Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by tennis_pro, Jul 4, 2012.
Corrected for ya.......
LOL if you actually think Nadal will not compete in the Olympics this year. :roll:
As a Federer fan, I can honestly say those two Federer fans are embarrassing lunatics but there are just as many Nadal fans on twitter who are the same way.
I actually find this rather worrying. It cannot just be a treatment he had always planned on doing, he wouldn't have scheduled the exo at the same time if that was the case...
Being that he often has problems around this time of the year though, one has to wonder why he'd schedule the exo at this time. Was it supposed to coincide with some Real Madrid anniversary celebration?
As for haters here... they're just as silly as always I guess. These people I swear, are either just trolling or they're simply not exactly smart people. Somehow, to them if he after losing, it means he's making it up to have an excuse, and if he says he has a tendinitis flare-up after winning... it means he's making it up as well.
Never mind that you could see the needle marks on his knee at Wimbledon. That must just be part of the conspiracy I guess!.
Oh, and for delutional haters the fact that a chronic injury comes up again and agin in time is somehow proof that there is no chronic injury.
I don't think he knows what those words mean, so don't bother.
I don't think "his knees are ok but he needs to take some measures for the next few months". He wouldn't have suspended the exo if they were OK, after he had kept promoting it... it's not a small issue for many people that it got suspended really. I've read many comments from people who were going from abroad and had bought plane tickets and booked hotels. No one's going to return that money to them.
he won wimbledon 2010 while being in pain and rushed to the doctors straight after the final.......it is a yearly session and it will be done as long as he plays.......without these treatment sessions, he cannot continue anymore as a tennis player.......he first developed knee tendinitis at the age of 17 and has been undergoing treatments ever since.......
*******s and *********s have no clue about it and keep mocking him all the time......nadal's injury can flare up at any time and we don't even know how many times he played matches being in pain......
he once said in 2008 that he is used to playing in pain, that must suck.......well that must have stopped sucking now because he is used to it.......
his scheduling though sometimes never makes sense.......people say that he is very soft towards exhibition commitments and cannot throw a harsh NO to those who invite him to play.......
By the way, Verdasco is having similar problems and he's using the same type of treatment.
It's not Nadal and his injury, which we perfectly understand. It's the irony that one Nadal fan cum Fed hater, JacksonVile started a thread on Fed's injury just one day before Nadal declared this. It's this stunt of dear JV that is being backlashed.
Anyone who has been active in sports, heck even any couch potato who follows any sports in the newspaper knows how much players battle with injuries.
Anyway, now it's pointless to say who started all this idiocy. It's like those wars going on for generations. Either you get into it, or you stay out.
But what hapened to "exos are not dangerous for players' health, because the are nowhere near the intensity of the matches"?
Either now you admit, that this "newfound" tendinosis is not a good enough reason to postpone that particular exo, or you admit, that for years, the entire Vamos Brigade (including you) has been spewing BS, when it comes to the issue with Nadal's complaints about the packed schedule and him playing exos at the same time.
Another interesting question is "Would Nadal have left Wimbledon, should he have won his match with Rosol, and with his knee(s) bothering him?" I think, that the answer to that question leads directly to the answer of the question, whether this exo was postponed for the reasons, Nadal gives.
You are digging your own grave with that remark. Let me ask you this question:
Why, since Nadal KNEW for sure (I assume, that he has been treated BEFORE his match with Rosol, since we saw the said marks during that match) that he is having an acute inflamation, didn't he announce prior to that match, that he is not going to participate in that exo?
It is only natural, that, if he thinks about the people , who bought tickets for it, as he lead us to believe with his official press statement, he should give them enough time to amend their plans, and not wait until the last moment, before he announces hit withdrawal.
It cannot just be a routine treatment or he wouldn't have needed to suspend the exo. He either wasn't planning on it or he thought he could take less time to recover from it. Didn't he just take a week earlier in the year?. He said 15 days with not even practising now.
I'm pretty sure the Real Madrid exo had been scheduled now because it was the 100 and something anniversary of the club.
Like FO 09 wants to make it about knees. GTFOH
I hope they've just decided that he needs to take a more proper rest time for the treatment to work (I think it's even supposed to be longer than 15 days).
But no one was talking about you Senti . It was about haters.
Exos are not dangerous for players. This has nothing to do with that. Let's assume an exo is akin to a practice. He cannot practice after the treatment, he can barely walk. So obviously he cannot play the exo. It's not the tendinitis itself that's stopping him from playing the exo (answering with this something that had been brought up earlier in the thread about how come he played those exos before Wimbledon 2009). It's the treatment.
Needle marks???? What size needles are they using? Those marks look like they were made with .357 magnum for heaven's sake.
And which doctor draws & reintroduces fluid into the knee caps?
*******s are so freaking gullible, I swear they have the mental capacity of an 8 yr old when it comes to all things Nadal.
Hmm..on second thoughts, Nadal looks pretty emaciated in the 2nd pic, maybe he was under the weather.
I am pretty sure, that he said something about nice vacation(s). You sure that he will be able to enjoy those sitting in a chair? :roll:
Oh, would you care to answer the question in post#160?
I would think the decision was made only after he saw his doctor in Spain, and that was after he lost at Wimbledon.
Thing is, he cannot practice, he cannot play an exo. Not too hard to understand.
Yep. He's supposed to rest the injury for at least 15 days,which means the exo with Possum is nixed. I really cannot believe the big deal being made over Nadal skipping an exo he really shouldn't have been playing to begin with. Get over it,ffs.
does he have grass court to practice on in spain ?
The thing is, it doesn't make sense. I am still waiting for the answer of the question in post #160.
I find the tactic of the VB amusing (that is why it is such fun to talk to you). They use as an argument "Nadal said that, so it must be true" and, when drawn into dispute about the logic behind a certain position, they resort to point of view, that is either avoiding the arguments of the opposite side, or just resort to purely absurd claims.
For example, I am still waiting for you or any other member of the VB, to show me how it was evident, that Nadal had any problems with his movement in his match with Rosol. As much as you and your camarades from the VB want to believe in things, there must be some evidence, that what Nadal says is not a speculation. And I am still to hear/read one from you.
Basically, this is what you and your friends from the VB believe, because Nadal told you so:
1) Nadal has tendinitis, that falired up.
Were is the proof, that Nadal had any problem with his movement?
2) The exo ist postponed, because Nadal can not train
Where is the proof, that the effort in an exo is such, that it will be detrimental to his health?
3) Announced the postponement of the said exo, based on medical advise
Where is the proof, that this is true, since we already know, that he was treated for severe inflamation (that is the claim of the VB, not mine), before his match with Rosol, but an announcement was never made before the said match?
4)Nadal "can barely walk" (again, your words)
Where is the proof?
Please, be kind and answer ALL the questions, but in a logical manner, and not the usual" I believe thath that is the truth, since Nadal says so". Nadal is a side, so he will say what suits his agenda, and not necessarily what is the truth.
It'll be fun if next week Fred announces he's withdrawing from some exho due to muscle strain or something. Then my good friend LOLVille can spring into action again and have a field day with the *******s
So you think all tennis players should submit their medical records to internet posters to prove they're genuinely injured/sick or something? Do you realize how silly this is? Top players especially are very good at playing through injuries (adapting their game accordingly) which aren't always evident to a spectator's eye.
Honestly, you either believe him or you don't and that's about as far as it goes but I still don't get the fuss about this, it's just an exo. Nadal might just have been mentally drained (tired of tennis at the moment) and he came up with the reason people are most likely to believe (as it is something he had all his career) or maybe his tendonitis really flared up, either way it's just not important.
he probably thought he would recover in time but maybe that isn't the case now.......he is never wise with his scheduling, so it's nothing new.......
2012 >> loses to Rosol >> just now (after the match) a retroactive "explanation" surfaces: tendonitis
Hmmm... where did I heard that music before? Oh wait!...
correct......he went as far as canceling an exhibition in a sold out stadium with 80,000 spectators......all that just to discredit some 100th ranked czech.......
They're mad 'cause the only thing they want to hear from him is that the 100th ranked player is just better than him...
I wonder the same.
Uhm, no, I'm not going to waste time like that. I already answered your other questions, clearly. Look harder...
"Where's the proof"?, he doesn' have to show his medical records to you. As Zagor rightly pointed out, that's just absurd.
Don't forget he also had someone fake injection marks on his knee just so that if he lost he would have an excuse.
They at least think now that he needs to take longer than he had been with the treatment. I don't see how that's good.
I think the bolded hits the nail on the head. I mean,some 100th ranked dude nobody has really even heard of is better than Nadal,even with his 11 slams and multiple titles. He is just the product of slower courts,left handedness,pushing,and poly strings. Even the weekend hacker down the street could beat him with the greatest of ease.
Yeah, they probably think they could beat him, lol...
We are discussing the probability, that the reasoning Nadal gave to withdraw from the exo, is genuine. Nothing more nothing less. I like to discuss the logic behind particular resoning. If you are satisfied with that to BELIEVE Nadal, OK. But he has earned the privilege to be scrutinized every time, he says something. Let us give him that, at least.
And no, show me, where I say, that he has to provide his medical record, to proove anything to anyone? This is absurd, since even for ordinary citizens' medical records are private thing (believe me, I know).
I assume logic is not your strongest suit?
For one, if Nadal is using his tendinosis as an excuse, it is not to escape the comparison with Rosol :lol:. It would be to excuse his lack of form and preparation to go past 2R at the one of the most important tournaments in tennis. A thing, that doesn't happen very often in today's game and that certainly doesn't speak good for him.
For some of us that loss is indication for other suspected things as well, but that is a whole other discussion, which I will not start here.
Rafa always leaves a bitter taste with these injury announcements. Didn't he just have tendonitis treatment? He should have waited for the tournament to finish, instead of, as always, looking like he's making an excuse and sticking a HUGE asterisk next to his defeat.
You mean you think Fed also showed a lack of preparation and form?, he could well have gone out early as well.
So he should have waited, despite the fact that people were currently buying tickets to his exo?, he should just have let them continue buying them, eventually buying plane tickets, booking hotels...
The only people who should be left with a bitter taste are his fans who naturally worry with this kind of announcement.
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