Nadal's 2010 season Vs. Fed's 2007 season....

Which is the better season?

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GasquetGOAT

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so we have established that Fed's 2006 is far more superior to Nadal's 2010, but what about Fed's 2007 season? I'd say this is a more even comparison.

Let's see,

Fed's 2007 (8) -
Tennis Masters Cup (Indoor/Hard) , Basel (Indoor/Hard) , US Open (Outdoor/Hard) , ATP Masters Series Cincinnati (Outdoor/Hard) , Wimbledon (Outdoor/Grass) , ATP Masters Series Hamburg (Outdoor/Clay) , Dubai (Outdoor/Hard) , Australian Open (Outdoor/Hard)

Nadal's 2010 (7) -

Tokyo (Outdoor/Hard) , US Open (Outdoor/Hard) , Wimbledon (Outdoor/Grass) , Roland Garros (Outdoor/Clay) , ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid (Outdoor/Clay) , ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome (Outdoor/Clay) , ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo (Outdoor/Clay)

8 titles for Fed and 7 (so far) for Nadal.

3 slams each. Same number of slams although there are debates whether it is more impressive to win 3 slams over a period of 9 month or 3 slams in 4 month.

3 clay masters for Nadal and 2 masters for Fed, but Fed has won his on two different surfaces.

1 masters cup for Fed, IMO, this is the tie breaker. If Nadal wins the WTF then his 2010 would be better, if not, Fed's 2007 would still superior.
 
illkhiboy

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GasquetGOAT said:
so we have established that Fed's 2006 is far more superior to Nadal's 2010, but what about Fed's 2007 season? I'd say this is a more even comparison.

Let's see,

Fed's 2007 (8) -
Tennis Masters Cup (Indoor/Hard) , Basel (Indoor/Hard) , US Open (Outdoor/Hard) , ATP Masters Series Cincinnati (Outdoor/Hard) , Wimbledon (Outdoor/Grass) , ATP Masters Series Hamburg (Outdoor/Clay) , Dubai (Outdoor/Hard) , Australian Open (Outdoor/Hard)

Nadal's 2010 (7) -

Tokyo (Outdoor/Hard) , US Open (Outdoor/Hard) , Wimbledon (Outdoor/Grass) , Roland Garros (Outdoor/Clay) , ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid (Outdoor/Clay) , ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome (Outdoor/Clay) , ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo (Outdoor/Clay)

8 titles for Fed and 7 (so far) for Nadal.

3 slams each. Same number of slams although there are debates whether it is more impressive to win 3 slams over a period of 9 month or 3 slams in 4 month.

3 clay masters for Nadal and 2 masters for Fed, but Fed has won his on two different surfaces.

1 masters cup for Fed, IMO, this is the tie breaker. If Nadal wins the WTF then his 2010 would be better, if not, Fed's 2007 would still superior.
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I agree. Plus Federer made the final of the Slam he didn't win, while Nadal lost in the quarters. They both had some relatively bad losses. Federer lost to Canas a couple times, while Nadal lost to Ljubicic and Melzer at the Masters, and to Lopez at Queen's.
 
GasquetGOAT

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illkhiboy said:
I agree. Plus Federer made the final of the Slam he didn't win, while Nadal lost in the quarters. They both had some relatively bad losses. Federer lost to Canas a couple times, while Nadal lost to Ljubicic and Melzer at the Masters, and to Lopez at Queen's.
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Good point. I forgot about it. One more slam final than Nadal, IMO, that's better than winning a master, no?
 
GasquetGOAT

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Talker said:
I guess it's about the same, slam final is worth more points so from that way of looking at it it's better.
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It's a more important achievement historically, for example, if Berdych was to retire now, he would be remembered as a Wimbledon finalist more than a winner of Paris Masters.
 
big bang

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GasquetGOAT said:
so we have established that Fed's 2006 is far more superior to Nadal's 2010, but what about Fed's 2007 season? I'd say this is a more even comparison.

Let's see,

Fed's 2007 (8) -
Tennis Masters Cup (Indoor/Hard) , Basel (Indoor/Hard) , US Open (Outdoor/Hard) , ATP Masters Series Cincinnati (Outdoor/Hard) , Wimbledon (Outdoor/Grass) , ATP Masters Series Hamburg (Outdoor/Clay) , Dubai (Outdoor/Hard) , Australian Open (Outdoor/Hard)

Nadal's 2010 (7) -

Tokyo (Outdoor/Hard) , US Open (Outdoor/Hard) , Wimbledon (Outdoor/Grass) , Roland Garros (Outdoor/Clay) , ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid (Outdoor/Clay) , ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome (Outdoor/Clay) , ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo (Outdoor/Clay)

8 titles for Fed and 7 (so far) for Nadal.

3 slams each. Same number of slams although there are debates whether it is more impressive to win 3 slams over a period of 9 month or 3 slams in 4 month.

3 clay masters for Nadal and 2 masters for Fed, but Fed has won his on two different surfaces.

1 masters cup for Fed, IMO, this is the tie breaker. If Nadal wins the WTF then his 2010 would be better, if not, Fed's 2007 would still superior.
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Funny you would mention that part and forget to mention that Nadal won his 3 slams on 3 different surfaces:roll:.
 
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big bang

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On top of that you also forgot the fact that Nadal was the first ever to win the same masters 1000 for the 6th time in a row and the first ever to win all 3 masters on clay and FO in the same season, but hey of course its more important to mention that Fed won 2 masters on different surfaces, a little bit biased are we?:shock:
 
illkhiboy

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big bang said:
On top of that you also forgot the fact that Nadal was the first ever to win the same masters 1000 for the 6th time in a row and the first ever to win all 3 masters on clay and FO in the same season, but hey of course its more important to mention that Fed won 2 masters on different surfaces, a little bit biased are we?:shock:
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Your point about the OP not mentioning Nadal's diverse Slam wins when acknowledging Federer's Masters wins on different surfaces is legit. However, the OP never mentioned that Federer won his 5th straight Wimbledon so I don't see how his neglecting to note Nadal's consecutive victories at Monte Carlo shows bias.

By the way, the "clay sweep" is very impressive but do note that the Masters events were often skipped in the '90s. Especially the clay court events. Sampras in fact also missed Canada a few times over the years while always playing Cincinatti. Meanwhile Indian Wells and Miami have always been important stops for the players. I can't recall a top player missing either of these events on purpose - save Nadal's absence at Indian Wells in 2005 but he wasn't a top player then.

Anyway, my point is that the clay sweep hasn't even been attempted enough. Remember Nadal himself missed Hamburg twice to save himself for the French Open. I wonder if Muster played all three clay court tournaments in his prime, or Borg for that matter.

Also, Nadal's wins on clay show his dominance over a month long period. And those are the only three Masters events he won all year. In fact, while being consistent overall, he hasn't made the final of another Masters event this year. And he has played all eight. Federer in 2007, won two, was finalist thrice and lost early thrice. That's perhaps not as impressive as Nadal's three wins but it shows his prominence over a longer time span. He was made irrelevant during IW/Miami but was in the mix on clay, proved himself the best during the pre-US Open Masters, and was again in the mix indoors.

And while Nadal did win three Slams on different surfaces, Federer was only a couple sets away from a Calendar Slam so his records don't lag too far behind.

I personally think Federer had a better year but if Nadal wins Paris or London, I could think differently. If he wins both Paris and London then no doubt his 2010 trumps Federer's 2007.

I don't know why people keep forgetting the YEC. Nadal's Masters wins get a lot of coverage but people forget that the YEC is the fifth most important tournament of the year.
 
OrangePower

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Ok, so in the Rafa 2010 vs Fed 2006 poll I voted for Fed... I used a comparison of relative ATP points to try quantify this. The number of points per tournament has changed, so absolute comparison does not work, but relative comparison within each year is still valid. Using the same analysis, I this poll I vote for Rafa - his 2010 so far is better than Fed 2007.

The numbers:

Top line: Points earned in year (year to date for 2010)
Bottom line: Points of #1 relative to others

2010: #1 Rafa 11,450, #2 Fed 6,625, #3 Djoker 5,525, Combined 2-8 31,780
#1 has 173% of #2, 207% of #3, and 36% of 2-8.

2009: #1 Fed 10,550, #2 Rafa 9,205, #3 Djoker 8,310, 2-8 44,088
#1 has 115% of #2, 127% of #3, and 24% of 2-8.

2008: #1 Rafa 6,675, #2 Fed 5,305, #3 Djoker 5,295, 2-8 23,035
#1 has 126% of #2, 126% of #3, and 29% of 2-8.

2007: #1 Fed 7,180, #2 Rafa 5,735, #3 Djoker 4,470, 2-8 22,245
#1 has 125% of #2, 161% of #3, and 32% of 2-8.

2006: #1 Fed 8,370, #2 Rafa 4,470, #3 Davy 2,825, 2-8 19,405
#1 has 187% of #2, 296% of #3, and 43% of 2-8.

Rafa has outpaced the field more in 2010 than Fed did in 2007. But nowhere near as much as Fed in 2006.
 
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ashitaka2010

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IW-Miami combo > AO-W-USO

So, I will go for Fed... well... wait... that's 2006... sorry :oops:

BUT

Montréal RU-Cinci 'the real slam' > Clay Slam

Looooooooove Rooooooooooge, the best !
 
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TMF

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big bang said:
Funny you would mention that part and forget to mention that Nadal won his 3 slams on 3 different surfaces:roll:.
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And funny how you keep belittling Fed makes 4 GS finals, winning the YEC. He also never drop a set at the AO since Rosewall in 1971.

You need more than just keep repeating over and over about the 3 straight GS. That’s all you got and it’s getting old!
 
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TACOSRULE

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TMF said:
Yes he did! He's trying to minimize the other stats that Roger has over Rafa.




The 2nd most important tournament of the year outside of the slam? Don’t think so.
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Alright, well that is a matter of opinion I guess. Nadal won RG without dropping a set as well though.





How come it isnt televised worldwide? Ask a regular sports fan and they probably wont know that it exists. Even on this forum, most know Lendl has 8 majors, but barely anyone is aware that he has 5 YEC.

Does anyone have the TV ratings for the YEC?
 
Talker

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Nadal didn't make all 4 finals.
The one he didn't make wasn't even a SF.
I consider the 4 slams to be 4 different surfaces so Fed won on 3 surfaces too.
Fed was also #1 all year.
 
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TACOSRULE

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considering 2 types of hardcourt as different surfaces is an opinion..


being #1 all year would be taking the previous season into account..
 
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meg0529

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Talker said:
Nadal didn't make all 4 finals.
The one he didn't make wasn't even a SF.
I consider the 4 slams to be 4 different surfaces so Fed won on 3 surfaces too.
Fed was also #1 all year.
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Of course you do :)
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

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So far I say Fed' 2007.

The reasons:

3 slams + final > 3 slams + SF
2 MS titles + YEC > 3 MS titles

Much closer than the 2006 debate though.
 
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TACOSRULE

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I think the channel slam is more impressive than a YEC (which is still to be played). But we can argue forever about this :)
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

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GasquetGOAT said:
so we have established that Fed's 2006 is far more superior to Nadal's 2010, but what about Fed's 2007 season? I'd say this is a more even comparison.

Let's see,

Fed's 2007 (8) -
Tennis Masters Cup (Indoor/Hard) , Basel (Indoor/Hard) , US Open (Outdoor/Hard) , ATP Masters Series Cincinnati (Outdoor/Hard) , Wimbledon (Outdoor/Grass) , ATP Masters Series Hamburg (Outdoor/Clay) , Dubai (Outdoor/Hard) , Australian Open (Outdoor/Hard)

Nadal's 2010 (7) -

Tokyo (Outdoor/Hard) , US Open (Outdoor/Hard) , Wimbledon (Outdoor/Grass) , Roland Garros (Outdoor/Clay) , ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid (Outdoor/Clay) , ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome (Outdoor/Clay) , ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo (Outdoor/Clay)

8 titles for Fed and 7 (so far) for Nadal.

3 slams each. Same number of slams although there are debates whether it is more impressive to win 3 slams over a period of 9 month or 3 slams in 4 month.

3 clay masters for Nadal and 2 masters for Fed, but Fed has won his on two different surfaces.

1 masters cup for Fed, IMO, this is the tie breaker. If Nadal wins the WTF then his 2010 would be better, if not, Fed's 2007 would still superior.
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That is a very fair comparison and a good post, GG :)
 
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ledwix

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Strangely Rafa's current 2010 record (67-9) is the same as Federer's end of season 2007 record. I'd say it's very, very close on this one. Too close to call until the year is over.
 
Talker

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TACOSRULE said:
considering 2 types of hardcourt as different surfaces is an opinion..

being #1 all year would be taking the previous season into account..
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It's not an opinion, they are not the same.
They can group grass and clay into one surface also, natural.

True about #1 though.
 
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big bang

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TMF said:
And funny how you keep belittling Fed makes 4 GS finals, winning the YEC. He also never drop a set at the AO since Rosewall in 1971.

You need more than just keep repeating over and over about the 3 straight GS. That’s all you got and it’s getting old!
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yes 4 finals is impressive, but its been done before and not record breaking!

3 in a row on different surfaces.. never done before

in fact thats all I have to say!

And so what if Fed won AO without dropping a set, Nadal won FO for the second time without doing so. AND only lost 1 set combined when he won MC, Rome and Madrid this year.

Some ppl here would vote for Fed no matter what poll is about and the result it allways the same. They are so obsessed its scary and makes me question certain posters sexuality.
Seriously when ppl start making threads about Feds haircut and meaningless stuff like that then you know they have a problem!. This is Fed worshipping Warehouse and it shows at every poll!.

Im not a fan of any of the players on tour today, maybe thats why my vision is not clouded, but at the same time the endless worshipping annoys me. Grow up ppl!
 
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P_Agony

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ledwix said:
Strangely Rafa's current 2010 record (67-9) is the same as Federer's end of season 2007 record. I'd say it's very, very close on this one. Too close to call until the year is over.
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Nadal will win a few more matches at the very least, but he'll probably lose some more as well (probably 2).
 
P_Agony

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big bang said:
yes 4 finals is impressive, but its been done before and not record breaking!

3 in a row on different surfaces.. never done before

in fact thats all I have to say!

And so what if Fed won AO without dropping a set, Nadal won FO for the second time without doing so. AND only lost 1 set combined when he won MC, Rome and Madrid this year.

Some ppl here would vote for Fed no matter what poll is about and the result it allways the same. They are so obsessed its scary and makes me question certain posters sexuality.
Seriously when ppl start making threads about Feds haircut and meaningless stuff like that then you know they have a problem!. This is Fed worshipping Warehouse and it shows at every poll!.

Im not a fan of any of the players on tour today, maybe thats why my vision is not clouded, but at the same time the endless worshipping annoys me. Grow up ppl!
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You accuse others for being *******s and you question their sexuality, and then you tell them to grow up. Am I the only one noticing how weird that is? Seriously, not everyone agrees winning 3 in a row is so important. If you think it is, vot for your favorite option, its as easy as that.

I think Fed's 2007 and Nadal's 2010 are really close in terms of quality, with Fed having the edge with another slam final and the YEC. If Nadal can win the YEC, this would become a serious discussion because then Fed's YEC card is gone and all he has left is another slam final compared with Nadal's extra MS title. I'm not sure what counts more. If Nadal wins BOTH Paris AND the YEC, I would have to agree Nadal's 2010 is better than Fed's 2007.
 
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dmt

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federer's 2007 is slightly better then nadals 2010, because of the extra slam final and YEC.
 
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piece

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big bang said:
yes 4 finals is impressive, but its been done before and not record breaking!

3 in a row on different surfaces.. never done before

in fact thats all I have to say!

And so what if Fed won AO without dropping a set, Nadal won FO for the second time without doing so. AND only lost 1 set combined when he won MC, Rome and Madrid this year.

Some ppl here would vote for Fed no matter what poll is about and the result it allways the same. They are so obsessed its scary and makes me question certain posters sexuality.
Seriously when ppl start making threads about Feds haircut and meaningless stuff like that then you know they have a problem!. This is Fed worshipping Warehouse and it shows at every poll!.

Im not a fan of any of the players on tour today, maybe thats why my vision is not clouded, but at the same time the endless worshipping annoys me. Grow up ppl!
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In a calendar year made all 4 major finals on 3 different surfaces - I Believe Federer is the only one to have done that
 
DragonBlaze

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big bang said:
yes 4 finals is impressive, but its been done before and not record breaking!

3 in a row on different surfaces.. never done before

in fact thats all I have to say!

And so what if Fed won AO without dropping a set, Nadal won FO for the second time without doing so. AND only lost 1 set combined when he won MC, Rome and Madrid this year.

Some ppl here would vote for Fed no matter what poll is about and the result it allways the same. They are so obsessed its scary and makes me question certain posters sexuality.
Seriously when ppl start making threads about Feds haircut and meaningless stuff like that then you know they have a problem!. This is Fed worshipping Warehouse and it shows at every poll!.

Im not a fan of any of the players on tour today, maybe thats why my vision is not clouded, but at the same time the endless worshipping annoys me. Grow up ppl!
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piece said:
In a calendar year made all 4 major finals on 3 different surfaces - I Believe Federer is the only one to have done that
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Atleast get your facts straight big bang.
 
abmk

abmk

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big bang said:
yes 4 finals is impressive, but its been done before and not record breaking!

3 in a row on different surfaces.. never done before

in fact thats all I have to say!
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tell us genius, who's done 4 slam finals in a season after laver in 69 ? :)

federer has done it not once, not twice, but thrice btw, 2k6,2k7 and 2k9

big bang said:
Im not a fan of any of the players on tour today, maybe thats why my vision is not clouded, but at the same time the endless worshipping annoys me. Grow up ppl!
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all your posts about rafa point towards the same "worshiping"

big bang said:
Monte "casa de la Rafa" Carlo:)
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http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=5146526#post5146526

big bang said:
Well Im a big Safin fan, but voted for Nadal! no matter how good Marat played that day Nadal would frustrate him and make him go nuts and smash all his sticks! Safin is not mentally strong enough to beat Nadal in a best of 5 set match..
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http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=350664&page=9
 
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abmk

abmk

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TACOSRULE said:
who's done 3 straight majors in a season after laver in 69? :razz:
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well that is well known - I'm not debating that. All I was pointing out was big bang getting his facts horribly wrong and "reasoning" using them

TBH, its not 3 in a row that is of great importance ( well unless he manages to make it 4 in a row ) . Its more the fact that nadal did on clay,grass and hard that is mighty impressive.
 
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borg number one

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abmk said:
well that is well known - I'm not debating that. All I was pointing out was big bang getting his facts horribly wrong and "reasoning" using them

TBH, its not 3 in a row that is to be fussed about. Its more the fact that nadal did on clay,grass and hard that is mighty impressive.
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Exactly. Winning majors on red clay, grass, and hard courts is the most impressive aspect of Nadal's 2010 season. In my opinion, Nadal's 2010 season is more impressive than Federer's 2007 season for that central reason. I think it all starts with an analysis of the majors played and that aspect tips the scales in favor of Nadal.
 
The-Champ

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What's the point in arguing about who has the best season. The real question is can Rafa and Fed hit backhand slices at 80mph?
 
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TMF

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The-Champ said:
What's the point in arguing about who has the best season. The real question is can Rafa and Fed hit backhand slices at 80mph?
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Well, you are going to ask Limpinhitter about that b/c he's the only one who knows which player can slice 80mph. Ask Drak, he'll tell you.
 
abmk

abmk

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borg number one said:
Exactly. Winning majors on red clay, grass, and hard courts is the most impressive aspect of Nadal's 2010 season. In my opinion, Nadal's 2010 season is more impressive than Federer's 2007 season for that central reason. I think it all starts with an analysis of the majors played and that aspect tips the scales in favor of Nadal.
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that is one point of view but ....

even if you start with the majors, you could also argue that fed has 3 wins and 1 slam final - only stopped by arguably the greatest CC ever - nadal , in the final; nadal has 3 slam wins and a QF ....

coming to win-loss record , its identical now if I am not mistaken

fed had 2 masters, one on hard and one on clay, rafa has all 3 on clay ( so far )

fed won YEC, we have to see what rafa does

However I think fed had more competition in the majors in 2007 by some distance

AO: fed faced roddick and red-hot gonzo, rafa faced murray, nadal had it tougher

FO: fed faced rafa, rafa faced soderling who was not at his best, fed had it tougher, not even close

Wim: fed faced rafa, rafa faced murray/berdych/sod, this has to go to fed because rafa 2007 was simply quite clearly better than any of the other 3

USO: fed faced djoker/roddick/davydenko , rafa faced djoker - gamewise, a weaker version than the 2007 one, though djoker was tougher mentally this time around, (where did that serve go ? ) , fed had it tougher and its not even close .... let's not forget roddick was playing fabulous in the QF and only federer playing darn well stopped him !

I think the field in general was stronger in 2007 than in 2010

Just saying there are loads of factors to be considered
 
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