Nadal's "8 Record" Might Last about 28 Days

winstonplum

Hall of Fame
Federer is going to get a really good look at this tournament. He'll have to go Murray/Nole just like he did last year. Last year, with some spectacular tennis, he made it look not even that hard. We'll see if he can do it again.
 

SQA333

Hall of Fame
Guys, Federer is losing to Murray in the semi-finals. No question about it. Murray will have confidence to do it after whipping his bottom in the Olympics.
 

MTF07

Semi-Pro
Guys, Federer is losing to Murray in the semi-finals. No question about it. Murray will have confidence to do it after whipping his bottom in the Olympics.

Federer has never lost a Wimbledon semifinal match. Good luck with that.
 
i want fed to win obviously, but its really hard..fed really need to extract every ounce of his skills, talents and good luck to get through Murray/Joker (assuming they both make it).
fed should be cruising quite easy until semi though, hope he can get enough prep for semi and final
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer is going to get a really good look at this tournament. He'll have to go Murray/Nole just like he did last year. Last year, with some spectacular tennis, he made it look not even that hard. We'll see if he can do it again.

Let's hope Federer can do it! ;)
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Regardless, I don't think Federer is winning Wimbledon this year, but it would be funny to see the Nadal fans reaction if he did.

I did not think Federer would win this W a few days ago but with his biggest nemesis out of the tournament it may be just the ticket needed to motivate him again. He will have his work cut out for him against potentially Tsonga/Murray and then probably Djokovic but let's face it, those guys are not as much of a match-up problem for Federer as Nadal is and Federer is going to want that 8th title.
 
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RFederer has this ability to step up his game (see Wimbledon 2012) when the draw opens up. With his nemesis out, RNadal, he'll be desperate for the record breaking #8. So, watch out AMurray and NDjokovic!

#RFedererToWinWimbledon2013
 

bullfan

Legend
Wrong. The one thing I've learned is that there are so many records. Even if Roger wins Wimbledon, Rafa did it first.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Wrong. The one thing I've learned is that there are so many records. Even if Roger wins Wimbledon, Rafa did it first.

It does not matter who did it first, the important thing is that if Federer can win his 8th W he will have the record number of W titles and be the sole grass GOAT of the Open Era.
 

bullfan

Legend
It does not matter who did it first, the important thing is that if Federer can win his 8th W he will have the record number of W titles and be the sole grass GOAT of the Open Era.

Doesn't Roger already have the 7 wins? And I meant 8 at a tournament, in case that wasn't clear. Roger getting to 8 after Rafa got to 8 was my point.
 
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Yes, but that only ties him with Sampras at 7 titles. If Federer wins an 8th title he will stand alone at W just as Nadal stands alone at the FO.

RNadal stands alone with 8 titles not only in men's tennis, but including women's tennis as well eclipsing CEvert's 7 titles, but RFederer will still be behind MNavratilova's 9 singles titles.
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that had the roof not been closed for the latter stages of the tournament, Federer would not have won Wimbledon last year. He was neck and neck with Murray in the final until the roof was closed. He's at a level right now where semifinals is a great result for him, and finals is remarkable.

He hasn't been able to deal with the other members of the 'big 4' over 5 sets anywhere but at last years indoor Wimbledon for a couple of years now, he's lost 3 consecutive Australian semifinals to each of them, plus the handling he got from Djokovic in Paris last year. Add to that all the trouble he's had with Berdych and Tsonga, not to mention how much of a struggle he had just to get past Del Potro at the Olympics, and yeah, it's a little premature to talk about him being able to just replicate what he did here last year.

Those 2 days of rain in London last year really helped papered over a lot of the cracks.
 
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I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that had the roof not been closed for the latter stages of the tournament, Federer would not have won Wimbledon last year. He was neck and neck with Murray in the final until the roof was closed. He's at a level right now where semifinals is a great result for him, and finals is remarkable.

He hasn't been able to deal with the other members of the 'big 4' over 5 sets anywhere but at last years indoor Wimbledon for a couple of years now, he's lost 3 consecutive Australian semifinals to each of them, plus the handling he got from Djokovic in Paris last year. Add to that all the trouble he's had with Berdych and Tsonga, not to mention how much of a struggle he had just to get past Del Potro at the Olympics, and yeah, it's a little premature to talk about him being able to just replicate what he did here last year.

Those 2 days of rain in London last year really helped papered over a lot of the cracks.

Agreed that the roof helped him, but give him the credit he deserves instead of trying to diminishing his performance last year. He adapts the best to conditions and is probably the best indoor player currently in the top 4.
Also, before the roof closed, RFederer had already won the second set was serving at 0-0 40-0 IIRC. The momentum was on his side. Being much more experienced he would have won anyway. It's just that the roof has accelerated the obvious.
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
Agreed that the roof helped him, but give him the credit he deserves instead of trying to diminishing his performance last year. He adapts the best to conditions and is probably the best indoor player currently in the top 4.
Also, before the roof closed, RFederer had already won the second set was serving at 0-0 40-0 IIRC. The momentum was on his side. Being much more experienced he would have won anyway. It's just that the roof has accelerated the obvious.
I'm not trying to rob him of all credit. The fact is he has struggled at every single major even except for that one, including the one played on the same courts just a couple of weeks later. The only difference between that one and all the others was that it was indoor.

He is unquestionably the best indoor player in the world right now, if not ever, and most adaptable to conditions.

And yes, he had won the second set, and I believe they closed the roof at 1-1 in the third. I didn't say he was getting pummeled. It was neck and neck, that's what I said. The closing of the roof ceased to make it a contest.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
RNadal stands alone

He certainly does stand alone--the only tennis great in or near his prime to lose in 2nd and 1st rounds at a slam two years in a row! ;)

The point is if Federer can win his 8th W, he will stand alone as the male W GOAT just as Nadal stands alone as the male FO goat.
 
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I'm not trying to rob him of all credit. The fact is he has struggled at every single major even except for that one, including the one played on the same courts just a couple of weeks later. The only difference between that one and all the others was that it was indoor.

He is unquestionably the best indoor player in the world right now, if not ever, and most adaptable to conditions.

And yes, he had won the second set, and I believe they closed the roof at 1-1 in the third. I didn't say he was getting pummeled. It was neck and neck, that's what I said. The closing of the roof ceased to make it a contest.

Fair enough! But saying "he should not have won Wimbledon" did sound like he snatched the title without any effort, skills and talent. How often do we forget that RFederer won 6 of the 7 finals WITHOUT the roof? RNadal had to play the one of the greatest match to beat him.

He certainly does stand alone--the only tennis great in or near his prime to lose in 2nd and 1st rounds at a slam two years in a row! ;)

The point is if Federer can win his 8th W, he will stand alone as the male W GOAT just as Nadal stands alone as the male FO goat.

Despite being RFederer fan, I am not a RNadal hater, so I am keeping my mouth shut on this one :D
 

adil1972

Hall of Fame
Guys, Federer is losing to Murray in the semi-finals. No question about it. Murray will have confidence to do it after whipping his bottom in the Olympics.

federer lost olympics, because he played long 3rd set 16-14 i believe and so fed was tired in olympics final
 
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federer lost olympics, because he played long 3rd set 16-14 i believe and so fed was tired in olympics final

Please! No excuses. If RFederer isn't capable of playing match after that SF, then perhaps he should have quit before the final. He wanted to win the gold medal, but AMurray outplayed him. It was RFederer's problem that he couldn't conserve enough energy for the final, so why take credits away from AMurray?

With that said, RFederer will be anxious to avenge that defeat in the SF. Watch out AMurray and his fanboys/fangirls :twisted:
 

winstonplum

Hall of Fame
And as far as Fed having a good look at the title this year, think about the fact that he hasn't gone through Nadal to win a title in six years. He was 25 the last time he did. He's 0-5 against Nadal in slams since then. So when Nadal goes out of a slam, Fed gets a much better look at it. That's just a fact.
 
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And who says one has to go through RNadal to get proper credit for a slam? RFederer did beat two of the top 4 back to back to win the trophy.
 

adil1972

Hall of Fame
Please! No excuses. If RFederer isn't capable of playing match after that SF, then perhaps he should have quit before the final. He wanted to win the gold medal, but AMurray outplayed him. It was RFederer's problem that he couldn't conserve enough energy for the final, so why take credits away from AMurray?

With that said, RFederer will be anxious to avenge that defeat in the SF. Watch out AMurray and his fanboys/fangirls :twisted:

so the fact is an excuse
 

m2nk2

Hall of Fame
Yeah but Murray skipped RG to focus on Wimbledon. He's gonna be hard to beat, so will Djoko.

Tsonga owned Federer easy 2 weeks ago btw..
 
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so the fact is an excuse

It's not an excuse. RFederer knows his body better than anyone else. If he had a chance to beat AMurray in the final, he should have ended the SF match against JMDelPotro much earlier, but he couldn't and hence paid the price for it. Sure, it's not easy to recover from long matches when one is 31 year old, but one can't afford to have long matches like that if he wants to win the whole tournament.
 

Warmaster

Hall of Fame
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that had the roof not been closed for the latter stages of the tournament, Federer would not have won Wimbledon last year. He was neck and neck with Murray in the final until the roof was closed. He's at a level right now where semifinals is a great result for him, and finals is remarkable.

He hasn't been able to deal with the other members of the 'big 4' over 5 sets anywhere but at last years indoor Wimbledon for a couple of years now, he's lost 3 consecutive Australian semifinals to each of them, plus the handling he got from Djokovic in Paris last year. Add to that all the trouble he's had with Berdych and Tsonga, not to mention how much of a struggle he had just to get past Del Potro at the Olympics, and yeah, it's a little premature to talk about him being able to just replicate what he did here last year.

Those 2 days of rain in London last year really helped papered over a lot of the cracks.

It's a huge stretch in my opinion. Federer had already gained the momentum in the final after winning the second set. I immediately thought the roof closing would help Murray initially because he could regroup mentally. You can't just say he wouldn't have won because he lost in RG, AO and USO ignoring his Wimbledon 2012 form, which was a lot better than what he showed in those other majors. Federer had already won Wimbledon 6 times, I'm sure he would have managed to deal with the tricky outdoors conditions just fine!


Anyway, on topic: it could happen but it's very unlikely. Not only has Murray improved but Federer is not as good as last year. His lack of confidence against top 10 players this year might hurt him as well. I say Murray wins the potential SF in 4, but I might alter that statement if Federer continues to play well.
 

Warmaster

Hall of Fame
And as far as Fed having a good look at the title this year, think about the fact that he hasn't gone through Nadal to win a title in six years. He was 25 the last time he did. He's 0-5 against Nadal in slams since then. So when Nadal goes out of a slam, Fed gets a much better look at it. That's just a fact.

Do you mean that when top players go out early, the other top players have a better chance of winning???? That's some insight right here, someone give this man a medal!
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer will suffer another early exit this year. You can take that to the bank

If you are a Nadal fan I suggest that you root for Fed instead because if Nole win Wimbledon, he's on the verge to be the 2nd best grass player in this era.
 

uncooling

Semi-Pro
If you are a Nadal fan I suggest that you root for Fed instead because if Nole win Wimbledon, he's on the verge to be the 2nd best grass player in this era.

???

5 finals vs. 1 final

what do you say?

Novak never beat Murray/Federer on grass.

How many times Nadal beat Federer/Murray at Wimbledon?
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
???

5 finals vs. 1 final

what do you say?

Novak never beat Murray/Federer on grass.

How many times Nadal beat Federer/Murray at Wimbledon?

If Nole win W he's inching closer to Nadal. If I'm a Nadal fan, I would rather have Roger win W instead of Nole.

Nole doesn't have to beat both Fed/Murray since they are in the same half.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Novak never beat Murray/Federer on grass.

How many times Nadal beat Federer/Murray at Wimbledon?

Novak never played Murray at Wimbledon, and lost once against Federer.
Nadal is 1-2 against Fed at Wimbledon. I don't see how that's so much better.

The titles are all that matter anyways. If Nole retires with more Wimbledons than Nadal, then he's a better grass courter than Nadal.
 
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