Nadal's Multiple Majors on all Surfaces will never be repeated

[Pantera]

This achievement if Federer had it, would be claimed as the defining GOAT achievement. And rightly so.

As it is, Nadal is the only player to have won the biggest three majors at least twice, encompassing the three surfaces.

Rafa fans, is this the achievement that gives you the most satisfaction, or is it the fact he has locked down the French Open and ensured that post retirement it will be renamed the Rafael Nadal Open.

 

[reaper]

This achievement if Federer had it, would be claimed as the defining GOAT achievement. And rightly so.

As it is, Nadal is the only player to have won the biggest three majors at least twice, encompassing the three surfaces.

Rafa fans, is this the achievement that gives you the most satisfaction, or is it the fact he has locked down the French Open and ensured that post retirement it will be renamed the Rafael Nadal Open.

Winning 2 or more majors on the 3 surfaces will probably be repeated by 2030. Were it not for Nadal's unparalleled level on clay 3 players would have done it in the past 15 years.

 

[tennis_pro]

6 Slams outside of the FO, no WTF, 1 Slam outside of the FO in the last 6 years, 2 Slams outside of the FO in the last 9 years. Pray to your fake GOAT.

 

[Pantera]

6 Slams outside of the FO, no WTF, 1 Slam outside of the FO in the last 6 years, 2 Slams outside of the FO in the last 9 years. Pray to your fake GOAT.

I don't quite follow the discounting clay lol. However, playing by those rules, nadal still has the career of Becker and Edberg, both of whom top 8 of all time, add 12 FO's to their career, and you have the Greatest Player of all Time. Thank you for agreeing.

 

[tennis_pro]

I don't quite follow the discounting clay lol. However, playing by those rules, nadal still has the career of Becker and Edberg, both of whom top 8 of all time, add 12 FO's to their career, and you have the Greatest Player of all Time. Thank you for agreeing.

I would think that the greatest player of all time would win more than 1 AO, 2 Wimbledons (!!!), 3 US Opens, 0 WTFs. Federer has 5 or more titles in every Slam + WTF outside of the FO (and still has 5 finals there).

If Nadal had 18 Slams and all FO's you'd still think he would be the GOAT? This is basically what he's doing now but to a bigger extreme.

So keep praying to your FAKE GOAT, your typical clay courter.

 

[Gazelle]

This achievement means little as long as Nadal cannot win a second AO.

Imagine if there was only one HC slam say AO, (like there's only one Clay slam for Fedovic to win), Nadal would still be stuck at 1 HC slam.

Nadal makes his non-clay numbers look better because he's got far more tournaments, but they are rather average compared to his rivals.

 

[Russeljones]

This achievement if Federer had it, would be claimed as the defining GOAT achievement. And rightly so.

As it is, Nadal is the only player to have won the biggest three majors at least twice, encompassing the three surfaces.

Rafa fans, is this the achievement that gives you the most satisfaction, or is it the fact he has locked down the French Open and ensured that post retirement it will be renamed the Rafael Nadal Open.

One of the biggest beneficiaries of surface homogenization? Meaningless.

Borg's Channel Slam streak, however, that will remain unparalleled.

 

[NoleFam]

This will be easiest to repeat. It will be much easier to do this than to win 12 RGs, 8 Wimbledon's or 7 AOs.

 

[mahesh69a]

"Nadal's multiple majors on all surfaces will never be repeated"

... but the discussions about that will be repeated every 5 minutes apparently.

VB is more relentless than their god.

 

[EloQuent]

He's not the first to do it you know. He won't be the last.

 

[junior74]

If HC slams are regarded as "one surface", Federer is just one HC slam away from equaling the incredible clay dominance of Rafa.

Rafa has only 1 AO, like Federer and Djokovic have only 1 RG.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[natalia]

All surfaces?!?!?!?!?

 

[ollinger]

Dumb thread. Certain records will never be repeated because of fundamental changes in the sport. For example, Cy Young winning 511 games as a baseball pitcher will never be equaled because a century ago a pitcher could start a game almost every day sometimes, and even start two games in a single day, something we'll never see again. But nothing has changed all that much in tennis so as to prevent another player from winning multiple majors on all surfaces.

 

[TheIntrovert]

If HC slams are regarded as "one surface", Federer is just one HC slam away from equaling the incredible clay dominance of Rafa.

Rafa has only 1 AO, like Federer and Djokovic have only 1 RG.

You can't have it both ways.

Checkmate

 

[OldschoolKIaus]

19 > 6

It's that easy, no?

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Some of Nadal's stats will likely never be beaten but this isn't one of them. It's impressive though.

 

[tennis_pro]

OP, @Gazelle said it best. Federer only has 1 tournament to win an additional clay Slam. Nadal has 2 (AO and USO).

 

[Yugram]

This achievement means little as long as Nadal cannot win a second AO.

Imagine if there was only one HC slam say AO, (like there's only one Clay slam for Fedovic to win), Nadal would still be stuck at 1 HC slam.

Sure, let’s make USO clay again. A bit late, but still enough time to make it to 25 GS in about 3 years.

 

[Goof]

I'm a Nadal fan, but come on, there's still a chance Djokovic does this even.

 

[Goof]

He's not the first to do it you know. He won't be the last.

Just curious, and there is likely an easy answer to this, but: who else has done it on the men's side? I'm sure Laver would have if he had the opportunity, but I know he didn't, and I'm too lazy at the moment to look up others who might have.

 

[Breakpointerer]

No, it will be.

 

[EloQuent]

Just curious, and there is likely an easy answer to this, but: who else has done it on the men's side? I'm sure Laver would have if he had the opportunity, but I know he didn't, and I'm too lazy at the moment to look up others who might have.

Mats Vilander. Won FO thrice, USO (hard) once, and AO thrice: twice when it was grass, once when it was hard.

 

[Goof]

Mats Vilander. Won FO thrice, USO (hard) once, and AO thrice: twice when it was grass, once when it was hard.

Thanks. For some reason, Wilander did come to mind first but I wasn't sure when AO made the switch. Did Connors win any clay USO?

 

[Pantera]

I would think that the greatest player of all time would win more than 1 AO, 2 Wimbledons (!!!), 3 US Opens, 0 WTFs. Federer has 5 or more titles in every Slam + WTF outside of the FO (and still has 5 finals there).

If Nadal had 18 Slams and all FO's you'd still think he would be the GOAT? This is basically what he's doing now but to a bigger extreme.

So keep praying to your FAKE GOAT, your typical clay courter.

Many argued McEnroe was one of the top 3 ever..he had 7 majors in total. Nadal has the career of McEnroe off clay, hence why he has to be considered GOAT. Djokovic close behind, Federer has the problem not enough of his resume was achieved while Nadal and Djokovic were around.

 

[Pantera]

Mats Vilander. Won FO thrice, USO (hard) once, and AO thrice: twice when it was grass, once when it was hard.

AO back then was not a Major like today, the field was exceptionally weak, AO only became on a par with the other 3 around 10 years ago.

 

[EloQuent]

AO back then was not a Major like today, the field was exceptionally weak, AO only became on a par with the other 3 around 10 years ago.

10 years ago is rather convenient lol. Maybe 9 years? Yes, 9 years sounds good.

 

[Pantera]

10 years ago is rather convenient lol. Maybe 9 years? Yes, 9 years sounds good.

If you read the player auto biographies none of them pay as much attention to the AO as the other three.

The AO is my favourite Major, I go every year and its by far the best one spectator wise and is now on a par with the other 3, but it is only recently achieved such status

 

[tennis_pro]

Many argued McEnroe was one of the top 3 ever..he had 7 majors in total. Nadal has the career of McEnroe off clay, hence why he has to be considered GOAT. Djokovic close behind, Federer has the problem not enough of his resume was achieved while Nadal and Djokovic were around.

Yeah except:
1) there was no GS obsession in the 80s. It only began at the end of the Sampras era.
2) the AO was a minor tournament in the 80s, McEnroe would've won at least 2-3 more majors if he played there because it was on grass. The Tour Championships were bigger than the AO, Mac won that a bunch of times
3) many argued McEnroe was one of the best players ever based on his highest level (some still believe that his level in 1984 was the highest level ever in tennis), not based on his achievements

How can you crap on Federer for winning a lot of majors pre 2008 and then totally disregard the fact that Federer was 30 years old in a season where Djokovic was sitting on 1 Slam? Djokovic has won 12 out of his 15 Slams after Federer's 30th birthday, you're totally fine with that, Jessica?

 

[Goof]

Thanks. For some reason, Wilander did come to mind first but I wasn't sure when AO made the switch. Did Connors win any clay USO?

Connors' US Opens were 1 grass, 1 clay, 1 hard. Also: this Pantera guy is insane or trolling re AO. A Major is a Major.

 

[EloQuent]

Thanks. For some reason, Wilander did come to mind first but I wasn't sure when AO made the switch. Did Connors win any clay USO?

Connors has the distinction of winning the US Open on 3 surfaces. But he only won the USO on clay once, and never the FO. Of course, there were a lot of conflicts with the FO in those days so by Pantera's logic it doesn't count as a slam.

 

[Pantera]

Yeah except:
1) there was no GS obsession in the 80s. It only began at the end of the Sampras era.
2) the AO was a minor tournament in the 80s, McEnroe would've won at least 2-3 more majors if he played there because it was on grass. The Tour Championships were bigger than the AO, Mac won that a bunch of times
3) many argued McEnroe was one of the best players ever based on his highest level (some still believe that his level in 1984 was the highest level ever in tennis), not based on his achievements

How can you crap on Federer for winning a lot of majors pre 2008 and then totally disregard the fact that Federer was 30 years old in a season where Djokovic was sitting on 1 Slam? Djokovic has won 12 out of his 15 Slams after Federer's 30th birthday, you're totally fine with that, Jessica?

30 is not old in modern sport...look at Ronaldo, Messi and many others.

Coulda woulda shoulda...we will never know what McEnroe might have done, he is considered an ATG on achievements, which Nadal matches even without clay.

 

[Pantera]

Connors has the distinction of winning the US Open on 3 surfaces. But he only won the USO on clay once, and never the FO. Of course, there were a lot of conflicts with the FO in those days so by Pantera's logic it doesn't count as a slam.

Nadal wasn't playing in the 70s.....

 

[EloQuent]

Nadal wasn't playing in the 70s.....

Oh that's right, we only count slams Nadal played.

 

[tennis_pro]

30 is not old in modern sport...look at Ronaldo, Messi and many others.

Coulda woulda shoulda...we will never know what McEnroe might have done, he is considered an ATG on achievements, which Nadal matches even without clay.

Yeah a 30-year old Federer was definitely not at an age disadvantage against a 24-year old Djokovic in 2011.

Don't compare football to tennis, it's a different stratosphere. As a striker you can get on the field for 20 minutes score a goal, they send you off and you did your job. In tennis you need to win 3-4 hour matches in the heat all by yourself, no coaches, no player switching.

 

[Pantera]

Oh that's right, we only count slams Nadal played.

When measuring Nadal's career obviously...what else do you suggest? a hypothetical argument as to what Nadal might have done 30 years ago?

 

[Pantera]

Yeah a 30-year old Federer was definitely not at an age disadvantage against a 24-year old Djokovic in 2011.

Don't compare football to tennis, it's a different stratosphere. As a striker you can get on the field for 20 minutes score a goal, they send you off and you did your job. In tennis you need to win 3-4 hour matches in the heat all by yourself, no coaches, no player switching.

it is laughable to say 30 is old in professional sport when the evidence clearly proves that is not the case. As for your comments regarding football, are you saying Ronaldo and messi only play 20 mins per match?

 

[tennis_pro]

it is laughable to say 30 is old in professional sport when the evidence clearly proves that is not the case. As for your comments regarding football, are you saying Ronaldo and messi only play 20 mins per match?

FFS football isn't even an individual sport.

Compare it to table tennis, squash or some other individual sport that requires you to be in great physical shape for 3-4+ hours, then come back to me with a straight face and keep saying the same S you're telling me now.

 

[captainbryce]

This achievement if Federer had it, would be claimed as the defining GOAT achievement. And rightly so.

As it is, Nadal is the only player to have won the biggest three majors at least twice, encompassing the three surfaces.

Rafa fans, is this the achievement that gives you the most satisfaction, or is it the fact he has locked down the French Open and ensured that post retirement it will be renamed the Rafael Nadal Open.

It’s also a useless and extremely arbitrary distinction that means nothing considering there is no such distinction as the “biggest three majors”. They’re are four majors and they are all equally big! The only one you can even call “bigger” is Wimbledon because it’s the oldest. Nobody is going to remember or care about a statistic like that. What they care about is whether you’ve won all 4, or how dominant you were on 1. Nadal has won all 4, and was the most dominant on 1. And that’s what he’ll be most remembered for. Having said that, the same applies to Federer (to a lesser extent on grass). Whichever ends up with the most slams between the two (and Djokovic) is the GOAT.

 

[RNadal]

Nadal epic as usual.

 

[Russeljones]

Many argued McEnroe was one of the top 3 ever..he had 7 majors in total. Nadal has the career of McEnroe off clay, hence why he has to be considered GOAT. Djokovic close behind, Federer has the problem not enough of his resume was achieved while Nadal and Djokovic were around.

Delete your account and never come back.

 

[Enceladus]

AO back then was not a Major like today, the field was exceptionally weak, AO only became on a par with the other 3 around 10 years ago.

It is not true. AO achieved a comparable position with other GS tournaments in the late 1980s. Your allegation shows on the bitterness towards a tournament, which your favourite won only once.

 

[Benjamin Rio]

Many argued McEnroe was one of the top 3 ever..he had 7 majors in total. Nadal has the career of McEnroe off clay, hence why he has to be considered GOAT. Djokovic close behind, Federer has the problem not enough of his resume was achieved while Nadal and Djokovic were around.

According @Pantera tennis only started in 2008 when Nadal won Wimbledon. Anything before that never exiated.

 

[Enceladus]

This achievement means little as long as Nadal cannot win a second AO.

Imagine if there was only one HC slam say AO, (like there's only one Clay slam for Fedovic to win), Nadal would still be stuck at 1 HC slam.

Nadal makes his non-clay numbers look better because he's got far more tournaments, but they are rather average compared to his rivals.

Or if it existed a indoor major - Unlike Fedovic, Nadal would not have a complete career GS.
Djokovic and Federer are more versatile tennis players than Nadal.

 

[kevaninho]

Winning RG, Wimbledon and USO in 2010 will be very difficult for anyone to ever repeat.

He also has the 2013 where he won the US open series ( Canada, Cinci and the USO ). How many times has that been done?

Lets not claim Nadal is only a clay player. He may not be as consistent as other players off of clay, but when hes peaked on HCs , he is a match for anyone in any era.

 

[augustobt]

Nadal only peaks when he's winning or when he's healthy.

 

[Towser83]

He's still only won one Australian open. Thankfully he has the USO to bump up his HC numbers

And Wilander won at least 2 majors on all surfaces

Once Nadal is gone, there will be a good chance for someone to win every slam twice

 

[MichaelNadal]

Lol this thread should be called" Maestronians..... what bothers you about Nadal?"

 

[Towser83]

Winning RG, Wimbledon and USO in 2010 will be very difficult for anyone to ever repeat.

He also has the 2013 where he won the US open series ( Canada, Cinci and the USO ). How many times has that been done?

Lets not claim Nadal is only a clay player. He may not be as consistent as other players off of clay, but when hes peaked on HCs , he is a match for anyone in any era.

I know Roddick did the Canada-cincy-USO triple but not sure if anyone else did

Nadal can play on all surfaces there is no doubt

 

[NatF]

I know Roddick did the Canada-cincy-USO triple but not sure if anyone else did

Nadal can play on all surfaces there is no doubt

Rafter did it as well in 1998.

 

[Benjamin Rio]

rt

Winning RG, Wimbledon and USO in 2010 will be very difficult for anyone to ever repeat.

He also has the 2013 where he won the US open series ( Canada, Cinci and the USO ). How many times has that been done?

Lets not claim Nadal is only a clay player. He may not be as consistent as other players off of clay, but when hes peaked on HCs , he is a match for anyone in any era.

No way mate.

He won those US open's when his rivals were off.

2010 Novak and Fed were bad.
2013 Fed was terrible and Novak played a bad match against Nadal in that Us open final. That was the last set ever lost by Novak against Nadal on HC.
2017 The easiest draw ever.

In 2010 Nadal lost matches to players like Garcia Lopez...

The best season on tour are 2004 2005 2006 2011 2015.