Nadal was scared of playing against Federer in WTF

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
So when he misses tournaments it is because he is scared? And, if he were injured he would play as long as he isn't scared?

Nadal fears no one. Big match player? What a moronic comment. That's why his slam record against the other top guys is so lopsided.
Take time and read this title / article... slowly..one word at a time. LMAO.

Top-seeded Rafael Nadal admits he'd rather not face third-seeded Roger Federer at US Open

http://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/20466488/rafael-nadal-does-not-want-face-roger-federer-us-open
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Here is what the supposedly gladiator / warrior said on the eve of USO :

"If I am in semifinals, not, I prefer to play against another one," Nadal said when asked if he wanted to face Federer in the semifinals. "Is obvious, no? I am not that way [to want the matchup]. Sounds very good, but the real thing, I prefer to play against another player, an easier one if it's possible."
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Yeah, keep rolling your eyes, but it's not going to convince the non-VB that Nadal wouldn't want to avoid Federer and rather face the lesser players.
Nadal would prefer to not face him, but not bc he's "scared" of Federer, get real. He's just honest about his chances based on form and always has been.
 

Comb Over Champion

Hall of Fame
You’re not a big match player if for example you basically never get to second week of Wimbledon since 25 like nadal. It’s false logic. 4R if a grandslam is a big match. Losing like nadal always does his whole career means he isn’t a big match player

But yes big individual matches - the biggest AO 17 he lost, in his own words AO 2012 was GOAT match all time. He lost. Wimbledon 07, countless individual matches were he lost important records e.g. fed ending his clay streak and preventing what could have been who knows a hundred match streak, losing multiple chances to do CYGS, or complete masters set or get a WTF championship to his CV

Don’t get me wrong he is very strong mentally and can bring exceptional performances but big
Match player is false logic. 4R of a slam is a huge match too so is semis and nadal has never bested 4 semis a season bar once his whole career
Stop attempting to put lipstic on that pig. Look at Nadal's Slam H2H against Federer and get back to me. Nadal has the same number of slams Fed had at his age, even with multiple slams he had to sit out due to injury. Logic is not your strong suit.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Here is what the supposedly gladiator / warrior said on the eve of USO :

"If I am in semifinals, not, I prefer to play against another one," Nadal said when asked if he wanted to face Federer in the semifinals. "Is obvious, no? I am not that way [to want the matchup]. Sounds very good, but the real thing, I prefer to play against another player, an easier one if it's possible."
Who wouldn't want to play an easier opponent? That's common sense dude. Doesn't have to imply fear. Even during the time Nadal was beating fed every time they stepped on court he told the media he rather wants to play an easier opponent if possible. That is pretty logical.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Who wouldn't want to play an easier opponent? That's common sense dude. Doesn't have to imply fear. Even during the time Nadal was beating fed every time they stepped on court he told the media he rather wants to play an easier opponent if possible. That is pretty logical.
Show me occasions when Djok or Fed said they would prefer easier opponents and would like to avoid Rafa
 

peakin11mugs

Semi-Pro
Stop attempting to put lipstic on that pig. Look at Nadal's Slam H2H against Federer and get back to me. Nadal has the same number of slams Fed had at his age, even with multiple slams he had to sit out due to injury. Logic is not your strong suit.
Think he has 1 less but besides the point. He also has 4 less AO, 6 less wimby, 2 less USO and 7 less WTF. Is he gonna catch these up too lol

You can’t give nadal morally more slams than he has. Otherwise let’s just say Zverev with 0 slams is GOAT or with his already 2 masters will be masters GOAT at least

Lol at h2h. Lol Glad you brought h2h up actually VB have been quiet about ever since Djokovic went 7-0 twice v peak nadal and leads h2h

What’s muellers wimbeldon head to head with nadal? 2-1. He’s better than nadal right despite less wimbys though right as according to your logic nadal is better despite less everything everywhere besides 1 slam and 3 associated events.

Clay makes or breaks nadal

Just for kicks take out feds grass from career. Still has 11 slams, 7 WTF, 28 masters. He’s a GOAT candiate.

Do that with nadal. He’s basically Murray and he’s definitely not an ATG
 
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Fedforever

Hall of Fame
Who wouldn't want to play an easier opponent? That's common sense dude. Doesn't have to imply fear. Even during the time Nadal was beating fed every time they stepped on court he told the media he rather wants to play an easier opponent if possible. That is pretty logical.
Indeed. I think this whole thread seems to have had a logical bypass, perhaps appropriate for one that starts with a contribution from the Daily Express. Nadal has an overwhelming H to H against Fed on clay, Fed a similar one Indoors. Both players are quite intelligent enough to realise that this pattern is unlikely to change at this stage of their careers - it's a sign of psychological maturity and nothing to do with being scared.
 

Comb Over Champion

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Think he has 1 less but besides the point. He also has 4 less AO, 6 less wimby, 2 less USO and 7 less WTF. Is he gonna catch these up too lol

You can’t give nadal morally more slams than he has. Otherwise let’s just say Zverev with 0 slams is GOAT or with his already 2 masters will be masters GOAT at least

Lol at h2h. Lol Glad you brought h2h up actually VB have been quiet about ever since Djokovic went 7-0 twice v peak nadal and leads h2h

What’s muellers wimbeldon head to head with nadal? 2-1. He’s better than nadal right despite less wimbys though right as according to your logic nadal is better despite less everything everywhere besides 1 slam and 3 associated events.

Clay makes or breaks nadal

Just for kicks take out feds grass from career. Still has 11 slams, 7 WTF, 28 masters. He’s a GOAT candiate.

Do that with nadal. He’s basically Murray and he’s definitely not an ATG
16 slams vs 19. Nadal has 6 on his worse surfaces, and Federer is lucky to have 1. Can we at least agree that 1 slam is 1 slam, or is that something that Federer fans can't understand even at this point?
 

Comb Over Champion

Hall of Fame
You are afraid the dog poo is going to mess your feet . BTW, you are reaching here and we stick to tennis . shall we ?
You are using "afraid" with two completely different meanings. You want to imply that Nadal is "terrified" of Federer. It looks to me that some Fed fans still haven't gotten over Nadal's domination, even on Fed's best year, and they feel the need to turn the tables around and "strike back".
 

Comb Over Champion

Hall of Fame
Hey, you went there first with the feminine allegation , not me !
But femininity and sexual orientation are not the same thing. Everybody (men and women) have feminine and masculine traits. Did you know that all fetuses start as female and then either continue developing into female or start becoming male? The only thing that determines male/female traits (except primary sexual attributes, aka sex organs), is hormones.

Some homosexual men are very masculine, and some straight men are very feminine. And the same with the ladies.

I pointed out that Fed was crying like a girl (for which there is ample documental evidence from multiple impartial sources). What you said is just nonsense and doesn't correspond to reality. (*)

(*) Unless Pico told you something after sex. HAHA
 

peakin11mugs

Semi-Pro
16 slams vs 19. Nadal has 6 on his worse surfaces, and Federer is lucky to have 1. Can we at least agree that 1 slam is 1 slam, or is that something that Federer fans can't understand even at this point?
Yes a slam is a slam

Federer has 4 more AO, 6 more Wimbledon’s, 2 more USO. Lol. And three more slams overall. A hell of a lot more finals, semis and records. Nadal has no records on anything but clay. Nadal is not even an ATG anything but clay. He is a clay courter end of. Nothing wrong with that but that’s it. Nothing more nothing less and laughable compared to fed who is literall GOAT on three surfaces and tennis in general

Silly and arbitrary stat re 1 slam. Nadal has 1 title in his worst surface indoors. For reference davednko has 6 indoor titles and federe has around 20 titles on all four surfaces including clay. He is the only one of his peers who is so ineffective on a whole type of tennis. He isn’t relatively weak indoors he is absolutely weak.

Although yes I agree with you fed is weak on clay. All of nadals competition in clay is weak. He is the ultimate weak era slam inflater. Considering his entrie career and legacy is built only on clay this sucks for VB.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
But femininity and sexual orientation are not the same thing. Everybody (men and women) have feminine and masculine traits. Did you know that all fetuses start as female and then either continue developing into female or start becoming male? The only thing that determines male/female traits (except primary sexual attributes, aka sex organs), is hormones.

Some homosexual men are very masculine, and some straight men are very feminine. And the same with the ladies.

I pointed out that Fed was crying like a girl (for which there is ample documental evidence from multiple impartial sources). What you said is just nonsense and doesn't correspond to reality. (*)

(*) Unless Pico told you something after sex. HAHA
How dare you call feminine charscteistsics feminine and masculine characteristics masculine.

I think masculine characteristics are feminine and feminine are masculine and I identify as a 403 lb albino honey badger with two pumpkins as my mother and my father is this here binder from work that contains notes on excel software training.

And I am triggered.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
This that alternate reality stuff again.
If Fed is the goat wouldn’t it mean losIng 6 times to him is like losing less than to normal players??

Nadal has really ONLY been totally dominated by a rejuivunated Fed this year because

1 ) Fed is the GOAT
2) Nads is not quite what he was (but sill amazing)
3) Fed has a better stratgey cause of Lub - (early, and over the BH)
4) finally used to new racquet
5) they did not meet on clay
6) Fed is the GOAT
7) Fed’s taking care of his body better
8) Fed is the GOAT
 

vive le beau jeu !

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Rafael Nadal reveals he fears meeting Roger Federer in ATP World Tour final

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Rafael Nadal has lost four times to Roger Federer this season
RAFAEL NADAL is not optimistic about his chances in the ATP World Tour final if Roger Federer is his opponent.
By JAMES CAMBRIDGE
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Fri, Nov 10, 2017UPDATED: 00:15, Fri, Nov 10, 2017
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Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer are on opposite sides of the ATP World Tour Finals draw, meaning they can meet in the final later this month.

However, the Spaniard is not relishing the opportunity, having lost on all four occasions to the Swiss this year.

"My dream is to win the tournament,” Nadal told Sky Sports.

“And if I play Roger in the final then my chances are less than playing another player.



Rafael Nadal knows his chances of beating Roger Federer in the final are slim
“But I would love to play in the final and if I play Roger then I will try my best to beat him.

"It's true that I play Roger every time this year on the surfaces that are better for him.

“But I will just fight to win my first match of the year against him."

Nadal has already cemented himself as the year-end world No 1 after Federer was forced to miss the Paris Masters.




However, the 31-year-old admitted he too is feeling the effects of a long season and might not be 100 per cent for the ATP Finals, with a troublesome knee forcing him to withdraw from Paris at the quarter-final stage.

“Let's see if I am able to be 100 per cent to compete,” he added.

“I went back home and visited the doctors to do some treatment. I expect the treatment to work and be ready for here.

"I know I'm confident because I'm having a great season with one event to go. I am here to try my best."
the nadal ?! ... scared ??? :eek:

 

Comb Over Champion

Hall of Fame
Yes a slam is a slam

Federer has 4 more AO, 6 more Wimbledon’s, 2 more USO. Lol. And three more slams overall. A hell of a lot more finals, semis and records. Nadal has no records on anything but clay. Nadal is not even an ATG anything but clay. He is a clay courter end of. Nothing wrong with that but that’s it. Nothing more nothing less and laughable compared to fed who is literall GOAT on three surfaces and tennis in general

Silly and arbitrary stat re 1 slam. Nadal has 1 title in his worst surface indoors. For reference davednko has 6 indoor titles and federe has around 20 titles on all four surfaces including clay. He is the only one of his peers who is so ineffective on a whole type of tennis. He isn’t relatively weak indoors he is absolutely weak.

Although yes I agree with you fed is weak on clay. All of nadals competition in clay is weak. He is the ultimate weak era slam inflater. Considering his entrie career and legacy is built only on clay this sucks for VB.
Yes, and Fed has 9 less French Opens, which you seem to always forget quite conveniently. ;)

And no, you are wrong as usual. Neither Fed nor Nadal are weak on any surface. If you were an actual Fed fan you would know that he has been a terrific clay tennis player, only overshadowed by the best ever.
 

Comb Over Champion

Hall of Fame
How dare you call feminine charscteistsics feminine and masculine characteristics masculine.

I think masculine characteristics are feminine and feminine are masculine and I identify as a 403 lb albino honey badger with two pumpkins as my mother and my father is this here binder from work that contains notes on excel software training.

And I am triggered.
LOL. Masterful! That monologue there wouldn't be out of place in a classic Monty Python sketch. :D
 
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Chadillac

Guest
Everyone is afraid to play Fed at the Wtf. Fed has beaten all the recent greats there, i think djok has too. Not sure if murray and nadal has.
 

peakin11mugs

Semi-Pro
Yes, and Fed has 9 less French Opens, which you seem to always forget quite conveniently. ;)

And no, you are wrong as usual. Neither Fed nor Nadal are weak on any surface. If you were an actual Fed fan you would know that he has been a terrific clay tennis player, only overshadowed by the best ever.
Absolutely I don’t forget. Nadal has 9 more FO, 3 more masters. Fed has more AO, WIMB, US, WTF and every single master bar 3 clay ones.

Fed has a superior record in literally every single tournament on the tour outside of clay. That’s every slam, WTF, every masters bar the 3 clay ones. Nadal doesn’t have a single record at any non clay tournament. Hasn’t defended a single non clay slam. In other words 3 slams.

Hence all nadal is is a clay courter. Nothing wrong with that. It’s just that’s all he is. It’s laughable to say he is tennis GOAT. He is literally dog poop indoors for one. Davednko is better. You’re. Or a GOAT if a journeyman non slam winner is better than you at a type of tennis. It would be like if ferrer was better than Federer on clay.

Fed take your pick from hard court GOAT, Grass GOAT or indoor GOAT.

Also your saying fed is a ATG on clay? By default you’re sYing he is GOAT. He is already GOAT on other 3 surfaces and objectively most successful. Now you’re saying he’s ATG on clay as well. Debate solved guy has mastered tennis. Nadal isn’t an ATG anywhere bare clay and is literally a dud indoors
 

peakin11mugs

Semi-Pro
Yes, and Fed has 9 less French Opens, which you seem to always forget quite conveniently. ;)

And no, you are wrong as usual. Neither Fed nor Nadal are weak on any surface. If you were an actual Fed fan you would know that he has been a terrific clay tennis player, only overshadowed by the best ever.
Lol just read that again. Nadal has 1 indoor title in his whole career. For reference davednko has 6 and has a leading h2h against nadal there. Nadal sucks indoors.

For reference fed has around 20 titles all surfaces. Nadal has 1 indoors! 1! And it was a fluke indoors in Spain ahaha! He doesn’t even have 10 on grass. Does he even have 10 on hard lol?
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
Absolutely I don’t forget. Nadal has 9 more FO, 3 more masters. Fed has more AO, WIMB, US, WTF and every single master bar 3 clay ones.

Fed has a superior record in literally every single tournament on the tour outside of clay. That’s every slam, WTF, every masters bar the 3 clay ones. Nadal doesn’t have a single record at any non clay tournament. Hasn’t defended a single non clay slam. In other words 3 slams.

Hence all nadal is is a clay courter. Nothing wrong with that. It’s just that’s all he is. It’s laughable to say he is tennis GOAT. He is literally dog poop indoors for one. Davednko is better. You’re. Or a GOAT if a journeyman non slam winner is better than you at a type of tennis. It would be like if ferrer was better than Federer on clay.

Fed take your pick from hard court GOAT, Grass GOAT or indoor GOAT.

Also your saying fed is a ATG on clay? By default you’re sYing he is GOAT. He is already GOAT on other 3 surfaces and objectively most successful. Now you’re saying he’s ATG on clay as well. Debate solved guy has mastered tennis. Nadal isn’t an ATG anywhere bare clay and is literally a dud indoors
I agree Fed is GOAT. I like all your stats. Great work.

But saying Nadal is not an ATG on anything but clay is going too far.

Nads 2008 Wimby win was not in a vacuum. 2009 AO win as well. 2010 & 2013 years of amazing dominance and great hardcourt work.

Nadal is an ATG period. The GOAT'S greatest rival has to be.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
He is an ATG in the real world but in vamoss brigrade alternative universe by their own logic he can’t be a ATG if you apply exact same arguments they use against Federer. He is in fact by that logic a mug and weak and one dimensional with a gaping hole in his resume.

And I’d say he is an ATG on other surfaces by peak level of play. By actual results that’s debatable. But yes you could go either way. There were a lot of finals but too many mug losses in peak years. Way way too many
Ahhhh... I see. You are using VB standards against them. Nice one. Your stats work was crazy good.
 

Comb Over Champion

Hall of Fame
Lol just read that again. Nadal has 1 indoor title in his whole career. For reference davednko has 6 and has a leading h2h against nadal there. Nadal sucks indoors.

For reference fed has around 20 titles all surfaces. Nadal has 1 indoors! 1! And it was a fluke indoors in Spain ahaha! He doesn’t even have 10 on grass. Does he even have 10 on hard lol?
Nadal doesn't really suck indoors, it's just his worst surface. He played the WTF final twice, didn't he? There are no slams played indoors after all. That's how important indoors is.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
But femininity and sexual orientation are not the same thing. Everybody (men and women) have feminine and masculine traits. Did you know that all fetuses start as female and then either continue developing into female or start becoming male? The only thing that determines male/female traits (except primary sexual attributes, aka sex organs), is hormones.

Some homosexual men are very masculine, and some straight men are very feminine. And the same with the ladies.

I pointed out that Fed was crying like a girl (for which there is ample documental evidence from multiple impartial sources). What you said is just nonsense and doesn't correspond to reality. (*)

(*) Unless Pico told you something after sex. HAHA
I don't know too many straight man who would pinch another player's ass ! May be where you live that is common.

And what is the big fuss about player crying ? You forgot what happened at AO 14 when Stanimal was unleashed ?
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
You are using "afraid" with two completely different meanings. You want to imply that Nadal is "terrified" of Federer. It looks to me that some Fed fans still haven't gotten over Nadal's domination, even on Fed's best year, and they feel the need to turn the tables around and "strike back".
afraid

synonyms: frightened, scared, terrified, fearful, petrified, scared witless, scared to death, terror-stricken, terror-struck, frightened out of one's wits, scared out of one's wits, shaking in one's shoes, shaking like a leaf;
 

peakin11mugs

Semi-Pro
Nadal doesn't really suck indoors, it's just his worst surface. He played the WTF final twice, didn't he? There are no slams played indoors after all. That's how important indoors is.
Lol indoors is a whole section of the season. It’s offically ATPS biggest event. You previously stringed together some weak argument about nadal being better in his weakest surface vs nadals weakest

1) that’s not true. Lol Nadal has 1 title indoors vs Federer who has around 20 on every surface including 1 clay slam and 6 masters. Fed is infinitely better in his worst surface than nadal on his worst surface.
2) even if he wasn’t what’s your point. That makes nadal GOAT? With less AO, WIMB, US, WTF, no 1 lol? I realise that as the fundamental premise of your argument is trying to say a guy with less slams and less titles and less number 1 less wins at every single tournament bar on one surface is better than a guy with more of everything... that in this case you have to get really creative and use weird arguments and make stuff up. Naturally you will
Make a lot of silly arguments and contradictions. What you said here is an example of something just made up but even if it wasn’t what is actually your point if it was true?
3) Is nadal really better at grass than fed at clay? He has far too many mug losses to be. He certainly sucks indoors with less titles
4) lol you mention finals. Ok so you’re happy to
Use finals. Fed has more slams finals. He is better than nadal. 18 out 19 finals in a row. Nadal never even got 4 finals a season LMAO. NO COMPARISON. BEat down.
5) natural extension of your argument is the other slams. Nadal has 1 AO just as fed has 1 FO. Nadal has never beaten djoker at AO (djoker beat nadal at AO, FO, WIMB, US, WTF, all shared masters) so is in same boat as fed.
6) Nadal beat a mono ridden post peak fed. But ok let’s keave that one. No need to make excuses. Fed has more AO, WIMB, US, WTF, NO 1, more finals, better record against field and more titles career wise
 
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peakin11mugs

Semi-Pro
Nadal doesn't really suck indoors, it's just his worst surface. He played the WTF final twice, didn't he? There are no slams played indoors after all. That's how important indoors is.
Federer has HC open era streak record, he has grass streak record. He has most hard court slams record, he has grass slams record. He has HC titles record, grass titles record. He has indoor record. ATF record. Record at WIMB, US 2nd record at AO, record at WTF, multiple other tournaments records also

Nadal clay clay clay clay. No records bar clay ata single slam or tournament. Never defended a non clay slam. Lol seriously. And has he even defended a non slam tournament?

Absolutely valid re clay and nothing wrong with that. But It it’s only clay. Nothing more nothing less. GOAT talk aka hilarious.

Imagine if fed had 12 wimbeldon and pretty much only the odd win here or there and no records at other slams or no grass tournaments. Not a single one. Would he be the GOAT? LMAO. Nadal is basically that yet he doesn’t have 12 RG. Goat lol. Stick to Clay discussions VB
 

peakin11mugs

Semi-Pro
Nadal doesn't really suck indoors, it's just his worst surface. He played the WTF final twice, didn't he? There are no slams played indoors after all. That's how important indoors is.
Also in reply to your silly point about a silly stat earlier about non favourite slams...I just remembered. Fed has 11 slams off his favourite slam. Nadal has 6. You said fed has more chances to win his fav slam he doesn’t. He has 1 chance per year at Wimbledon. He is a grass GOAT who just happens to be so talented he is HC and indoors GOAT too. Nadal is a clay court specialist with not a single record in a non clay tournament.

As I said being a VB a who thinks the guy (nadal) with less titles, less slams, less no 1, worse record v field, losing h2h on most surfaces is better than the guy who is better in everything of those things... you have to be really creative and use weird or silly arguments of just make stuff up to run that argument. This is an example of you just making stuff up lol. Feds 11 nonfavourite slams makes nadals 6 look like a joke. Lol at nadal having less chances with clay. Fed has 1 slam and no masters in grass. Add 3 grass masters fed has another 20 titles in his career
 

peakin11mugs

Semi-Pro
Nadal has never defended a non-clay title in his entire career.
Wow even a non slam. WTF????? Seriously????

Mannnn why the heck are VB even trying to go down any line bar clay greatness discussions. @Comb Over Champion .Lol this forum should be filled with threads about nadal vs other clay court era, how would nadal fair in this clay or that clay not GOAT discussions hahah

That stat is laughable I can’t even believe it. That literally cannot be true!! I’m trying to find an ATP 250 or an exho he is defended... I can’t! Oh man

Edit: oh man he hasn’t. For reference fed has defended titles on every single surface!
 
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