing why at this point he should not be looked at as a clear favorite or definite favorite, or as some have said Nadal is a lock (Bud, vortex). He is not, until he gets some wins over top 10 players on HC which he could and should do before the USO in Cincy/Canada. But if he plays again against top 10 players and loses, why should he be favored to win the title he's never won, at an event where he's never defeated a top 10 player?

So who would you make as favourite? The top four have the following results this year:-

Nadal 5 losses (players ranked 4-31 ) 5 wins (players ranked 1-17)
Djokovic 10 losses ( " " 9-319) 1 win (player ranked 15 )
Federer 9 losses ( " " 3-40 ) 1 win (player ranked 4 )
Murray 10 losses (players ranked 1-90 ) 0 wins

I agree he isn't a given to win the US Open, but who is?

Like I said in another thread, this all seems similar to 2008 to me where a lot of people were writing off Federer. Fed's results at Wimby/RG were disappointing, but he can turn things around pretty quickly as he's done in the past. Guys like Murray, Djokovic, Sod, Rod are not going to be pushovers. And lots of dangerous floaters who even if they don't beat Nadal could take a lot out of him in a long 4-5 set match. To me Federer is the favorite. Nadal is 2nd which is generous IMO. But it's wide open and there is no clear or 'definite favorite, but Nadal shouldn't be a definite favorite when you look at his resume at the USO and against top 10 players on HC recently.

 

[muzza123]

nadal looking good, will make it competitive vs top 8 opponent at USO.

 

[Deleted member 21996]

Stepanek looking virile. will consumate marriage long time

and stop pointing at me!

 

[Radobg]

Yes Nadal is one of the favorites, he has to be. But I am only showing why at this point he should not be looked at as a clear favorite or definite favorite, or as some have said Nadal is a lock (Bud, vortex). He is not, until he gets some wins over top 10 players on HC which he could and should do before the USO in Cincy/Canada. But if he plays again against top 10 players and loses, why should he be favored to win the title he's never won, at an event where he's never defeated a top 10 player?



Like I said in another thread, this all seems similar to 2008 to me where a lot of people were writing off Federer. Fed's results at Wimby/RG were disappointing, but he can turn things around pretty quickly as he's done in the past. Guys like Murray, Djokovic, Sod, Rod are not going to be pushovers. And lots of dangerous floaters who even if they don't beat Nadal could take a lot out of him in a long 4-5 set match. To me Federer is the favorite. Nadal is 2nd which is generous IMO. But it's wide open and there is no clear or 'definite favorite, but Nadal shouldn't be a definite favorite when you look at his resume at the USO and against top 10 players on HC recently.

JBF for me Rafa will not be lock for the USO title even if he win both Canada and Cincy!None is lock for any title anywhere!!
Maybe you don't understand me right!I just think that the statistic that you showed is not important(like the one that I wrote)!Because Nadal is not the same player from the last fall!!And from 2005-2007aswel!And the situation now in the tour is away diferent from the last year and even from 2008!
He is just the curent #1 with the best results so far and to not be cinsindered like one of the favortes for me is wrong!

 

[muzza123]

Is it true that Nadal has never beaten a top 8 player at the USO?

am too lazy to check

thanks in advance

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

Aren't you the one who had that signature how Nadal is 1-10 vs top 10 players, then you changed to "on non clay" after Federer and Soderling both got a beating, then to some other nonsense after Wimbledon? You clearly hate Nadal, you even admitted it a couple of months ago, literally everything you post in regards to Nadal is biased. I even remember you rooting for clowns nobody even heard of before just so that Nadal would lose...

And now only top 8 matters? Says who? Your precious Djokovic couldn't even reach a slam final with clown draws he's been getting, losing to tennis juggernauts like Melzer on clay after being 2 sets up. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

im really not that big a djokovic fan...I was rooting for melzer...

yes, nadal its one of my least favorite players.howeve,I recognize him as the world's best on clay and up thee on grass. I might have some bias, but I try to credit players I don't like somewhat and certainly bash those I do

 

[CMM]

I wonder why people are so upset at the thought of Nadal being the favourite?

He IS the favourite no matter how you try to spin it

 

[miyagi]

LOL Rafa would actually probably say something along those lines, obviously not the punch you bit!

 

[meg0529]

Is it true that Nadal has never beaten a top 8 player at the USO?

am too lazy to check

thanks in advance

looks like you are right! That's crazy! Same holds true for cincy! He lost to novak in the semis both last year and the year before

 

[muzza123]

looks like you are right! That's crazy! Same holds true for cincy! He lost to novak in the semis both last year and the year before

dare I say "cupcake draw"?

*waits for ******* ambush*

 

[abmk]

he he

10 chars !

 

[muzza123]

Am curious - who is the highest ranked player Nadal has beaten at the USO and what was his ranking?

meg0529 - can you check for me pretty please with cherry on top and extra cream?

 

[LeoR]

Is it true that Nadal has never beaten a top 8 player at the USO?

am too lazy to check

thanks in advance

People were using the exact same argument before Nadal won Wimbledon in 2008 and the Australian Open in 2009.

I take it as a very good sign that it's being used again.

 

[muzza123]

People were using the exact same argument before Nadal won Wimbledon in 2008 and the Australian Open in 2009.

I take it as a very good sign that it's being used again.

Who is highest ranked player nadal has beaten at the USO and what was his ranking at that time?

Please, I really do want to know. :-?

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

that was a pretty easy ao 09 draw....
seems a lot of recent slams were won with easy draws, really.
ao 09, rg 09, wb 09, rg 10

 

[muzza123]

I;m going to assume the highest ranked player nadal has beaten at USO is Gonzo, 11th seed at the time (2009 QF).

 

[meg0529]

dare I say "cupcake draw"?

*waits for ******* ambush*

your face is* a cupkake draw =D

 

[muzza123]

your face I a cupkake draw =D

je ne comprend pas

 

[meg0529]

je ne comprend pas

damn it! Stupid spell check! Fixed it for u!

 

[Deleted member 21996]

je ne comprend pas

she spoke in nadaglish...

your face i a cupcake draw : i draw cupcakes in your face

another example...


rI play gud and i rhave a famousse back no? = i did ok and i everyone was looking at what i was picking!

 

[TMF]

Erm this was before Nadal won all the clay tournaments and RG/Wimbledon, he's a different player now. OP is a troll.

You have short term memory. This year is the resemblance to 2008. What happen at the 2008 USO? Now be quiet!

 

[meg0529]

she spoke in nadaglish...

your face i a cupcake draw : i draw cupcakes in your face

another example...


rI play gud and i rhave a famousse back no? = i did ok and i everyone was looking at what i was picking!

Loll shut up it was a typo!!!

 

[muzza123]

your face is* a cupkake draw =D

she spoke in nadaglish...

your face i a cupcake draw : i draw cupcakes in your face

And I thought I posted random comments.

 

[Jchurch]

Erm this was before Nadal won all the clay tournaments and RG/Wimbledon, he's a different player now. OP is a troll.

And Hard Court is a VASTLY different surface.

 

[Bud]

Hey Bud!Can you make a Thread for the records vs Top10 oponents similar to the "ATP 5-set Records"thread!I'm sik of these "Nadal vs Top6","Nadal vs Top7","Nadal vs Top8*!Let's see how the others are doing agains the top10!!!I think for everybody will be intersting to see that!But agains top10!OK?I never sow statistic in ATP for records agains Top7 or Top8:lol:
I wanted to make it alone but my English is terible and I'm not too familar with the ruls here!I think Mustard can help aswel!
So if you want....
Cheers!

Is the information freely (and easily) available? Or, does it requires sorting through every players match history?