Nadal's comment after the draw: "Can I have my cake and walk it, too?"

I definitely think his draw is easier on paper but I don't think if you put Nadal in Federer's spot that he'd lose before the SF there either.

Djokovic/A.Zverev if he's there I'd rate higher than Dimitrov in a SF though. Dimitrov probably aint even making the SF either. And even if he does he's property of the Ralph. Zverev/Nadal Fred/Djokovic or Djokovic/Nadal Zverev/Fred would be two great sfs, but oh well. Is what it is.
 

Sport

Legend
I have to disagree with the general view. Nadal, not Federer, has the worst draw. Why would I hold such an extravagant hypothesis? Here is the reason:

1) Kyrgios/Dimitrov will wait in semifinals.

That's all. As everyone knows, Kyrgios was the worst possible option of the draw before the final. No offense, but right now Djokovic is a shadow of himself and to compare Goffin with Kyrgios is a bad joke.
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
I have to disagree with the general view. Nadal, not Federer, has the worst draw. Why would I hold such an extravagant hypothesis? Here is the reason:

1) Kyrgios/Dimitrov will wait in semifinals.

That's all. As everyone knows, Kyrgios was the worst possible option of the draw before the final. No offense, but right now Djokovic is a shadow of himself and to compare Goffin with Kyrgios is a bad joke.
Except that having Kyrgios as a sure bet to make SF sounds very premature at this stage, #sorrytotellyouthatmate. Kind of like saying that Djokovic *will* be there in SF, too. And if both are (which means they are both playing well), which one would you rather face? The rookie at the stage of the competition, or the six-time winner?

Yeah, thought so... ;)
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
Rafas USO draw wasn't weak. He can't help it that the people he should have faced, lost. IE Mr. Federer.

Nadal Had Berdych, Goffin, Dimitrov all in his 1/4. Can't blame it on a lucky draw because people lost before they got to him. Then he had fed looming in the semis who was the favorite to win it. Fed loses and he still got delpo.
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
Oh? And what exactly is tough in Nadal's draw?

Interesting to note that Nadal fans now apparently consider Delpo and Novak cookies. It's definitely something to make a mental note of for future reference.
It's always the same mental gymnastics with them anyway. As long as it's in Fed's draw, it's easy. But once it's in Rafa's draw, it suddenly becomes super-tough, even if it's the same players we're talking about. Same with weak era, this only affects Fed, and his results are the only one that should get "asterisked" (this one is so silly) even though Nadal also played at the same time (but it was super-tough for him, so I guess that evens things out). :rolleyes:
 

JackGates

Hall of Fame
At the moment Kyrgios and Dimitrov are tougher! They are in good form and injury free unlike Djoker and Delpo
Well but champions like Delpo and Djokovic improve on their form in slams, so they will be tougher when they reach Federer.

Last time Nadal totally owned Kyrgios and Delpo defeated Federer. And Kyrgios historically is not good at the grand slam level.

I guess agree to disagree?
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
Delpo wasn't considered a cookie at the US Open, he is now. Shocking.
That's probably because he's had a string of awful results a la Mladenovic since then. Let's see... SF at USO, R16 in Beijing, SF in Shanghai, W in Stockholm, F in Basel, QF in Paris. Clearly some major suckage here. I mean, the guy was ranked #28 at the USO, when he was a super-tough opponent, and he'll be back inside the top 10 on Monday, when he'll suck again. Seems legit. :rolleyes:
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Link to draw ???

Would be nice if OP could poast in link in the first post. I googled but nothing coming up yet. ausopen site has something in a format that i can barely read.
 

LETitBE

Hall of Fame
Well but champions like Delpo and Djokovic improve on their form in slams, so they will be tougher when they reach Federer.

Last time Nadal totally owned Kyrgios and Delpo defeated Federer. And Kyrgios historically is not good at the grand slam level.

I guess agree to disagree?
what happened last time nadal met Kyrgios in a slam?
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
Damn, the moaning has begun already.

Anyway, I like the draw well enough. That third section where you have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, Shapovalov, and Rublev you've got a major opportunity for someone to step up and prove themselves, and some exciting battles. Hopefully Tsonga and Ferrer don't decide to be boring, and ruin everyones fun.

Bottom half is tough to make a judgement on considering we have no idea what kind of condition Wawrinka, Djokovic, Raonic are all going to be in. It could either be really tough, or a sea of falling heroes.

Will Thiem pull out of his tailspin?

Will younger, bigger Zverev finally have a good run in a major?

Could the Zverev's face off in round 3???

Will Goffin maintain his momentum from end of season??

I think there's a bunch of really interesting first rounders too - Edmund/Anderson, Del Potro/Tiafoe, Querrey/Feliciano, Kokkinakis/Medvedev, Rublev/Ferrer.

Looking forward to it!

On the womens side -

Petra and Petko in the first round is a tragedy :(

section 3 is loaded up heavy in the womens draw too!

Potential blockbuster between Mladenovic and Garcia in round 4. I don't want it to happen because I hope Mrs. Thiem loses early, but it would be an event.

Will Belinda Bencic rediscover her tennis ability after spending time with Roger and knock off grandma in round 1?

Does Pushniacki have a cakewalk to the quarter finals, or is there something I'm missing?
 

JackGates

Hall of Fame
what happened last time nadal met Kyrgios in a slam?
Come on that was years ago and Nadal really declined on grass. Plus, grass really helps Kyrgios game.

If Kyrgios beat him last year in a HC slam, then I would give it to you. Until Kyrgios proves himself at majors, I will never consider him a tough draw.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Damn, the moaning has begun already.

Anyway, I like the draw well enough. That third section where you have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, Shapovalov, and Rublev you've got a major opportunity for someone to step up and prove themselves, and some exciting battles. Hopefully Tsonga and Ferrer don't decide to be boring, and ruin everyones fun.

Bottom half is tough to make a judgement on considering we have no idea what kind of condition Wawrinka, Djokovic, Raonic are all going to be in. It could either be really tough, or a sea of falling heroes.

Will Thiem pull out of his tailspin?

Will younger, bigger Zverev finally have a good run in a major?

Could the Zverev's face off in round 3???

Will Goffin maintain his momentum from end of season??

I think there's a bunch of really interesting first rounders too - Edmund/Anderson, Del Potro/Tiafoe, Querrey/Feliciano, Kokkinakis/Medvedev, Rublev/Ferrer.

Looking forward to it!

On the womens side -

Petra and Petko in the first round is a tragedy :(

section 3 is loaded up heavy in the womens draw too!

Potential blockbuster between Mladenovic and Garcia in round 4. I don't want it to happen because I hope Mrs. Thiem loses early, but it would be an event.

Will Belinda Bencic rediscover her tennis ability after spending time with Roger and knock off grandma in round 1?

Does Pushniacki have a cakewalk to the quarter finals, or is there something I'm missing?
1) takes a dig at people "moaning about the draws"
2) moans about the draws

Ridiculous?

Not at all, if you consider the source.

:cool:
 

Knightrider

Hall of Fame
Come on that was years ago and Nadal really declined on grass. Plus, grass really helps Kyrgios game.

If Kyrgios beat him last year in a HC slam, then I would give it to you. Until Kyrgios proves himself at majors, I will never consider him a tough draw.
You are missing the point (like in most of your posts since you joined recently). The point is that IF Kyrgios reaches the SF, he would have proved himself at the GS stage and at that moment he would be in red hot form. If he goes out early, end of discussion.
Same with Djokovic. If he reaches the SF, he would be dangerous for Federer. But i dont think Djokovic is going beyond the first week. If you remove Djokovic from the SF equation (which is very likely to happen), then Federer's SF is easier than Nadal's (either Dimitrov or Kyrgios).
 
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JackGates

Hall of Fame
You are missing the point (like in most of your posts since you joined recently). The point is that IF Kyrgios reaches the SF, he would have proved himself at the GS stage and at that moment he would be in red hot form. If he goes out early, end of discussion.
Same with Djokovic. If he reaches the SF, he would be dangerous for Federer. But i dont think Djokovicbis going beyond the first week. If you remove Djokovic from the SF equation (which is veru likely to happen), then Federer's SF is easier than Nadal's (either Dimitrov or Kyrgios).
That was exactly my point. If Djokovic and Delpo make it to Federer, they will also prove themselves and they have the tools to beat Federer.

But, Kyrgios even if he makes it, it will be his first time, no experience, so Rafa has a mental edge while Delpo and Djokovic have proven they can take out big names.

So, before Kyrgios has proven himself why do you give him more chances to make the semis than Delpo and Djokovic?

And a cherry on top, Kyrgios matches better against Federer, so there is that also, so Kyrgios would be tougher for Federer in general. And Delpo and Djokovic match pretty well vs Federer too, by the way.

The same way Dimitrov is easier for Federer than for Nadal.
And I don't think Kyrgios beating Rafa on grass years ago has any meaning, it was a fluke.
 

Knightrider

Hall of Fame
why do you give him more chances to make the semis than Delpo and Djokovic?
Because they are Wrist-potro and Elbowvic.

And btw, I am not giving more chance than Dimitrov (both can win, but i would put kyrgios slightly ahead after Brisbane). In any case, one of Dimitrov and Kyrgios is more likely to reach the SF than one of Delpo-Djokovic. That is my point.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
It amazes me that you have never visited the Pro Match Results and Discussion forum (during 10 years):
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/2018-australian-open-mens-singles-general-discussion-thread.605020/page-15#post-11907345
You mean to say that it amazes you that he doesn't constantly browse the forum in search of things to troll about like you do?

Because the official site of the tournament is the proper place to look for such information and not the less likely Pro matches and results section, which is dedicated to..... Pro matches and results...... mostly.

:cool:
 
Damn, the moaning has begun already.

Anyway, I like the draw well enough. That third section where you have Dimitrov, Kyrgios, Shapovalov, and Rublev you've got a major opportunity for someone to step up and prove themselves, and some exciting battles. Hopefully Tsonga and Ferrer don't decide to be boring, and ruin everyones fun.

Bottom half is tough to make a judgement on considering we have no idea what kind of condition Wawrinka, Djokovic, Raonic are all going to be in. It could either be really tough, or a sea of falling heroes.

Will Thiem pull out of his tailspin?

Will younger, bigger Zverev finally have a good run in a major?

Could the Zverev's face off in round 3???

Will Goffin maintain his momentum from end of season??

I think there's a bunch of really interesting first rounders too - Edmund/Anderson, Del Potro/Tiafoe, Querrey/Feliciano, Kokkinakis/Medvedev, Rublev/Ferrer.

Looking forward to it!

On the womens side -

Petra and Petko in the first round is a tragedy :(

section 3 is loaded up heavy in the womens draw too!

Potential blockbuster between Mladenovic and Garcia in round 4. I don't want it to happen because I hope Mrs. Thiem loses early, but it would be an event.

Will Belinda Bencic rediscover her tennis ability after spending time with Roger and knock off grandma in round 1?

Does Pushniacki have a cakewalk to the quarter finals, or is there something I'm missing?
Berdych De Minaur a great 1R too
 

JackGates

Hall of Fame
Because they are Wrist-potro and Elbowvic.

And btw, I am not giving more chance than Dimitrov (both can win, but i would put kyrgios slightly ahead after Brisbane). In any case, one of Dimitrov and Kyrgios is more likely to reach the SF than one of Delpo-Djokovic. That is my point.
The bookies put Djokovic as third favourite, so he is more likely to make the semis. That's why Federer has tougher draw.

If Federer had Delpo and Berdych, then you would have a point.
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
You are missing the point (like in most of your posts since you joined recently). The point is that IF Kyrgios reaches the SF, he would have proved himself at the GS stage and at that moment he would be in red hot form. If he goes out early, end of discussion.
Same with Djokovic. If he reaches the SF, he would be dangerous for Federer. But i dont think Djokovic is going beyond the first week. If you remove Djokovic from the SF equation (which is very likely to happen), then Federer's SF is easier than Nadal's (either Dimitrov or Kyrgios).
Look what you're doing, though--you're removing Djokovic from the equation, while still keeping Dimitrov and Kyrgios (who are anything but consistent players) in it. Double standards much?
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
Because they are Wrist-potro and Elbowvic.

And btw, I am not giving more chance than Dimitrov (both can win, but i would put kyrgios slightly ahead after Brisbane). In any case, one of Dimitrov and Kyrgios is more likely to reach the SF than one of Delpo-Djokovic. That is my point.
Well, obviously, since Del Potro will have to beat Federer in QF in order to reach SF. In Nadal's half of the draw, if everything goes against him (so to speak), he gets to play either Dimitrov or Kyrgios. If the same goes for Federer, he gets to play both Del Potro and Djokovic in successive rounds, which is much harder than only one of Dimi/Nick.
 

JackGates

Hall of Fame
Well, obviously, since Del Potro will have to beat Federer in QF in order to reach SF. In Nadal's half of the draw, if everything goes against him (so to speak), he gets to play either Dimitrov or Kyrgios. If the same goes for Federer, he gets to play both Del Potro and Djokovic in successive rounds, which is much harder than only one of Dimi/Nick.
Yeah that too, I have forgotten about this part.

But even if Nadal had to play Kyrgios and Dimitrov back to back, Fed still has tougher draw.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
You mean to say that it amazes you that he doesn't constantly browse the forum in search of things to troll about like you do?

Because the official site of the tournament is the proper place to look for such information and not the less likely Pro matches and results section, which is dedicated to..... Pro matches and results...... mostly.

:cool:
It amazes me that you, stalker, didn't notice his browsing activity:
Link to draw ???

Would be nice if OP could poast in link in the first post. I googled but nothing coming up yet. ausopen site has something in a format that i can barely read.
 
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