Nadals loss to Djokovic in Indian Wells says two things to me:

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LanceStern

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1. Djokovic is at the top of his form and is playing unbelievable hard court tennis right now

2. Naysayers against Federer dipping in form are wrong. In 2011, Federer has been 18-3, won one title and has been to the semifinals or finals of the four tournaments he has entered.

The only loss has been to Djokovic, which critics use to bash Federer and say he is doing terrible. now that Djokovic has beaten everyone that there is to beat (handily defeating world number 1 Nadal), we see it's not Federer losing form, it's Djokovic being at his best at the moment.
 
FEDERER FACTS:
In those four tournaments, he has had straight-set victories over every opponent except for two (Gilles simon and Tommy Robredo at the AO). Other than that he has beaten his opponents in straight sets.

The only losses he has had this year is to Djokovic. People have claimed he is "dipping in form" (which is somewhat true), "should hang up his racket", "will never win again" etc. All thos claims are trash.

To top that off and looking back at the 2010 season: "After hiring Paul Annacone as his coach, Federer has entered nine tournaments, won five of them, was runner up in two, and reached the semifinals of the other two. Since Wimbledon 2010, Federer has a win loss record of 34–4".

The facts prove that Federer is in his most consistent form since 2007. It's not as good as his peak form (who is?) but he has been the most consistent. That includes his backhand, his forehand, and his serve.

The facts prove that Federer is one of the most dangerous players to watch out for on tour and still a legitimate threat to win tournaments.

Federer isn't losing his edge, if anythign else he's been gaining it back since the 2008 travesty haunted him and his form. He's just running into an unstoppable hard-court beast right now in Novak Djokovic
 
I agree. Since Wimbledon Federer has made a big improvement to his game (compared to his form post Australian Open through wimbledon 2010).

Federer actually did slightly better against Djokovic than Nadal did.
 
It says two things to me, too.

Nadal did well to get to a Master's final after a long layoff.

Fed played well.

Novak's on fire.

del Potro looked good.

And all is good in the tennis world.
 
LanceStern said:
FEDERER FACTS:
In those four tournaments, he has had straight-set victories over every opponent except for two (Gilles simon and Tommy Robredo at the AO). Other than that he has beaten his opponents in straight sets.

The only losses he has had this year is to Djokovic. People have claimed he is "dipping in form" (which is somewhat true), "should hang up his racket", "will never win again" etc. All thos claims are trash.

To top that off and looking back at the 2010 season: "After hiring Paul Annacone as his coach, Federer has entered nine tournaments, won five of them, was runner up in two, and reached the semifinals of the other two. Since Wimbledon 2010, Federer has a win loss record of 34–4".

The facts prove that Federer is in his most consistent form since 2007. It's not as good as his peak form (who is?) but he has been the most consistent. That includes his backhand, his forehand, and his serve.

The facts prove that Federer is one of the most dangerous players to watch out for on tour and still a legitimate threat to win tournaments.

Federer isn't losing his edge, if anythign else he's been gaining it back since the 2008 travesty haunted him and his form. He's just running into an unstoppable hard-court beast right now in Novak Djokovic
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Very true :)
 
Federer may have only lost to Djokovic but he hasnt beaten anyone of note either. Watching him play he is far from playing great, and easily vurnerable to anyone of the top 5 or 6 right now.
 
TheTruth said:
It says two things to me, too.

Nadal did well to get to a Master's final after a long layoff.

Fed played well.

Novak's on fire.

del Potro looked good.

And all is good in the tennis world.
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Agree with all of this....hope Fed has a few more years in him and, with Joker playing well and Delpo back on the rise, tennis fans will be the victors.
 
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NadalAgassi said:
Federer may have only lost to Djokovic but he hasnt beaten anyone of note either. Watching him play he is far from playing great, and easily vurnerable to anyone of the top 5 or 6 right now.
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I don't see much value in blaming an almost 30 year old player b/c he's not as good as when he was 25-26 years old. Fed's lost a step but he's still awesome.
 
What it told me is that Djokovic is finally playing well CONSISTENTLY, I think that has come with maturity both as a person, and a player, and his belief has increased staggeringly.

Yes, Federer is very consistent, and should never be taken lightly. However, Djokovic is incredible form, and after watching the final, can beat anyone in world currently.
 
mcenroefan said:
I don't see much value in blaming an almost 30 year old player b/c he's not as good as when he was 25-26 years old. Fed's lost a step but he's still awesome.
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I am not blaming him for anything. I said on another thread it is natural to expect an older player to slow down, and some Federer fans are unrealistic in their expectations for him now. I am just pointing out I dont see anything about his play thus far that indicates he would be winning everything if he didnt end up playing Djokovic.
 
Could definitely be argued he hasn't beaten anyone of note, but also speaks to his consistency in that he's making it to finals and semis while the others aren't keeping up.

except Djokovic :)

That or Federer is avoiding the Top 5/6 by going to tournaments they aren't in o_o
 
jackson vile said:
Roger the only player that can be at the top of his game and at the bottom at the same time LOL
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No kidding...moments of brilliance followed by some of the worst mishits I've seen.

chrischris said:
yeeees sir..we are in for a helluva tennis year. enjoy!
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This is gonna get good!!! Three men are hungry....Djokovic for the next level and respect, Nadal chasing Fed's records, and Fed trying to distance himself historically.

Awesome to see Del Potro working his way back to form as well!

Too many emotions to put into words....
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TheTruth said:
It says two things to me, too.

Nadal did well to get to a Master's final after a long layoff.

Fed played well.

Novak's on fire.

del Potro looked good.

And all is good in the tennis world.
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Nicely written.
1 or 2 youngsters to break top 20 would be icing on the cake.
 
TheTruth said:
It says two things to me, too.

Nadal did well to get to a Master's final after a long layoff.

Fed played well.

Novak's on fire.

del Potro looked good.

And all is good in the tennis world.
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I like it. Very simple observations yet all true from what I can tell. It's crazy that one tournament generates so much speculation.
 
Fed will benefit if Nadal and Djokovic will wore each other out like in 2009 Madrid. But as a tennis fan I hope they won't.
 
LanceStern said:
1. Djokovic is at the top of his form and is playing unbelievable hard court tennis right now

2. Naysayers against Federer dipping in form are wrong. In 2011, Federer has been 18-3, won one title and has been to the semifinals or finals of the four tournaments he has entered.

The only loss has been to Djokovic, which critics use to bash Federer and say he is doing terrible. now that Djokovic has beaten everyone that there is to beat (handily defeating world number 1 Nadal), we see it's not Federer losing form, it's Djokovic being at his best at the moment.
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Fed didn't play all that well at IW, though. Neither did Nadal. The way Fed was shanking and Rafa was serving, they could have lost to many players, not only Djokovic. So, I wouldn't say it was simply a case of Djokovic being hot.
 
My FACTS :)

1. Nole is unbeatable at this moment.

2. Rafa is not injured so no excuses: a. BTW serving 25% is quite low. b. Clay's season still ahead, so Rafa is the #1 for a while.

3. Roger only lost to Nole.
 
Fed tanked to Nole to lull him into a false sense of security. Nadal, on the other hand, just collapsed under the pressure. Which may have been part of Fed's plan.

So now Fed has achieved this: Nole is affected by hubris (and his fall will be mighty) and Nadal is in tatters.
 
Nadals loss to Djokovic in Indian Wells says two things to me:


1. Nadal is a total mug on HC. :oops:

2. Nadal can only win 1 or 2 titles on HC per year. :oops:
 
Fiji said:
Nadals loss to Djokovic in Indian Wells says two things to me:

1. Nadal is a total mug on HC. :oops:

2. Nadal can only win 1 or 2 titles on HC per year. :oops:
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1. Mug? The guy is routinely the second or third best HC'er out there even though it's a unnatural surface for him. He regularly makes deep runs in HC tourneys and has won everything of note on HC except WTF(but he made a final there). Dude has made 10 HC masters finals(by comparison Novak, who has a more natural HC game, has just 9 HC masters finals, being one year younger than Nadal), has 2 HC slams(1 AO, 1 USO), won Olympics on fast HC.
I would say that outside of Fed and Djoker he has the best HC record out there as far as big HC titles go.

2. Yes, that's about the rate, but you have to remember that HC is not really friendly towards Nadal's game.
 
MixieP said:
Fed tanked to Nole to lull him into a false sense of security. Nadal, on the other hand, just collapsed under the pressure. Which may have been part of Fed's plan.

So now Fed has achieved this: Nole is affected by hubris (and his fall will be mighty) and Nadal is in tatters.
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Can't help but be impressed by Fed.
 
Jack Romeo said:
so does this mean we can forget about andy murray?
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No, Murray has some growing to do. He's a great talent, but they've always put too much pressure on him. Pressure he hasn't handled well, as seen by him major final showings. He'll be back with a vengeance, but this time it'll be on his own terms, and because he earned it.

I think these bitter losses will help him. Adversity makes us stronger. I look forward to his return.
 
All Nadal's loss to Djokovic says is "It is Business as usual in Tennis world".

It is not uncommon for players to go on a hot streak. Djokovic was in his familiar position as he was in 2008 (AO champ and IW champ though he lost at Dubai then)

Nadal is back to his familiar act of disappearing during early part of the year.

Federer is doing his thing

Murray back to losing ways and failing to provide explanations.

TW forum is still crowning GOATS left right and centre (Milos Raonic, Ryan Harrison, Djokovic, etc)

Business as usual.
 
Tennis_Monk said:
All Nadal's loss to Djokovic says is "It is Business as usual in Tennis world".

It is not uncommon for players to go on a hot streak. Djokovic was in his familiar position as he was in 2008 (AO champ and IW champ though he lost at Dubai then)

Nadal is back to his familiar act of disappearing during early part of the year.

Federer is doing his thing

Murray back to losing ways and failing to provide explanations.

TW forum is still crowning GOATS left right and centre (Milos Raonic, Ryan Harrison, Djokovic, etc)

Business as usual.
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Perfect post.
 
The trivia nitpicker in me demands that I chime into report fed has actually lost 6 matches since Wimbledon, not 4: twice to Murray (Toronto and shanghai), monfils at bercy, and thrice now to Joker. Just sayin.
 
jackson vile said:
Roger the only player that can be at the top of his game and at the bottom at the same time LOL
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What it is, is Roger has so much GAME, that even when he's only at about 70 percent of it, he's still kicking most people's asses, and that is what has been going on. In the early rounds he destroys these lesser men, then in the semis or finals, playing at his seventy percent or whatever, he's sometimes winning, sometimes losing. It's a testament to how damned good RF really is, but it's a shame he can't get that fifteen percent or twenty percent of movement or energy or confidence back, because if he could, he'd probably still be the dominant number one player. Roger definitely has lost some of his ability to move or his agility.. and I'm sure this affects his confidence. Even so, he's still near the top without being at his best game wise.
 
Tennis_Monk said:
All Nadal's loss to Djokovic says is "It is Business as usual in Tennis world".

It is not uncommon for players to go on a hot streak. Djokovic was in his familiar position as he was in 2008 (AO champ and IW champ though he lost at Dubai then)

Nadal is back to his familiar act of disappearing during early part of the year.

Federer is doing his thing

Murray back to losing ways and failing to provide explanations.

TW forum is still crowning GOATS left right and centre (Milos Raonic, Ryan Harrison, Djokovic, etc)
Business as usual.
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That's very true. Let's see, we had GOAT's Nalbandian, Soderling, Cilic, del Potro, in short, anyone who had a few good wins in a row.
 
NadalAgassi said:
Federer may have only lost to Djokovic but he hasnt beaten anyone of note either.
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Among the top 10 players, I can' think of anyone other than Djokovic who has beaten someone of note this year. And maybe Ferrer (beating Nadal the AO).
I can count 4 tournaments that most of the top players have played in this year. Djokovic has won three of them and Fed won the other.
 
The final showed Nadal needs to stop going for so much on his 1st serve. If he got just a few more 1st serves in he'd have beaten Djokovic. The final showed Nadal has the groundstrokes to beat Djokovic on any surface :)
 
TheTruth said:
It says two things to me, too.

Nadal did well to get to a Master's final after a long layoff.

Fed played well.

Novak's on fire.

del Potro looked good.

And all is good in the tennis world.
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Wonder of wonders, I agree with you, except that those were exactly five things, not two.:twisted:
 
QueenSeles said:
Titleless, mmm, like Nadal?
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Nadal won a doubles title in Doha :)

Nadal losses this year:

Davydenko in Doha SF,
Ferrer in AO QF(but Nadal was injured here from the second game and took time off after)
Djokovic in IW F.

Murray's losses this year:

Djoker in AO F,
Baghdatis in Rotterdam 1R(and got injured in wrist),
Donald Young in IW 2R,
Bogomolov in Miami 2R,

Basically, Murray hasn't won a set of tennis since AO SF :shock: all the way back in January. We are entering April.

Murray can't be compared with Nadal on anything remotely positive at this time in 2011.
 
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