Nadal vs Top 10 Players on HC (since Winning Indian Wells 2009)

abmk

Bionic Poster
Wow, these boards are filled with troll anti Nadal. Ts should be banned for such a stupid thread and all the answers or Federer fans.

Nadal is the favorite because he is the best player in the world by a huge margin right now. Nadal never came before into the USO under such ideal conditions.

oh, hasn't he ?

he won FO,queens,wimbledon,canada masters back to back in 2008 ( his FO and wimby victories were more convincing than that of this year's ) . came into USO winning the olympics.

Its too early to say anything, best to see how the players play in the events leading upto the USO
 

LeoR

Banned
oh, hasn't he ?

he won FO,queens,wimbledon,canada masters back to back in 2008 ( his FO and wimby victories were more convincing than that of this year's ) . came into USO winning the olympics.

Its too early to say anything, best to see how the players play in the events leading upto the USO

He was too green in 08. Now he has passed the right step (winning his first hardcourt slam) and will come fresher.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
He was too green in 08. Now he has passed the right step (winning his first hardcourt slam) and will come fresher.

too green in 08 ? LOL, no

he hasn't even won a title in 2010 on HC yet ! he'd won events on both slow HC and fast HC in 2008 before coming to USO ...(IIRC)

The only thing that could be a factor is he's won a HC slam now, but I don't think its that big a factor ...
 

LeoR

Banned
too green in 08 ? LOL, no

he hasn't even won a title in 2010 on HC yet ! he'd won events on both slow HC and fast HC in 2008 before coming to USO ...(IIRC)

The only thing that could be a factor is he's won a HC slam now, but I don't think its that big a factor ...

Like I said, what Nadal has done from RG 09 to right before MC 2010 is irrelevant.

He seems to be back where he left after IW 2009.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Like I said, what Nadal has done from RG 09 to right before MC 2010 is irrelevant.

He seems to be back where he left after IW 2009.

no, it is not irrelevant. many players feel they can beat him on HC - they'd have gained confidence from their wins over him ..

Again, like I said, best to wait till the events leading upto the USO are played before making any predictions ...
 

LeoR

Banned
no, it is not irrelevant. many players feel they can beat him on HC - they'd have gained confidence from their wins over him ..

Again, like I said, best to wait till the events leading upto the USO are played before making any predictions ...

You do like you want.

But confidence only take you so far when you face a superior player who is even more confident due to his last GS wins. That's why it's irrelevant.
 
Taking away what credit? All this thread was made by jamesblakefan to say no Nadal is not the unanimous favorite to win the US Open.

I saw his changeover and I'm sick of that crap. He gets treatment only when he loses, when has Nadal won a tournament and received treatment on his knees or complained. Why was he not complaining about his knees in set one? Where was he complaining about his knees for the rest of the tournament. So they found the magical knee curing elixir after his loss to Roddick and it's holding him through what until the next tough loss?

The thread was made to point out Nadal should not be a favorite on his worst surface. Like seriously wtf are you brain dead? Did you read OP post. He is just pointing out that before we all go crown Nadal GOD and hand him a US Open he has a lot to overcome. His 0-3 record against top 10 players, the fact that since Miami 09 he has been running into a lot of trouble against guys on hardcourts. Where is their discredting? THERE IS NONE YOUR ON YOUR PARANOIA GAME. If Nadal win's the US Open he wins it, it's not like the OP was like Nadal doesn't deserve his Austrailan Open. He's not discrediting Nadal's French Open or Wimbledon wins. HE SIMPLY SHOWED THAT NADAL HAS BEEN STRUGGLING ON HARDCOURTS AS OF LATE AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE US OPEN BASED ON HIS CURRENT PERFORMANCE ON HARDCOURT.

There is always a REASON Nadal played poorly. How about he just got outplayed. Roddick came out with a new strategy. Like seriously what Nadal did against Murray was dirty, I'd be pissed if I was Murray. Murray was playing amazing and Nadal retires what 3 games away from being defeated. Nadal and Federer who takes no exception to this as of late seem to have the excuse train ready to be rolled out upon their losses. I'm sick of hearing the two are injured, how about they simply got outplayed. It's ridiculous.

Yea Fed has definitely been playing like crap lately, and frankly who is disagreeing with that. Fed's no longer tanking (he's actually losing) and if Fed fans are still going to believe that they are blind. The past two months have been proof of that, Fed isn't best on the tour anymore. He's not going to be able to dominate, he is no longer at his max playing potential but other players have definitely passed him and figured out his weaknesses. I'm sick of oh if Fed from 06 was here, well guess what he's not so shut up and take it. Fed lost. Berdych and Soderling gave him more than he can handle. Tough it out and come back with a new strategy. Seriously when Agassi was playing when he was 30 something you never heard the crap, Agassi toughed out his losses and came back to try again. Fed is a grown man who has 16 majors why are people even wasting their time making excuses. Same goes for Nadal, he ain't some 18 year old kid anymore, he is 24, number 1 in the world, has 8 majors. Shut up and take a loss. I'm sick of your knees, they are always eternally killing you, if they are that bad QUIT THE DAMN SPORT.

How about the army of Nadal worshipers stop bringing up his knee all the time. It's apparently always going to be injured so frankly it should no longer be an excuse, he might as well just not play tennis at all if the knee is that bad.

Really the summer of 2009 into spring of 2010 was not THAT BAD either. He was consistently going deep in almost every event he played with exception to the World Tour Finals.

This guy knows what he's talking about. Well done sir.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
jamesblakefan#1 why you are showing as statistic only from Miami09 till now???I see only 4 matches that Nadal was competetive in this period-Miami2009,Qatar2010,AO2010,IW2010!!!All the other matches was during the worst period in his career and you know the reasons for that!!!You don't want to bash him,but you chose to show this period?!?!?!

Let's see all his mathces vs top10 before Miami2009!!!Can we?

THERE IT IS:

2004 Miami R32-vs #1 Federer W 63 63*
2004 Toronto R64-vs #10 Hewitt L 61 46 26
2004 USO R64-vs #2 Roddick L 06 36 46
2005 AO R16-vs #3 Hewitt L 57 63 61 67 26
2005 Montreal F-vs #7 Agassi W 63 46 62*
2005 Bejing F-vs #8 Coria W 57 61 62*
2006 Dubai F-vs #1 Federer W 26 64 64*
2006 TMC RR-vs #8 Blake L 46 67
2006 TMC RR-vs #6 Robredo W 76 62*
2006 TMC RR-vs #3 Davydenko W 57 64 64*
2006 TMC S-vs #1 Federer L 46 57
2007 AO Q-vs #9 Gonzalez L 26 46 36
2007 IW S-vs #3 Roddick W 64 63*
2007 Miami Q-vs #10 Djokovic L 36 46
2007 Montreal S-vs #4 Djokovic L 57 36
2007 TMC RR-vs #8 Gasquet W 36 63 64*
2007 TMC RR-vs #6 Ferrer L 64 46 36
2007 TMC RR-vs #3 Djokovic W 64 64*
2007 TMC RR-vs #1 Federer L 46 16
2008 Dubai Q-vs #6 Roddick L 67 26
2008 IW Q-vs #9 Blake W 75 36 63*
2008 IW S-vs #3 Djokovic L 36 26
2008 Miami Q-vs #9 Blake W 36 63 61*
2008 Miami S-vs #10 Berdych W 76 62*
2008 Miami F-vs #4 Davydenko L 46 26
2008 Toronto S-vs #9 Murray W 76 63*
2008 Cincinnati S-vs #3 Djokovic L 16 57
2008 Olympics S-vs#3 Djokovic W 64 16 64*
2008 USO S-vs #4 Murray L 26 67 64 46
2009 AO Q-vs #8 Simon W 62 75 75*
2009 AO F-vs #2 Federer W 75 36 76 36 62*
2009 Rotterdam F-vs #4 Murray L 36 64 06
2009 IW Q-vs #6 Del Potro W 62 64*
2009 IW S-vs #7 Roddick W 64 76*
2009 IW F-vs #4 Murray W 61 62*

So....he is 19-15 on hard courts vs top 10 till Miami 2009!And all we know till 2008 what kind a player was Nadal on hard courts!!!
Or let's count only his best perid on hard courts vs top10 Toronto2008-Miami2009!!He is 7-3 in this period!!
So What?!?!
Why is always needed when someone wants to discredit Nadal he must show statistics from the worst and most difficult period of his career???
My point is these numbers don't mean nothing now!!Reality looks like this: Rafael Nadal won the last three Masters,Roland Garros and Wimbledon!Though they don't want,but some people must realise that Rafael Nadal is one of the favorite to win the USO!Ofcuourse only blind person would say that this title is already his!But only blind person woild say that hi is not a favorite aswel!!!

Jeez!!Some people don't want to count him even like favorite!
Stop with that hate and enjoy the bloody tennis!!

Awesome post, Radobg!
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
He got treatment on his knee after Miami. I guess you didn't see his changeover when he was bashing his leg with his fist and saying "Damn Knee!" in Spanish, while looking incredibly pissed. :lol:

Roddick didn't play all THAT great in that match. Yeah he deserved to win, because he was the better player, but there was a REASON Nadal played poorly.

It's funny how you claim some people make excuses, but you have no problem with the people who try and take away all credit. I mean look at this thread? Look at Nadal's performance vs. the top ten on his worst surface, during his worst period in years? Come on, what is that?

Why not a Federer vs all players on every surface after AO thread?

That blows me away.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
So what you are saying, ignore all of his bad stat but list only the positive one just to make rafa look good? Whether you like it or not, 2009 is still part of his career and it will be included in his resume. He was not plagued by injuries...he was burned-out, lost confident, couldn't keep up with Roger's consistently competing at a high level. Roger simply was more durable and reliable than him at the same age.

No, but listing someone's worst year as a barometer of them as a player isn't very smart either. Who would want to, or try to define Federer by this year's results? It not only isn't prudent, but it would give a distorted view of him and his results as a player. And who would want to do that, and why?

Not that it matters, but I'm sure the oddsmakers aren't coming to TTW to see who they should list as a favorite.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
What I have to say is this:I'm not arguing that he was worst in 2009 than 2004-2007(and he was IMO in the second half of 2009)!I'm arguing with this thas someone is showing statistic from his worst period(and it happens this period to be at the fall hard court season!his worst part of the tour) and try to convist us that becouse of this statistic Nadal is not a favorite!Because for me JBF was clear that he isn't considering Nadal like favorite for USO!!

Maybe because of my bad english nobody understand my point!!!I don't think Rafa is lock for USO title!I just think he is one of the favorites to win it!!That's all!

You made complete sense. It was his worst year, simple as that.
 
Nadal's results on HC in 2009, supposedly his worst year

Win - Aussie Open, Indian Wells
RU - Shanghai MS, Rotterdam 500
SF - US Open, Cincinnati, Paris Masters, Beijing
QF - Miami, Canada, Doha

Nadal didn't lose before the QF of any HC event. The only season of his career where he managed such a feat. And this is supposedly his 'worse year'.

Now let's look at the records of Nadal on HC, and see if 2009 was actually his 'worst year'.

Nadal 2009 - 42-12 (.778) - won AO, IW; RU Shanghai, Rotterdam; SF US Open, Beijing, Cincy, Paris, QF Miami, Canada, Doha
Nadal 2008 - 45-10 (.818) - won Canada, Olympic Gold; RU Miami, Chennai; SF US Open, AO, IW, Cincy; QF Paris, Dubai
Nadal 2007 - 31-12 (.721) - Won IW; RU Paris; SF Canada, YEC; QF AO, Dubai
Nadal 2006 - 25-10 (.714) - won Dubai; SF IW, YEC; QF USO, Cincy
Nadal 2005 - 30-7 (.811) - won Madrid, Canada, Beijing; RU Miami

So in Nadal's supposed 'worst year', he was able to post the 2nd most wins of his career on HC, be more consistent on the surface than ever before in his career, and oh yeah, win the only HC slam of his career. Go figure.

Nadal was consistent on HC, but once he ran into the big dogs he lost. That was the case last year, and remained the case earlier this year. We shall see if the story changes in Canada and Cincy.

The only point that I was making is that as of right now, given a) Nadal's recent history against top guys on HC and b) Nadal's career history against top 10 guys at Flushing Meadows (0-3) it is premature to say he is the clear and definite favorite to take the title at a place where he's never made the final, never beaten a top 10 player, and prior to last year had never beaten a top 20 player at. That is all.
 
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dmt

Hall of Fame
Nadal's results on HC in 2009, supposedly his worst year

Win - Aussie Open, Indian Wells
RU - Shanghai MS, Rotterdam 500
SF - US Open, Cincinnati, Paris Masters, Beijing
QF - Miami, Canada, Doha

Nadal didn't lose before the QF of any HC event. The only season of his career where he managed such a feat. And this is supposedly his 'worse year'.

Now let's look at the records of Nadal on HC, and see if 2009 was actually his 'worst year'.

Nadal 2009 - 42-12 (.778) - won AO, IW; RU Shanghai, Rotterdam; SF US Open, Beijing, Cincy, Paris, QF Miami, Canada, Doha
Nadal 2008 - 45-10 (.818) - won Canada, Olympic Gold; RU Miami, Chennai; SF US Open, AO, IW, Cincy; QF Paris, Dubai
Nadal 2007 - 31-12 (.721) - Won IW; RU Paris; SF Canada, YEC; QF AO, Dubai
Nadal 2006 - 25-10 (.714) - won Dubai; SF IW, YEC; QF USO, Cincy
Nadal 2005 - 30-7 (.811) - won Madrid, Canada, Beijing; RU Miami

So in Nadal's supposed 'worst year', he was able to post the 2nd most wins of his career on HC, be more consistent on the surface than ever before in his career, and oh yeah, win the only HC slam of his career. Go figure.

Nadal was consistent on HC, but once he ran into the big dogs he lost. That was the case last year, and remained the case earlier this year. We shall see if the story changes in Canada and Cincy.

The only point that I was making is that as of right now, given a) Nadal's recent history against top guys on HC and b) Nadal's career history against top 10 guys at Flushing Meadows (0-3) it is premature to say he is the clear and definite favorite to take the title at a place where he's never made the final, never beaten a top 10 player, and prior to last year had never beaten a top 20 player at. That is all.

fair enough. Yes he was playing consistently in late 09 and earlier this year, but his confidence wasnt there. How about blowing away two match points vs Davydenko despite having played a brilliant match up until then? How about the indian wells semi? Early 2009 was pretty much the best of Nadal on HC, but late 09 was infact some of his worst tennis ever. He was playing passively, lacked confidence etc, all that has changed now.
 
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veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Nadal has won at least 1 title on hard court every year since 2005. I have no doubt this year won't be an exception.
 

Radobg

Rookie
Nadal's results on HC in 2009, supposedly his worst year

Win - Aussie Open, Indian Wells
RU - Shanghai MS, Rotterdam 500
SF - US Open, Cincinnati, Paris Masters, Beijing
QF - Miami, Canada, Doha

Nadal didn't lose before the QF of any HC event. The only season of his career where he managed such a feat. And this is supposedly his 'worse year'.

Now let's look at the records of Nadal on HC, and see if 2009 was actually his 'worst year'.

Nadal 2009 - 42-12 (.778) - won AO, IW; RU Shanghai, Rotterdam; SF US Open, Beijing, Cincy, Paris, QF Miami, Canada, Doha
Nadal 2008 - 45-10 (.818) - won Canada, Olympic Gold; RU Miami, Chennai; SF US Open, AO, IW, Cincy; QF Paris, Dubai
Nadal 2007 - 31-12 (.721) - Won IW; RU Paris; SF Canada, YEC; QF AO, Dubai
Nadal 2006 - 25-10 (.714) - won Dubai; SF IW, YEC; QF USO, Cincy
Nadal 2005 - 30-7 (.811) - won Madrid, Canada, Beijing; RU Miami

So in Nadal's supposed 'worst year', he was able to post the 2nd most wins of his career on HC, be more consistent on the surface than ever before in his career, and oh yeah, win the only HC slam of his career. Go figure.

Nadal was consistent on HC, but once he ran into the big dogs he lost. That was the case last year, and remained the case earlier this year. We shall see if the story changes in Canada and Cincy.

The only point that I was making is that as of right now, given a) Nadal's recent history against top guys on HC and b) Nadal's career history against top 10 guys at Flushing Meadows (0-3) it is premature to say he is the clear and definite favorite to take the title at a place where he's never made the final, never beaten a top 10 player, and prior to last year had never beaten a top 20 player at. That is all.

Come on JBF!!!Stop turning these statistics and periods of Nadal's career the way you want and the way it pleases you!
Now 2009 become his worst year!?!?Who sey that?Untill Roland Garros it was one of his best years!He won almost everything untill he get injured!
Nadal was in his worst period from Canada till YEC not in all 2009!
I agree-is not given that he will win,but he is a FAVORITE to win USO,no matter how much most of you even hate to imagine that he may win!!
And you sey exactly this in your first post in this thread-that hi is not favorite!!And from there I start to disagree with you!!!!Rafa is a favorite,not the main one,not a huge one,but definetly in top of the favorites to win the freaking USO!!!
 
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when he was bashing his leg with his fist and saying "Damn Knee!" in Spanish, while looking incredibly pissed. :lol:

no wonder the guy has ben suffering from his knees. treating them that way is not good... now is it?
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal has won at least 1 title on hard court every year since 2005. I have no doubt this year won't be an exception.

What is his record against the top 8 players on hc since his defeat by Roger in 2009 Madrid?

Roddick have won atleast one title on hc since 2001. Should we hand him the USO title this year? :confused:
 

LeoR

Banned
Nadal had never beaten a single top 10 players in the Australian Open, before winning this tournament in 2009.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal had never beaten a single top 10 players in the Australian Open, before winning this tournament in 2009.

Is the AO the same as the USO? :confused:

Plus, for rafa beating player on hc in January is a whole lot different than in September. He's not the same player during summer after getting so much beating for the 1st 8 months of the year.
 

LeoR

Banned
Is the AO the same as the USO? :confused:

Plus, for rafa beating player on hc in January is a whole lot different than in September. He's not the same player during summer after getting so much beating for the 1st 8 months of the year.

Now you recognizes that if he comes in good conditions unlike the previous years...
 
Come on JBF!!!Stop turning these statistics and periods of Nadal's career the way you want and the way it pleases you!
Now 2009 become his worst year!?!?Who sey that?Untill Roland Garros it was one of his best years!He won almost everything untill he get injured!
Nadal was in his worst period from Canada till YEC not in all 2009!
I agree-is not given that he will win,but he is a FAVORITE to win USO,no matter how much most of you even hate to imagine that he may win!!
And you sey exactly this in your first post in this thread-that hi is not favorite!!And from there I start to disagree with you!!!!Rafa is a favorite,not the main one,not a huge one,but definetly in top of the favorites to win the freaking USO!!!

First of all, calm down. If you actually took the time, and, I don't know, read my posts, you would see that I rated Nadal as 2nd favorite behind Federer. To me the USO is wide open, there is no definite or clear favorite, but I'd rate Fed's chances higher than Nadal, and guys like Djokovic, Muzza, Sod, Rod and Berd are right there in the running as well. So I never said Rafa was not a favorite.

My post is simply in reaction to those who have said Rafa is clearly the favorite or definitely the favorite as of right now. There is more tennis to be played before the USO, so a lot can change as I said numerous times. If Nadal beats top 10 guys and wins either Canada or Cincy, then of course he could overtake Fed and be 'the' favorite heading into the USO. But as of RIGHT NOW, looking at Nad's recent history (and please stop it with the 'he was injured, hurt, sick, divorced excuses) he is not THE favorite ahead of Fed,and some would say that I'm being generous in rating him higher than Murray and Djokovic given their resumes at USO are both stronger than Nadal's.

And to me Rafa's wins at Wimby and RG have little bearing on his USO stock. He's won those events in the past, and won them in more impressive fashion than he did this year (see 2008). I don't buy into all the "he's more confident, more rested" rhetoric just yet. Until I see it, and see the results ON HC to warrant it, I cannot rate Nadal the favorite RIGHT NOW. Of course, come back after Canada and Cincy and Rafa sweeps through those like he swept the CC season and Wimby, and no one in their right mind would say he isn't the clear favorite. But RIGHT NOW, he is not.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Now you recognizes that if he comes in good conditions unlike the previous years...

I specifically said USO <> AO and January <> September. His chance is always much worse at the USO than AO. In 2008(his better year), a younger and youthful body Rafa couldn’t win the USO, what make you think an older Rafa this year is going to be in better condition?

The excuses are always about rafa in poor conditions when in fact he wasn’t good enough to win since 2005.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
Now you recognizes that if he comes in good conditions unlike the previous years...

what he is saying is,,,,,, that for you to stop making excuses of why he hasn't won a USO is that he would have to skip the first 7 months of the year.

Vamos!
 

dmt

Hall of Fame
I specifically said USO <> AO and January <> September. His chance is always much worse at the USO than AO. In 2008(his better year), a younger and youthful body Rafa couldn’t win the USO, what make you think an older Rafa this year is going to be in better condition?

The excuses are always about rafa in poor conditions when in fact he wasn’t good enough to win since 2005.

1) Nadal is more agressive now then he was in 08 so it will help him on a faster surface

2) An older rafa might be in better condition because he doesnt have to play the olympics. And he might skip cinci too, not entirely sure about that though.
 

rovex

Legend
First of all, calm down. If you actually took the time, and, I don't know, read my posts, you would see that I rated Nadal as 2nd favorite behind Federer. To me the USO is wide open, there is no definite or clear favorite, but I'd rate Fed's chances higher than Nadal, and guys like Djokovic, Muzza, Sod, Rod and Berd are right there in the running as well. So I never said Rafa was not a favorite.

My post is simply in reaction to those who have said Rafa is clearly the favorite or definitely the favorite as of right now. There is more tennis to be played before the USO, so a lot can change as I said numerous times. If Nadal beats top 10 guys and wins either Canada or Cincy, then of course he could overtake Fed and be 'the' favorite heading into the USO. But as of RIGHT NOW, looking at Nad's recent history (and please stop it with the 'he was injured, hurt, sick, divorced excuses) he is not THE favorite ahead of Fed,and some would say that I'm being generous in rating him higher than Murray and Djokovic given their resumes at USO are both stronger than Nadal's.

And to me Rafa's wins at Wimby and RG have little bearing on his USO stock. He's won those events in the past, and won them in more impressive fashion than he did this year (see 2008). I don't buy into all the "he's more confident, more rested" rhetoric just yet. Until I see it, and see the results ON HC to warrant it, I cannot rate Nadal the favorite RIGHT NOW. Of course, come back after Canada and Cincy and Rafa sweeps through those like he swept the CC season and Wimby, and no one in their right mind would say he isn't the clear favorite. But RIGHT NOW, he is not.

I share this view.
 

rovex

Legend
And he might skip cinci too, not entirely sure about that though.

He can't unless he's injured. Master's events canno't be skipped unless you are like Roddick (the King) who decides when he wants to play or not.
 
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Serendipitous

Guest
She will need a long, long session with a sports (or general) psychologist to settle her emotional implosion habits before she can handle all that a slam final means. Still, even that may not be enough when her skills come up short against the likes of Serena.
 
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Serendipitous

Guest
He's locked in to win it.


Vamos!

Mother Marjorie thinks its the sea of bold and italicized ever-present defensive remarks. Even the Thunderous one knows Serena isn't the best ever, and even if she wins five more grand slam events, she's still not the best ever.

Mother Marjorie does commend the use of the word "troglodytic." It sounds nice after a splash of Bellini this morning.

Serena fans should enjoy the fact she's still playing professionally and cherish every match they see from this point forward.

Sometimes a spoonful of sugar helps the bitterness go down:
 

thejoe

Hall of Fame
Now you recognizes that if he comes in good conditions unlike the previous years...

You're a moron. You can't scapegoat the fact that Rafa has to play the first 7 months of the year. So does everyone else.

Federer has been able to win the USO when he's won more titles than Rafa, and played more tennis than Rafa has this year. Nadal comes in 'tired' because of his playing style, which is HIS FAULT.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
1) Nadal is more agressive now then he was in 08 so it will help him on a faster surface

2) An older rafa might be in better condition because he doesnt have to play the olympics. And he might skip cinci too, not entirely sure about that though.

Sorry, Cinci is more important than Roger Cup b/c the surface is closer to the USO. He play Roger Cup(which he always do), and I don’t think he’ll skip Cinci which is more important in the preparing for the USO.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Don't forget Serena!

Nadal is no Serena. They are exact opposite. Serena will skip tier 1 tourney without any hesitation whenever she doesn’t feel like playing. Rafa play tennis as if it’s his last event of his career. Notice he didn’t skip Madrid this year, after all the talk about Madrid messing up his body in 2009.

Outside of the GS, a tier 1 tourney means everything to Rafa but very little to Serena(shopping is her tier 1 hobby:)).
 
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meg0529

Guest
Nadal is no Serena. They are exact opposite. Serena will skip tier 1 tourney without any hesitation whenever she doesn’t feel like playing. Rafa play tennis as if it’s his last event of his career. Notice he didn’t skip Madrid this year, after all the talk about Madrid messing up his body in 2009.

Outside of the GS, a tier 1 tourney means everything to Rafa but very little to Serena(shopping is her tier 1 hobby:)).

Noo, I was comparing Roddick and Serena, cuz you said he decides what tourney he wants to play.

Phuleeze I would never compare Rafa and Serena! I agree with you. I think he has a beer work ethic than her(I'm sure plenty of people will hound me on this point).
 
Sorry, Cinci is more important than Roger Cup b/c the surface is closer to the USO. He play Roger Cup(which he always do), and I don’t think he’ll skip Cinci which is more important in the preparing for the USO.

Funny that Rafa's record at Cincy is eerily similar to his record at the USO, since Cincy is the closest in terms of conditions and court speed to the USO. At both events Rafa is 0 for vs top 10 opponents (0-2 in Cincy, 0-3 at USO) and Rafa has never made the final of either event.
 

The-Champ

Legend
Nadal doesn't stand a chance at the USO, he will probably lose in the 1st round.

Federer will win his 6th, they might as well give him the trophy tomorrow.
 

The-Champ

Legend
Funny that Rafa's record at Cincy is eerily similar to his record at the USO, since Cincy is the closest in terms of conditions and court speed to the USO. At both events Rafa is 0 for vs top 10 opponents (0-2 in Cincy, 0-3 at USO) and Rafa has never made the final of either event.


that's why he doesn't stand a chance. You are really smart.
 

LeoR

Banned
I specifically said USO <> AO and January <> September. His chance is always much worse at the USO than AO. In 2008(his better year), a younger and youthful body Rafa couldn’t win the USO, what make you think an older Rafa this year is going to be in better condition?

The excuses are always about rafa in poor conditions when in fact he wasn’t good enough to win since 2005.

More experience. He has now won his first grand slam on hardcourt. His schedule has been lighter.

In 2008, he just became awesome on hardcourt but fell short due to a lack of freshness, lack of previous experience and Murray playing very well.

He is above that now. He has all his chance.
 

bolo

G.O.A.T.
More experience. He has now won his first grand slam on hardcourt. His schedule has been lighter.

In 2008, he just became awesome on hardcourt but fell short due to a lack of freshness, lack of previous experience and Murray playing very well.

He is above that now. He has all his chance.

Well said LeoR. Nadal's going to school the "ATP TOUR" this year at the US open. :)
 
that's why he doesn't stand a chance. You are really smart.

Look fella, read my previous post and I said if Rafa gets wins over top 10 guys and wins either Cincy or Canada he should be the favorite at the Open. I even rate him as of now 2nd behind Fed and ahead of Djoker, Murray, and Rod, all of whom have better USO records than Nadal. All of you Nadal fans need to stop being so sensitive and bashing anyone who doesn't proclaim Rafa to be king and win every title under the sun, as if it's some affront to your integrity.
 
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
More experience. He has now won his first grand slam on hardcourt. His schedule has been lighter.

In 2008, he just became awesome on hardcourt but fell short due to a lack of freshness, lack of previous experience and Murray playing very well.

He is above that now. He has all his chance.

Murray, Novak, Soderling, Berdych are more experience too. These guys are due to win USO. And don’t forget Roddick, it’s his hometown event and he’s been there, done that.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
More experience. He has now won his first grand slam on hardcourt. His schedule has been lighter.

In 2008, he just became awesome on hardcourt but fell short due to a lack of freshness, lack of previous experience and Murray playing very well.

He is above that now. He has all his chance.


To summarize:

Nadal is the greatest.

Vamos!
 
More experience. He has now won his first grand slam on hardcourt. His schedule has been lighter.

In 2008, he just became awesome on hardcourt but fell short due to a lack of freshness, lack of previous experience and Murray playing very well.

He is above that now. He has all his chance.

2008 he 'just' became awesome on HC? In 2005 he won Canada, Madrid, and Beijing on HC, and made the finals of Miami.
 

Cyan

Hall of Fame
Murray, Novak, Soderling, Berdych are more experience too. These guys are due to win USO.

Don't forget Fed he is also due. So he can have 6 Wimbledons and 6 USOs.

Nadal doesn't stand a chance at the USO, he will probably lose in the 1st round.

Federer will win his 6th, they might as well give him the trophy tomorrow.

Rafa is losing to Falla, no? This time Falla no falla:shock:


Rafa is probably winning the AO though. Notice how he is winning all the slams that Federer isn't arsed to defend. FO/Wimbledon/AO.
 
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veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Nadal is pretty good on outdoor hard. Among active players the ones with the most titles on outdoor hard are:
Federer: 29
Hewitt: 15
Roddick: 14
Nadal and Djoko: 8
Del Potro, Murray and Davydenko: 5
Cilic and Ljubicic: 3

Hewitt is still active but almost all his titles happened before 2005. I would put Nadal before Djoko on outdoor hard because he won more MS + Olympics. I think Djoko has disappointed recently relative to his perceived potential on this surface. Then I would put Murray and Delpo in front of Davydenko just because they've done better in slams. So my ranking would be (for active players regardless of their current form or age- naturally the youngest ones are likely to end up higher on the list)
1- Roger Federer
2- Lleyton Hewitt
3- Andy Roddick
4- Rafael Nadal
5- Novak Djokovic
6- JM Del Potro
7- Andy Murray
8- N. Davydenko
9- Ivan Ljubicic
10- Marin Cilic

Rafa's real weakness is on indoor hard, that's where he's not even in the conversation:
Roger Federer 11
Andy Murray 7
Djokovic and Roddick 5
Ljubicic and Hewitt 4
Tsonga and Davydenko: 3

Note that I only tallied indoor hard (not carpet).
 
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