TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Same way I feel about you.
JBF still hurt, I see.
Two for the price of one! Priceless!
Nadal vs Top 10 Players on HC (since Winning Indian Wells 2009)
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Same way I feel about you.
JBF still hurt, I see.
Two for the price of one! Priceless!
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
ThreadintheNeedle
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Not emotionally involved my ass. Did you ever stop by the Nadal news thread? :lol: :lol:
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
I'm not emotionally involved. I like Rafa. I think he's handsome, talented, and adorable.
But, I also know how to seperate it from fanaticism and getting angry at people, calling them out of their name, and being otherwise insulting. When I start calling people trolls, idiots, morons, things, etc. because I can't control my emotions, contact me.
On the other hand, if you support people like that, then this post was a waste.
BTW, have you seen me initiating conversation with them?
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
I think we are on a public forum where everyone can state their opinions. If everyone is respectful there would be no arguments. The fact that you always have something negative to say to me, says more about you than it does me. I am more than happy to not communicate with you, and from this point on, this is the way it will be. Who cares if I'm fair and balanced? Is that a requirement of the forum? Are you? I couldn't possibly bore you more than you bore me. But every chance you get you post some snide remark to me, piggyback on everything anyone says to me, and you've done that for four years. Not to mention, how irrationally upset you get sometimes when people like Rafa, because you only target Rafa fans that I can see. All because they don't share your view.
So please don't speak to me of high school, because in that respect you are the valedictorian.
Why do you, or anyone else care who I am a fan of? How does that possibly affect you? Did you say high school?
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The Truth - I like what you write! Don't worry about what others say, there is not even any point in responding really. 
TheTruth
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The Truth - I like what you write! Don't worry about what others say, there is not even any point in responding really.
I know, but four years of this unprovoked garbage gets a bit tiring at times. But, I will try to follow your advice.
Thank you!
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Very good post!
I think the poster forgot that little detail! This is the US Open, Nadal's worst surface, he certainly isn't a God on it, like he is in Paris. In fact, a lot of players actually look forward to playing him there, because they know he is beatable, and this is their chance to get a piece of Nadal's scalp. :twisted:
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Truth - I like you, because you stand your ground.
But you don't need to constantly defend yourself against anyone. You have every right to express yourself, and as long as you are not directly insulting anyone, which no one should do, keep your chin up!
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Interesting stats but we cant take only the worst period of a guy's career to show the H2H.. also best of 3 sets is completely different from best of 5 sets.
On current form I would doubt if some of the players wud beat Nadal in best of 5 sets even on HC: Davydenko, Djokovic, Delpo.
Djokovic leads Nadal 7-3 HC and indoors but but they have never met in a best of 5 set match
Davydenko leads 5-1 HC and indoors (incl. 1 match Nadal retired after first set) on Hard courts but they have never met in a best of 5 set match
Delpo leads 3-2 HC and indoors but since he is coming out of injury i wud doubt he wud have chance to beat Nadal.
I wud say these players have a definite chance but wud be beaten in tough match by in form Nadal.
The others with good chance include Murray who i wud rate as the most dangerous opponent for Nadal at USO with Federer and Soderling behind him.
The next rung wud be the big hitters like Berdych, Cilic, Roddick, Isner who mite be able to surprise him an a great serving day.
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reasonably in form --Rafa around 75%- 80% in form should account for most of the top 10 while he needs to be about 90% of peak form to beat Murray, Federer, Djoker, Soderling at their best..
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there is a 30% of chance that 60% nadal is going 55% vs top 10 whereas his volleying skills are 29% above the 17% of....
i love stats. but Bud wont teach me...
Nadal haters live in a fantasy world where his last hardcourt results after his injury are relevant for the upcomings tounaments. They are clueless.
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they are 35% clueless about Discrediting 95% nadal on 54,5% hardcourts and usinga 33% fuzzy yellow ball!
this has been one long July.. we need toronto ASAP ****s & etes have been unberable lately
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how would you know? unless you are another ghost coming form ban town...
maybe a click on thered triagular button on the left would be a good prehemptive measure.
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well just mentioned that he doesnt need to be on peak form to beat the top10even on HC.. nos are only an indication of that
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jamesblakefan#1
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Nadal fans live in a fantasy world where anytime he loses he is injured, and Nadal should be favored at a tournament he's never made the final in and never beaten a top 10 player at.
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Jchurch
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Agreed, this Nadal is injured scheisse really needs to stop.
I am really shocked they haven't come out with threads such as "Imagine if Nadal played right handed".
It worked for AO and Wimbledon( he had only beat Djokovic by retirement) so it is not fantasy.
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jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
I have no trouble favoring someone who's never won the tournament. Who was the favorite at the 2004 AO?
Not always is the favorite the one who's won the tournament once or more times before.
2004 AO? The top 4 seeds were all slam champs. (Roddick, Fed, Agassi, Ferrero)
And please, reading comprehension for all of you. I stated Nadal is a favorite, I put him behind Fed as 2nd favorite. USO this year is wide open, there is no definite favorite or lock and you can make an argument for Fed, Djoker, Murray, and Roddick to be favorites as well, and some of those have stronger arguments than Nadal.
THat's ok I was just playing off your "never making a final or beating a top 10 player" line. In 2004 many had fed. as the favorite (meaning person with the highest chance of winning). Up to that point fed. hadn't been in the finals of an AO and hadn't beaten a top 10 player at the AO or at the USO in 2002 or in 2003 (didn't look further back). So just noting there is at least one instance where your criteria didn't hold. Fed. won that tournament quite easily.
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However he did utterly dominate this thing called the Year End Championship which was on hard court.
drakulie
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Nadal is clearly the favorite to win for crying out loud. He is the number 1 player in the world right now, and is hands down playing better tennis than anyone. Period.
Does this mean he will win the USO? No. Has he done well here in the past? yes. Two semis is better than nearly everyone on tour.
Do more players in this tournament have a better chance of knocking him out as compared to surfaces such as clay/grass? Yes.
None of this changes the fact that he is the favorite to win it.
Vamos!
Does this mean he will win the USO? No. Has he done well here in the past? yes. Two semis is better than nearly everyone on tour.
Do more players in this tournament have a better chance of knocking him out as compared to surfaces such as clay/grass? Yes.
None of this changes the fact that he is the favorite to win it.
Vamos!
Yep that was a great tournament for him. I remember watching that well.
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Jchurch
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So wouldn't you say that their belief in him winning the 2004 AO was based upon his performance at the YEC? He utterly dominated everyone in Houston. Nadal has never done so on hard court let alone against the top 8 in the world. That is why people are doubting him until the US Open
I am not disagreeing with JBF's general statement about nadal's chances, although I myself don't have federer as the favorite like JBF does. I have written several times in the last couple of weeks that I thought nadal was no better than 3rd in line for the US open trophy.
Why was fed. the favorite at the AO even though he had never been in an AO final and had never beaten a top 10 player at the AO or USO? Was it the domination at the 2003 WTF? maybe, I would say that was less important than say his ranking, his improvement in fitness, his improvement in the backhand, his winning wimbledon etc. WTF is just one more tournament result, the other stuff is more important imo.
jamesblakefan#1
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Nadal's top 10 at USO record is a part of my argument. But combine that with his recent record vs top 10 on HC and his lack of HC title in 16 months and it's enough to knock him down a peg in my view, for now.
egn
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bump.
Add now
2010 Toronto SF - vs #4 Andy Murray L 3-6, 4-6
So my question is now back a few pages ago the earlier losses non counted because Nadal was going through his worst period of tennis, 2010 losses didn't count because Nadal was not at his best. What is it now? Nadal is 1-4 against the top 10 on hardcourts in 2010....
Jamesblakefan has a point and I think this week emphasized it guys like Murray, Djokovic and Federer are still ahead of him on the faster hardcourts though Fed will probably fail to beat Nadal because he always does but Murray and Djokovic and most likely Del Po if he was still around are probably ahead of him on the surface still. Murray was exposing Nadal today moving him all over the place and ripping down the line winners and Nadal looked a bit pissed. Nadal can do a lot to change it up but he needs to still tune up his hardcourt game a bit because it's not working against the top 10 anymore. There might be an actual reason Nadal hasn't won a hardcourt tournament since the start of 2009 and it is probably most likely his GAME.
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egn
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Fine correction singles titles.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Nadal once again showed today that it is impossible to place him as a 'clear' favorite or 'definite' favorite, like some such as Brad Gilbert placed him as recently as yesterday, to win the US Open. Can he win it? Of course he can. But history tells us that it is going to be a tough mountain for him to climb and not the given that some were making it out to be a few weeks ago.
Now he goes to Cincy, a place where he's never made the finals. Berdych a guy he's owned recently, in the QF, then Fed possibly in the SF. I think that Nadal has to make at least the SF of Cincy to gain the confidence he needs to win the USO.
People were saying stuff about Nadal being 'the most confident he's ever been'. If he loses again to another top 10 guy in Cincy, that confidence will be shaken and it will be awfully hard for him to win against a top 10 guy in NY where he's a) never beaten a top 10 opponent and b) never made a final.
Now he goes to Cincy, a place where he's never made the finals. Berdych a guy he's owned recently, in the QF, then Fed possibly in the SF. I think that Nadal has to make at least the SF of Cincy to gain the confidence he needs to win the USO.
People were saying stuff about Nadal being 'the most confident he's ever been'. If he loses again to another top 10 guy in Cincy, that confidence will be shaken and it will be awfully hard for him to win against a top 10 guy in NY where he's a) never beaten a top 10 opponent and b) never made a final.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Yeah but the Berd turns to chicken when he goes against Nadal lately.
Nadal has owned him for years now.
I agree some of what you say about nadal. How do you feel about your putting federer at the top after the last 4 matches?
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What clown draw. So facing Soderling, Murray and Berdych in a row is a "clown" draw?
Lol and Nadal doesnt need an "easy" draw at the french open. He is by far the greatest clay courter of his generation, look at the lopsided head to head records that he has on clay.
Youre just bitter that nadal has won two majors.
So appearently nadal beating soderling twice, murray and berdych is getting "clown" draws. Hillarious stuff.
jamesblakefan#1
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Not sure. We all know Fed does better in the best of 5 matches, so him getting to the finals here considering that and his level of play says a lot. He's probably not going to win tomorrow, but I'd still put him and Murray above Nadal right now. Nadal is #3 now IMO, I had him at #2 favorite before, but Murray's run has given me a bit more faith in him than I had about 2 weeks ago.
vortex1
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A clown draw would be not facing a single top 10 player and getting Verdasco in a final... that's what pretty much happened with Federer's Wimbledon 2010, except his pigeon of choice was Roddick.
