Nadal vs Top 10 Players on HC (since Winning Indian Wells 2009)

Bud

Bionic Poster
Please be kidding

Yeah, Tsonga was Top 10 Miami this year, I believe. But top 10 doesn't mean much in tennis. Top 8 does.

Aren't you the one who had that signature how Nadal is 1-10 vs top 10 players, then you changed to "on non clay" after Federer and Soderling both got a beating, then to some other nonsense after Wimbledon? You clearly hate Nadal, you even admitted it a couple of months ago, literally everything you post in regards to Nadal is biased. I even remember you rooting for clowns nobody even heard of before just so that Nadal would lose...

And now only top 8 matters? Says who? Your precious Djokovic couldn't even reach a slam final with clown draws he's been getting, losing to tennis juggernauts like Melzer on clay after being 2 sets up. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

Busted! :twisted:

DG2010 continually moves the goal posts to keep things interesting :lol:
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Is it true that Nadal has never beaten a top 8 player at the USO?

am too lazy to check

thanks in advance

Yes. He's winless against the top 10 player. For him to even think about winning this slam, he first need to figure out how to beat the top tenner.
 

muzza123

Banned
yes yes that was a fail in every possible way, but I'm bored and I don't want to partake in the whole ******* vs ******* debate. :)

Didn't say it was a fail!

Randomness is good!

Like you say, it's either that or partake in the usual handbag fight that dominates this forum.
 

Cyan

Hall of Fame
You have short term memory. This year is the resemblance to 2008. What happen at the 2008 USO? Now be quiet!

Not really. In 2008 Federer lost in the FINALS of FO and Wimbledon. This year he lost in the QF of both slams to players he used to own in the past. The tall ballbashers he used to own are now beating him: Sod, Berdych, Del Potro...

Of course Fed having won 5 USO and being the champ he is will be the favorite to win USO. That does not mean he will and this year is not exactly like 2 years ago since he is older now. I would put Fed and then Murray as the faves to win the USO. Nole would be my third fave since he already reached the USO final like Muzza did.
 

muzza123

Banned
Any reasonable, objective tennis fan would rank the favourites as follows:

1. Federer/Murray
2. Djokovic
3. Nadal

Remember boys and girls, this is the US Open!

;)
 

muzza123

Banned
Yes. He's winless against the top 10 player. For him to even think about winning this slam, he first need to figure out how to beat the top tenner.

He almost beat a top 10 player in Gonzo (who was ranked 11th) at USO 2009.

But Top 8 (WTF group) is what matters to me ;)
 

egn

Hall of Fame
jamesblakefan#1 why you are showing as statistic only from Miami09 till now???I see only 4 matches that Nadal was competetive in this period-Miami2009,Qatar2010,AO2010,IW2010!!!All the other matches was during the worst period in his career and you know the reasons for that!!!You don't want to bash him,but you chose to show this period?!?!?!

Let's see all his mathces vs top10 before Miami2009!!!Can we?

THERE IT IS:

2004 Miami R32-vs #1 Federer W 63 63*
2004 Toronto R64-vs #10 Hewitt L 61 46 26
2004 USO R64-vs #2 Roddick L 06 36 46
2005 AO R16-vs #3 Hewitt L 57 63 61 67 26
2005 Montreal F-vs #7 Agassi W 63 46 62*
2005 Bejing F-vs #8 Coria W 57 61 62*
2006 Dubai F-vs #1 Federer W 26 64 64*
2006 TMC RR-vs #8 Blake L 46 67
2006 TMC RR-vs #6 Robredo W 76 62*
2006 TMC RR-vs #3 Davydenko W 57 64 64*
2006 TMC S-vs #1 Federer L 46 57
2007 AO Q-vs #9 Gonzalez L 26 46 36
2007 IW S-vs #3 Roddick W 64 63*
2007 Miami Q-vs #10 Djokovic L 36 46
2007 Montreal S-vs #4 Djokovic L 57 36
2007 TMC RR-vs #8 Gasquet W 36 63 64*
2007 TMC RR-vs #6 Ferrer L 64 46 36
2007 TMC RR-vs #3 Djokovic W 64 64*
2007 TMC RR-vs #1 Federer L 46 16
2008 Dubai Q-vs #6 Roddick L 67 26
2008 IW Q-vs #9 Blake W 75 36 63*
2008 IW S-vs #3 Djokovic L 36 26
2008 Miami Q-vs #9 Blake W 36 63 61*
2008 Miami S-vs #10 Berdych W 76 62*
2008 Miami F-vs #4 Davydenko L 46 26
2008 Toronto S-vs #9 Murray W 76 63*
2008 Cincinnati S-vs #3 Djokovic L 16 57
2008 Olympics S-vs#3 Djokovic W 64 16 64*
2008 USO S-vs #4 Murray L 26 67 64 46
2009 AO Q-vs #8 Simon W 62 75 75*
2009 AO F-vs #2 Federer W 75 36 76 36 62*
2009 Rotterdam F-vs #4 Murray L 36 64 06
2009 IW Q-vs #6 Del Potro W 62 64*
2009 IW S-vs #7 Roddick W 64 76*
2009 IW F-vs #4 Murray W 61 62*

So....he is 19-15 on hard courts vs top 10 till Miami 2009!And all we know till 2008 what kind a player was Nadal on hard courts!!!
Or let's count only his best perid on hard courts vs top10 Toronto2008-Miami2009!!He is 7-3 in this period!!
So What?!?!
Why is always needed when someone wants to discredit Nadal he must show statistics from the worst and most difficult period of his career???
My point is these numbers don't mean nothing now!!Reality looks like this: Rafael Nadal won the last three Masters,Roland Garros and Wimbledon!Though they don't want,but some people must realise that Rafael Nadal is one of the favorite to win the USO!Ofcuourse only blind person would say that this title is already his!But only blind person woild say that hi is not a favorite aswel!!!

Jeez!!Some people don't want to count him even like favorite!
Stop with that hate and enjoy the bloody tennis!!

So you are arguing that he was worse on hardcourts in all of 09 and early 10 then he was in 04-06....In total Nadal's hardcourt record against the top 10 is 21-27....thats not very impressive. I think the point jamesblakefan was trying to make is as of late Nadal has been very beatable again on the surface. I agree though Nadal is definitely a favorite going into this US Open since as of late not a lot of the top 10 has been able to beat the guys they should be beating so they might not even make it to Nadal. Fed is definitely not in top form, it will be interesting to see how Murray and Djoker fare for this part of the season. Not to mention Davydenko is coming off an injury, Del Potro is missing and Roddick is a bit flustered still by his early exit in wimbledon. You really don't have that many threats around. Honestly this seems like it might be Nadal's best chance yet to win the US Open so he needs to capitalize on it, the hardcourt field is a mess right now.
 

muzza123

Banned
So you are arguing that he was worse on hardcourts in all of 09 and early 10 then he was in 04-06....In total Nadal's hardcourt record against the top 10 is 21-27....

Radobg - what do you have to say in your defence? :twisted:
 

egn

Hall of Fame
I would tend to agree, based on what I saw.

But this is an interesting clip nonetheless...

http://www.nadalnews.com/2010/04/03/miami-thigh-slapping-moment-translated/

So his knee injury vanished over what like a week span and he went on to be undefeated in the clay court season winning all 3 master series and then winning wimbledon...sick of this crap. If his knee was so bad he should have just retired from the match and not risked making it worse. Roddick outplayed him which was a nice change of place. Roddick played amazing tennis that much don't want to hear this knee crap it's just literally becoming everytime Nadal loses oh it's the knee again.
 

muzza123

Banned
So his knee injury vanished over what like a week span and he went on to be undefeated in the clay court season winning all 3 master series and then winning wimbledon...sick of this crap. If his knee was so bad he should have just retired from the match and not risked making it worse. Roddick outplayed him which was a nice change of place. Roddick played amazing tennis that much don't want to hear this knee crap it's just literally becoming everytime Nadal loses oh it's the knee again.

Easy boss!

I just said the clip was interesting :cry:
 

egn

Hall of Fame
Easy boss!

I just said the clip was interesting :cry:

:( Sorry not attacking you.

Oh no I'm not mad at you I just know it's what vortex and a handful of others are going to just use to discredit wins guys like Ljubicic and Roddick worked hard for. It always happens as of late. When was the last time Nadal lost and he wasn't "injuried". Had to be 2008 US open vs Murray, but then they will cite the horrible scheduling and things like that as the reason.
 

tea

Banned
Nadal was injured in those matches, except maybe Davy where he choked.
:lol:

When it comes to Nadal we better not use W or L specificators, but W or I instead. W = Win, I = Injured - and no other option given.
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Jchurch

Guest
:lol:

When it comes to Nadal we better not use W or L specificators, but W or I instead. W = Win, I = Injured - and no other option given.
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So what you are saying is Nadal is the first undefeated player in Tennis history :)
 
:( Sorry not attacking you.

Oh no I'm not mad at you I just know it's what vortex and a handful of others are going to just use to discredit wins guys like Ljubicic and Roddick worked hard for. It always happens as of late. When was the last time Nadal lost and he wasn't "injuried". Had to be 2008 US open vs Murray, but then they will cite the horrible scheduling and things like that as the reason.

That's another point I'd like to make. Nadal had chances to win plenty of those matches. But for whatever reason, played badly on the big points and lost confidence, while his opponents gained confidence and seized the opportunities to get the win.

A lot of you are saying Nadal's confidence is at its' highest. A point that is hard to argue with. But on HC, a surface which is a lot of these guys' favorite, they will be more confident in their chances against Nadal, and more likely to win those big points in matches. For instance the match vs Murray at Wimbledon was close, what's saying that on HC at the USO Murray won't have the confidence to win those big points, especially since he's done it twice before against Rafa on HC slams.

I think to a certain extent guys like Murray, Sod, and Berd were intimidated and took themselves out of it a bit mentally when they went out and played Rafa at RG/Wimby. But at a place like the USO where Nadal is a lot less invincible, the odds will be evened in some ways and those guys will be a bit more confident in their chances. I hope that makes sense to you, if not...oh well. :?
 

Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
Any reasonable, objective tennis fan would rank the favourites as follows:

1. Federer/Murray
2. Djokovic
3. Nadal

Remember boys and girls, this is the US Open!

;)

A reasonable fan or one who just woke from a coma believing it is January 2010?

I couldn't care less if Nadal is the favorite, but if he's not, who should be? Fed, who looks borderline washed up? Murray, the choker who has never won a slam? Djokovic, the choker who was lucky to win one slam? Del Potro, in his first match of the year? Roddick? Soderling? Who?

If Nadal were to meet Murray or Djokovic in the final, and you were forced to bet everything you own on the winner, every person on this forum would secretly put his home on Nadal(Murray and Djokovic fans included).
 

muzza123

Banned
A reasonable fan or one who just woke from a coma believing it is January 2010?

I couldn't care less if Nadal is the favorite, but if he's not, who should be? Fed, who looks borderline washed up? Murray, the choker who has never won a slam? Djokovic, the choker who was lucky to win one slam? Del Potro, in his first match of the year? Roddick? Soderling? Who?

If Nadal were to meet Murray or Djokovic in the final, and you were forced to bet everything you own on the winner, every person on this forum would secretly put his home on Nadal(Murray and Djokovic fans included).

Then every person on this forum would be a mug because any shrewd punter would need to check the odds first, to ascertain where the value is ;)

You often bet on tennis?
 
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TennisandMusic

Guest
So his knee injury vanished over what like a week span and he went on to be undefeated in the clay court season winning all 3 master series and then winning wimbledon...sick of this crap. If his knee was so bad he should have just retired from the match and not risked making it worse. Roddick outplayed him which was a nice change of place. Roddick played amazing tennis that much don't want to hear this knee crap it's just literally becoming everytime Nadal loses oh it's the knee again.

He got treatment on his knee after Miami. I guess you didn't see his changeover when he was bashing his leg with his fist and saying "Damn Knee!" in Spanish, while looking incredibly pissed. :lol:

Roddick didn't play all THAT great in that match. Yeah he deserved to win, because he was the better player, but there was a REASON Nadal played poorly.

It's funny how you claim some people make excuses, but you have no problem with the people who try and take away all credit. I mean look at this thread? Look at Nadal's performance vs. the top ten on his worst surface, during his worst period in years? Come on, what is that?

Why not a Federer vs all players on every surface after AO thread?
 

P_Agony

Banned
A reasonable fan or one who just woke from a coma believing it is January 2010?

I couldn't care less if Nadal is the favorite, but if he's not, who should be? Fed, who looks borderline washed up? Murray, the choker who has never won a slam? Djokovic, the choker who was lucky to win one slam? Del Potro, in his first match of the year? Roddick? Soderling? Who?

If Nadal were to meet Murray or Djokovic in the final, and you were forced to bet everything you own on the winner, every person on this forum would secretly put his home on Nadal(Murray and Djokovic fans included).

This is the first, and probably last, time I agree with you. Nadal is the favorite, but he's not a huge favorite. It's still the USO, after all.
 
He got treatment on his knee after Miami. I guess you didn't see his changeover when he was bashing his leg with his fist and saying "Damn Knee!" in Spanish, while looking incredibly pissed. :lol:

Roddick didn't play all THAT great in that match. Yeah he deserved to win, because he was the better player, but there was a REASON Nadal played poorly.

It's funny how you claim some people make excuses, but you have no problem with the people who try and take away all credit. I mean look at this thread? Look at Nadal's performance vs. the top ten on his worst surface, during his worst period in years? Come on, what is that?

Why not a Federer vs all players on every surface after AO thread?

Nadal receives treatment on that knee after every tournament. Seriously when are you guys going to stop it with the "Nadal loses = injured" crap and taking credit from opponents who beat him? Funny how when you don't have anything to counter what I'm saying you guys just write it off and say Nadal was injured, or call me a ****, etc. But I clearly stated that if Nadal beats top 10 guys in the leadup to the Open he warrants being the favorite, but to say that a guy who's never made the final, never beaten a top 10 opponent at the Open, is definite favorite, is mind boggling. Yes I do still put Fed ahead of him, despite what his struggles have been. Nadal is still #2 at the Open IMO. To me it's wide open and up for grabs, but no one is clear favorite, but if rating them Nadal would be behind Federer right now.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
nadal was going thru puberty in many of his losses,,,, so NO,,,,, he has not always been injured when he loses.
 

egn

Hall of Fame
He got treatment on his knee after Miami. I guess you didn't see his changeover when he was bashing his leg with his fist and saying "Damn Knee!" in Spanish, while looking incredibly pissed. :lol:

Roddick didn't play all THAT great in that match. Yeah he deserved to win, because he was the better player, but there was a REASON Nadal played poorly.

It's funny how you claim some people make excuses, but you have no problem with the people who try and take away all credit. I mean look at this thread? Look at Nadal's performance vs. the top ten on his worst surface, during his worst period in years? Come on, what is that?

Why not a Federer vs all players on every surface after AO thread?

Taking away what credit? All this thread was made by jamesblakefan to say no Nadal is not the unanimous favorite to win the US Open.

I saw his changeover and I'm sick of that crap. He gets treatment only when he loses, when has Nadal won a tournament and received treatment on his knees or complained. Why was he not complaining about his knees in set one? Where was he complaining about his knees for the rest of the tournament. So they found the magical knee curing elixir after his loss to Roddick and it's holding him through what until the next tough loss?

The thread was made to point out Nadal should not be a favorite on his worst surface. Like seriously wtf are you brain dead? Did you read OP post. He is just pointing out that before we all go crown Nadal GOD and hand him a US Open he has a lot to overcome. His 0-3 record against top 10 players, the fact that since Miami 09 he has been running into a lot of trouble against guys on hardcourts. Where is their discredting? THERE IS NONE YOUR ON YOUR PARANOIA GAME. If Nadal win's the US Open he wins it, it's not like the OP was like Nadal doesn't deserve his Austrailan Open. He's not discrediting Nadal's French Open or Wimbledon wins. HE SIMPLY SHOWED THAT NADAL HAS BEEN STRUGGLING ON HARDCOURTS AS OF LATE AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE US OPEN BASED ON HIS CURRENT PERFORMANCE ON HARDCOURT.

There is always a REASON Nadal played poorly. How about he just got outplayed. Roddick came out with a new strategy. Like seriously what Nadal did against Murray was dirty, I'd be pissed if I was Murray. Murray was playing amazing and Nadal retires what 3 games away from being defeated. Nadal and Federer who takes no exception to this as of late seem to have the excuse train ready to be rolled out upon their losses. I'm sick of hearing the two are injured, how about they simply got outplayed. It's ridiculous.

Yea Fed has definitely been playing like crap lately, and frankly who is disagreeing with that. Fed's no longer tanking (he's actually losing) and if Fed fans are still going to believe that they are blind. The past two months have been proof of that, Fed isn't best on the tour anymore. He's not going to be able to dominate, he is no longer at his max playing potential but other players have definitely passed him and figured out his weaknesses. I'm sick of oh if Fed from 06 was here, well guess what he's not so shut up and take it. Fed lost. Berdych and Soderling gave him more than he can handle. Tough it out and come back with a new strategy. Seriously when Agassi was playing when he was 30 something you never heard the crap, Agassi toughed out his losses and came back to try again. Fed is a grown man who has 16 majors why are people even wasting their time making excuses. Same goes for Nadal, he ain't some 18 year old kid anymore, he is 24, number 1 in the world, has 8 majors. Shut up and take a loss. I'm sick of your knees, they are always eternally killing you, if they are that bad QUIT THE DAMN SPORT.

How about the army of Nadal worshipers stop bringing up his knee all the time. It's apparently always going to be injured so frankly it should no longer be an excuse, he might as well just not play tennis at all if the knee is that bad.

Really the summer of 2009 into spring of 2010 was not THAT BAD either. He was consistently going deep in almost every event he played with exception to the World Tour Finals.
 
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Serendipitous

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It is actually breezing by for me since Im taking classes.

Would you care to back up your blind ignorance and prejudice with some facts?
It is generally accepted that Murray is the player that Nadal struggles with the most.
Two GS defeats at the USO semi and AO quarter and various other difficult tight matches would support this view.
 
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Serendipitous

Guest
You should go ahead and take that logic course. :mad:

Same with my school but I decided to go for it because I wanted to take organic chem with a good professor rather than the goblin who teaches in the main semester.

Isn't lovely how the people who thumb their historical noses at Margaret Court's 11 Australian Open wins suddenly think the Australian Open is great when their fav attempts to use their Australian Open wins to get to achieve a superficial GOAT status?

I mean, let's at least be consistent with our historical disdain outside of Wimbledon, shall we?

Mother Marjorie thinks that before you throw stones at grand slam events not Wimbledon, you should really think twice before hurling.
 
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Serendipitous

Guest
Funny how the Fed trolls changed
when they realized what a clown era this was and still is.
No need to see him endure bagel stomping.
It's ALWAYS nice to watch Federer lose
after his doormats (Roddick, Blake, Agassi, Santoro, Hewitt, etc.)
declare him the greatest player & gentleman.
Misguided Fed fanatics are true trolls.
Arrogant but silent after he loses.

You're right, let the mods take care of this - I only had and always will have this one account, they are free to ban multiple account users, I couldn't care less.
 
I'm so lonely!!! Just me and like 2 others...

No love for Federer and actively dislike Nadal while their fans rage around me. When the arguments break out I have a slight bias in favor of the ******* side, but I never get into say...Gonzotard battles
 
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meg0529

Guest
You should go ahead and take that logic course. :mad:

Same with my school but I decided to go for it because I wanted to take organic chem with a good professor rather than the goblin who teaches in the main semester.

Quit stalking drakulie, he will turn you into a grumpy man. :evil:

I feel you on the orgo, I had an old german guy, who pretty much spoke "german" and wrote in german on the board. Needless to say that didn't go too well. Best part is, he knew he sucked, so to get an A in the class your final grade needed to be a 60. :shock:
 
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Serendipitous

Guest
Quit stalking drakulie, he will turn you into a grumpy man. :evil:

I feel you on the orgo, I had an old german guy, who pretty much spoke "german" and wrote in german on the board. Needless to say that didn't go too well. Best part is, he knew he sucked, so to get an A in the class your final grade needed to be a 60. :shock:

Ideology is a set of beliefs that guides an individual.

Please feel free to write down your own beliefs that you have accumulated over the years and let us have a meaningful discussion about them.

Here are some of mine that I have recently thought about:

Less is really More.
Discipline leads to results.
Inspirations come from within--they are only triggered externally.
Dreams are messages sent from the soul.

Of course, in a thread like this, opinions will fly, but keep it civil so we can all get something out of this.
 

NADALbULLS

Banned
2009 Miami QF - vs #7 Juan Martin Del Potro L 4-6, 6-3, 6-7(3)
2009 Canada QF - vs #6 Juan Martin Del Potro L 6-7(5), 1-6
2009 Cincinnati SF - vs #4 Novak Djokovic L 1-6, 4-6
2009 US Open SF - vs #6 Juan Martin Del Potro L 2-6, 2-6, 2-6
2009 Shanghai F - vs #8 Nikolay Davydenko L 6-7(3), 3-6
2009 Paris QF - vs #9 JW Tsonga W 7-5, 7-5
2009 Paris SF - vs #3 Novak Djokovic L 2-6, 3-6
2009 ATP World Tour Finals RR - vs #9 Robin Soderling L 4-6, 4-6
2009 ATP World Tour Finals RR - vs #7 Nikolay Davydenko L 1-6, 6-7(4)
2009 ATP World Tour Finals RR - vs #3 Novak Djokovic (SRB) L 6-7(5), 3-6
2010 Qatar F - vs #6 Nikolay Davydenko L 6-0, 6-7(8 ), 4-6
2010 Australian Open QF - vs #4 Andy Murray L 3-6, 6-7(2), 0-3 RET
2010 Miami QF - vs #10 JW Tsonga W 6-3, 6-2
2010 Miami SF - vs #8 Andy Roddick L 6-4, 3-6, 3-6

In the 16 months since defeating Andy Murray to win the 2009 Indian Wells title, Nadal has yet to win a title on HC and only has reached 2 finals on the surface in 10 tournaments.

-Nadal is 2-12 vs top 10 players on HC during this period.
-Nadal is 0-11 vs top 8 players on HC during this period.
-In these 14 matches, Nadal won a total of 7 sets.

Now, please understand, I am not making this thread to bash Nadal in any way, only to point out the facts. Nadal is not a given to win the US Open, and it is my estimation that he is not the favorite due to these facts mentioned.

If Nadal rectifies this in the tournaments before the US Open, with wins over top 10 opposition, then maybe he should in fact be looked at as favorite. But as of right now, Nadal's record on HC does not stand up to being the favorite to win the US Open.

It is very rare that you win any Grand Slam without defeating a top 10 player, and at Nadal's weakest slam, top 10 players have been his achilles' heel - he is 0-3 vs top 10 players at Flushing Meadows.

There is no point to this thread, because you are only assessing Nadal during a year when he was plagued by tendonitis and various other injuries, his parents divorced, and his confidence was at a low never before or since since in his career. The fact that he's made 4 straight Wimbledon Finals with the exception of 2009 which he didn't even play says it all. You aren't going to get any meaningful statistics out of 2009. I bet you wish you never made this thread :neutral:
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
There is no point to this thread, because you are only assessing Nadal during a year when he was plagued by tendonitis and various other injuries, his parents divorced, and his confidence was at a low never before or since since in his career. The fact that he's made 4 straight Wimbledon Finals with the exception of 2009 which he didn't even play says it all. You aren't going to get any meaningful statistics out of 2009. I bet you wish you never made this thread :neutral:


Yeah, but everyone Nadal has beaten has been plagued by tendonitis, various other injuries, parents fighting, their confidence low, and dealing with puberty.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
There is no point to this thread, because you are only assessing Nadal during a year when he was plagued by tendonitis and various other injuries, his parents divorced, and his confidence was at a low never before or since since in his career. The fact that he's made 4 straight Wimbledon Finals with the exception of 2009 which he didn't even play says it all. You aren't going to get any meaningful statistics out of 2009. I bet you wish you never made this thread :neutral:

So what you are saying, ignore all of his bad stat but list only the positive one just to make rafa look good? Whether you like it or not, 2009 is still part of his career and it will be included in his resume. He was not plagued by injuries...he was burned-out, lost confident, couldn't keep up with Roger's consistently competing at a high level. Roger simply was more durable and reliable than him at the same age.
 
There is no point to this thread, because you are only assessing Nadal during a year when he was plagued by tendonitis and various other injuries, his parents divorced, and his confidence was at a low never before or since since in his career. The fact that he's made 4 straight Wimbledon Finals with the exception of 2009 which he didn't even play says it all. You aren't going to get any meaningful statistics out of 2009. I bet you wish you never made this thread :neutral:

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Particularly the divorce one. Nadal was still injured this year when he lost to Davydenko? How about when he was getting whipped by Murray? I know he got injured in the TB (allegedly), but Murray was already in control of the match. Now guys want to say that counts as a loss because of injury. And losses to Ljubicic and Roddick, were those because of injury too? Or was it an 'unfortunate accident', as Rafa would say?

Nadal fan handbook - Nadal loses = injured. This is getting very old guys.

And don't get me started on the divorce excuse. Nadal is a 24 year old man, not a 13 year old girl. Something like a parent's divorce has zero affect on the outcome of a match, and if it does for Nadal he should hand in his man card ASAP.
 
Nadal choked vs Davydenko, plain and simple

Bageled the Russian in the 1st
2 MPs in the 2nd
Led 3-1* 40-15 I believe in the 3rd

Not an injury
Murray would've won anyhow
He was not injured in about half of these matches, even with his excuse-making

The spirituality interview answer from him was fantastic, one of my favorite answers ever, but he needs to develop some sense of sportsmanship. Saying he was injured vs Ljubicic/Roddick 3 months later was one of the least classy things I've ever seen in sports
 

Radobg

Rookie
Radobg - what do you have to say in your defence? :twisted:

What I have to say is this:I'm not arguing that he was worst in 2009 than 2004-2007(and he was IMO in the second half of 2009)!I'm arguing with this thas someone is showing statistic from his worst period(and it happens this period to be at the fall hard court season!his worst part of the tour) and try to convist us that becouse of this statistic Nadal is not a favorite!Because for me JBF was clear that he isn't considering Nadal like favorite for USO!!

Maybe because of my bad english nobody understand my point!!!I don't think Rafa is lock for USO title!I just think he is one of the favorites to win it!!That's all!
 

NADALbULLS

Banned
Point is if you want statistics to mean anything there is no point going by an aberration year. Why not go by statistics covering every year of Nadal's career? Why just go by his worst year? It's simply not an objective sampling. I don't see anyone exclusively going by Federer's 2008 results to assess his career....
 

Radobg

Rookie
Is the information freely (and easily) available? Or, does it requires sorting through every players match history?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean,but this information you can easily get from ATP site,but it requires sorting!You need to count:)!!But maybe there is other sites that you can chek it!I'm just still new in internet and a lot of things are unknown for me!That's why I'm asking you to make this thread if you are interesting,because I'm sure you can do it faster than me!!
 

Talker

Hall of Fame
I'm not sure I understand what you mean,but this information you can easily get from ATP site,but it requires sorting!You need to count:)!!But maybe there is other sites that you can chek it!I'm just still new in internet and a lot of things are unknown for me!That's why I'm asking you to make this thread if you are interesting,because I'm sure you can do it faster than me!!

I think Murray has the best chance by a small margin. :neutral:
 

LeoR

Banned
Wow, these boards are filled with troll anti Nadal. Ts should be banned for such a stupid thread and all the answers or Federer fans.

Nadal is the favorite because he is the best player in the world by a huge margin right now. Nadal never came before into the USO under such ideal conditions.
 
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