Nadal vs Top 10 Players on HC (since Winning Indian Wells 2009)
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yeah.. TMF and JBF#1... listen to Leor.
he is 100% sure about what he says, whereas you guys are in doubt, maybe only about 60 to 70% sure, therefore his stats beat yours...
objective analisys is what objective analisys does
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Jchurch
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jamesblakefan#1,
You really need to learn that Rafa has never lost since he has never been in perfect health. How can they be considered losses if they weren't his top form
But in reality you are spot on citing the H2H. They talk about H2H like it is the end of days until someone such as yourself rebuts with a H2H that disproves Rafa as being the favorite.
Keep it up. I like how you use FACTS that aren't manipulated by fanboyish tendencies.
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Jchurch
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You know more? How? What happened to Nadal? Did he take time off to magically heal his knee? The fact is Nadal has been a natural surface force since 2005. He has always played better on natural surfaces since they play well with his top spin game. He can run freely on those surfaces without having to worry as much about reigniting his knee problems. The fact is nadal had a great season on natural surfaces and until now has played like scheisse on hard court. He might very well win the USO, but HISTORY is against him, H2Hs are against him, and the SURFACES are against him.
Saying that you know more than someone else is often a sign of a lack of intelligence on the subject being discussed.
If Nadal wins, this thread will be bumped, and you had better believe if Nadal falters and loses that I and many others will bump this thread and you especially.
It's not my fault if haters like you are clueless. You have been proven wrong on Nadal winning Wimbledon, Olympics and Australian Open. Nadal haters are wrong again and again and again but continue to be ridiculous.
Nadal is the favorite. That does not mean he will winn at 100% but he has certainly his chances. And his chances have never been better than now.
I know certainly better than you, since some of you are taking the results of the second half of last year and the first part of this year when they are completely irrelevant.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Definitely when he's on, he's wonderful. We just haven't seen enough of him over extended periods.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Good point! I hadn't thought of that, but then I don't know how many tourneys he's scheduled to compete in. Nadal is supposedly two I think. If he goes to Cincinnati I'll get to see him in the flesh again! Sooo electric, if they could, they should bottle it.
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Jchurch
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You are truly a moronic person who excels act putting your puerile thought process on display.
But then again, you are absolutely correct. The winner of the FO has always gone on to win the USO. The fact is that Nadal is most likely to be upset on fast hard courts. I am not saying he won't win it, but HE IS NOT THE FAVORITE. WINNING WIMBLEDON AND THE FRENCH OPEN ISN'T A GUARANTEE YOU WILL WIN THE USO. THE COURTS OF AUSTRALIA ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN FAST HARD COURT! THEY DON'T TAKE THE SPIN AS WELL.
You also say that Nadal is playing more aggressively, which he very well might be, but anyone who says that results at Wimbledon and the French Open translate into guaranteed winning of the US Open is crazy.
What does your he will not win at 100%? Do you mean that it isn't 100% guaranteed that he will win? If so then we are in agreement. He could win, but you also have to come to the realization that he MIGHT NOT.
Also, how are his hard court results irrelevant? Is this more ******* logic by saying his past season on the natural surfaces translate into some sort of hard court prowess that he will now unleash upon the world? As I said, if he wins this thread will certainly be bumped, and if he loses I assure you that this thread will be bumped and you will be called out for your arrogant attitude.
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I thought stats tell the full the story?!!! :?
That is what is being said in some other threads.
That is what is being said in some other threads.
1) Being the favorite does not equal automatic win
2) His result these last two months are more relevant than his last result on hardcourt because this is related mainly to his top form, not the surfaces. Nadal has found his best tennis back, and it will apply to hardcourt too. Deal with it.
Didn't mention a word about "Federer" in my posts.
Fact is Murray, Novak made USO final and Roddick, DP have won it. If Roddick beat Nadal in Miami there's no reason not to believe he can beat rafa at the USO. And for someone saying Roddick has "little chance" is plain ignorrant.
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meg0529
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Dayum and people think cat fights are fun! I'm surprised there have been no challenges to play eachother yet. Oh wait, that only happens with BuD and Drak!
Breaker
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That's because it's clear Bud and Drakulie actually play tennis.
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Jchurch
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And here is the proof that the USO will be blue clay. No doubt that Nadal is in good form, but WHAT IS HIS WORST SURFACE? Are surfaces now irrelevant? Are we in for 1000 years of the Nadal Reicht? Fact is Nadal has played like crap on hard courts. We have no idea how he will play. He might win it, but given his track record, you can't say he is the favorite.
Nadal has won the last 3 MS and the last two slams. He is by far the number one player right now and seems to be back at his best.
We know that he can play very well on hardcourt, he won 5 MS on hardcourt , the Olympics and one slam. So, if he comes under good conditions like now, he can do it.
There is also nobody else that can be placed favourite above him.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
I agree. If he doesn't lose, he'll win. And thus, keep his undefeated record when he wins in tact.
Vamos!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
You are so lucky! Please say hi to Rafa for me
I'll see him at USO. (I'd love to see him in a smaller event: cheaper better seats, less pressure and fewer crowds, USO is hectic.)
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Jchurch
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This is the most innovative approach I have seen anyone take it. It is like saying if Nadal wins 3 sets at each of his matches at the USO, he will win the title.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
He's also won Dubai in 2006 by beating Fed who was virtually unbeatable on hard that year.
My view of Rafa on hard court is that he's never the #1 favorite but you still know that he's capable of doing it. Let's them have any favorites they want, let's them not place Rafa in the top 5 favorites. Who cares? Rafa won AO and Olympics without being the favorite at all. Before AO 2009 people were fighting as to whether Fed or Murray was the favorite. Noone thought Rafa could do it. He proved them wrong. He will prove them wrong again.
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Jchurch
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Ah yes. Your clay success transcends into hard courts is truly amazing. It is an approach that a ******* has never taken before. As JBF has said, if he does well at Toronto and Cincy he will be the favorite, until then it is illogical given his lack of success on hard court this year.
Federer was by far the best player 2004-07. Should we say well he did so well he should have won the French Open anyway. No because clay is vastly different from hard court.
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meg0529
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Quite the enlightened one, you are! Hmmmmmm.
veroniquem
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It's drakulie, don't pay attention to him, he has some mental defficiencies.
I agree 100%. Their arguments are ridiculous and always proved wrong. They already said Nadal was not the favorite at Wimbledon 2008 and that he was not among OA 2009 favorites...
If there were no Nadal, Federer would have been the favorite.
But, here, who is the big hardcourt king , the equivalent of Nadal on clay at this moment? Not Federer anymore and nobody at this moment.
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Jchurch
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No I totally agree with the guy. He calls people out and I like that.
rovex
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I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Nadal begins losing more often on the hard courts (similar to the American hard court season at the start of the year). I think many disregard the fact that on hard court Nadal is more vulnerable to other players. And the speed the speed of the Us open doesn't help.
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Jchurch
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Exactly. The surfaces are different. I am glad we got over that. There are many people which are better than Nadal on hard court. Federer, Murray, Djokovic, Del Potro, and Roddick.
As of now it is impossible for Nadal to be listed as the favorite given how he has floundered on the surface this year. I am not saying that he isn't in better form, but hard court tennis is far different than natural surfaces and there are many who are much more capable on hard than other surfaces.
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Jchurch
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^^^^
This. Sure his avatar may creep me out, but at least he posts with logic.
Not saying Nadal won't win, but locking him for the title would be foolish right now.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
He's not in a state to call anything out. Poor thing is wandering through threads expleting "vamoses" like a broken (senile?) record.
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This. Sure his avatar may creep me out, but at least he posts with logic.
Not saying Nadal won't win, but locking him for the title would be foolish right now.
Picking a favorite does not mean locking the title.
It means that, today, the favorite is the one who seem to have the highest chance to win among all the players.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
He could as well be winning more often. You do not understand Nadal's patterns, probably just because you don't care enough about him. You're trying to use beginning of 2010 against him when it proves absolutely zip. Nadal didn't win a hard court title between IW 2007 and Canada 2008, that's more than a year. It didn't stop him from pocketing the Olympics and the 2009 AO. Nadal doesn't win all the time on hard court but when he wins, he wins big.
Prepare to be surprised.
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drakulie
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drakulie
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rovex
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Let's go by these so called "patterns" shall we? The "pattern" showed that Nadal should have bagged a French open last year, the "pattern" showed that Nadal in 08 should have won the US Open because he came off two slam wins and looked unbeatable. But oh wait, the "patterns" proved wrong on those occasions.
You're trying to use previous years results to prove that Nadal at this very moment can really win the US Open which proves absolutely zip.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
What does clay have to do in the conversation?
In 2008, Nadal was burned out after winning the Olympics which was his 8th title in a little less than 4 months. I thought it was great he won 1 of the 2 (USO/Olympics), I never expected anyone to win both, that would have been very unrealistic given how close in time they were.
I'm not out to prove anything, you're the one out to prove that Nadal WILL NOT win USO 2010 and I'm telling you that is not something you can prove in any way, so let it go.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Didn't mention a word about "Federer" in my posts.
Fact is Murray, Novak made USO final and Roddick, DP have won it. If Roddick beat Nadal in Miami there's no reason not to believe he can beat rafa at the USO. And for someone saying Roddick has "little chance" is plain ignorrant.
I don't even remember the thread. It seemed to fit at the time. Too sleepy to think about it. It just seems weird, Nadal has been having some great results lately, and it...just seems weird, when someone is doing so well that they would sink downward on the list of favorites instead of upwards.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
You are so lucky! Please say hi to Rafa for me
It looks hectic and fun. A friend of mine said she didn't live far from their and was always getting free tickets. She had no interest in tennis, and just as I was about to go she and her husband split and she went to Charlotte. But the USO is on my bucket list. I would love to see all of them at least once in my life.
Did you ever go to Roland Garros?
muzza123
Banned
You prefer salty to sweet?
The question is will the rafa fans be sticking around when Rafa doesn’t win it.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Actually, I do.
But people always get like this as a slam nears, and unfortunately some will have to eat their words. We just don't know who.
muzza123
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That's always good to know.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
jamesblakefan#1
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This coming from the girl who says she stopped rooting for Sampras b/c he started hanging with Federer too much. :?
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you cannot believe how much cleaner this forum looks when you put that thing in ignore list!
Cyan
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Yeah, I'm putting Nole as the fave now.
Stupid thread. Half-injured Nadal made good results in all hardcourt tournaments, that's why he only lost to top 10 players. Federer lost to clowns like Benneteau, Baghdatis, Berdych in early rounds...so yeah his record against top 10 will be better because he wasn't good enough to play against them LOL!
Nadal is a hardcourt Slam champion, Olympic champion and multiple Masters Series champion. Nadal has achieved more on hardcourts than Djokovic,Murray,Del Potro,Davydenko,Roddick,Soderling,Hewitt and Tsonga. All these players are inferior to Nadal on HC at this point. Also, all these players were lucky not to play Nadal on clay or grass as Nadal would have destroyed them and head to head would be different. They're only good enough to play against Nadal on hardcourts.
Off-topic, Blake should retire.
Nadal is a hardcourt Slam champion, Olympic champion and multiple Masters Series champion. Nadal has achieved more on hardcourts than Djokovic,Murray,Del Potro,Davydenko,Roddick,Soderling,Hewitt and Tsonga. All these players are inferior to Nadal on HC at this point. Also, all these players were lucky not to play Nadal on clay or grass as Nadal would have destroyed them and head to head would be different. They're only good enough to play against Nadal on hardcourts.
Off-topic, Blake should retire.
