Nadal's rigged draw is the hardest in the history of men's tennis

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
Since OP posted this a week ago:

Karatsev
Rublev
Sonego

have all gone down already. Sinner will be a difficult 4R match if he gets there... but come on. Same old story, people make wild claims and predictions and never have to pay any cost for being wrong
 

Amritia

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It’s actually even harder than I anticipated.

Because Diego Schwartzmann is back on top form; hasn’t dropped a set so far.
Playing like Rome 2020, and even if he doesn’t win the QF, a very tiring opponent.
 

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
It’s actually even harder than I anticipated.

Because Diego Schwartzmann is back on top form; hasn’t dropped a set so far.
Playing like Rome 2020, and even if he doesn’t win the QF, a very tiring opponent.

In which round Diego gonna face Nadal?
 

Amritia

Hall of Fame
Please ban OP. How many troll threads about Nadal's "tOuGh DrAwS" do we have to endure before the mods start cracking down on this absolute nonsense?
This is from a Federer fan on another thread:


Is Nadal going to face Diego in QF? Monfils is Out - hence Sinner most likely make it to 4R.

So Sinner - Diego - Djokovic is pretty tough route to final in my opinion.

Ban him too?
 
So far you are 0-2 track record in terms of predictions from what I’ve seen.
You need to get your first one right and maybe it will restore the faith of TTWers.
I only remember the Tennys - Djokovic prediction what was the other one?
I was going to do a post about Djokovic being thoroughly dismantled in RD2 which was accurate until Djoko broke back like 2 minutes ago
 

Amritia

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I only remember the Tennys - Djokovic prediction what was the other one?
I was going to do a post about Djokovic being thoroughly dismantled in RD2 which was accurate until Djoko broke back like 2 minutes ago
Well there we go, it’s 0-2 from those 2.
Next one is crucial, if you get 3 wrong in a row, you may never get a prediction right again.
 
I remember you saying you were going to post a legendary Gasquet-Nadal thread. Im waiting :)
I did a thread in the Match Results section, I don’t want to get a ban for trolling or “mega trolling”.:censored:
I did say however that Nadal has guns, but Gasquet has an entire army and that Rafa will be dispatched in 3 easy and minimalist sets”
He brought the gun with him, it just wasn’t loaded
 
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If Nadal beats Gasquet, he'll be playing Norrie for the 3rd time this year!
 
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It’s actually even harder than I anticipated.

Because Diego Schwartzmann is back on top form; hasn’t dropped a set so far.
Playing like Rome 2020, and even if he doesn’t win the QF, a very tiring opponent.
That's true.
Nadal beat Schwartzman 63 63 76(0) at 2020 RG, but it took 3hrs 9mins.
Still, its a bouncier surface this year, so Schwartzman might struggle more.
The main thing is that Nadal will get better preparation for the SF than Djokovic will (Berrettini and Federer are not as good at long rallies).
 
That's true.
Nadal beat Schwartzman 63 63 76(0) at 2020 RG, but it took 3hrs 9mins.
But its a bouncier surface this year, so Schwartzman might struggle more.

@Amritia

This board in general doesn't make fine-grained distinctions a lot, and this discussion is an example of that. I both like Schwartzman a lot and rate him highly. If he makes the quarter-finals - I wouldn't count Basilashvili out yet, by the way - then he is definitely a decent-to-good quarter-final opponent for Nadal and will test him thoroughly and make sure he is well prepared to play Djokovic in the semis.

That said, there's a lot of water between a decent-to-good quarter-final opponent and the toughest draw of all time.
 

Amritia

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@Amritia

This board in general doesn't make fine-grained distinctions a lot, and this discussion is an example of that. I both like Schwartzman a lot and rate him highly. If he makes the quarter-finals - I wouldn't count Basilashvili out yet, by the way - then he is definitely a decent-to-good quarter-final opponent for Nadal and will test him thoroughly and make sure he is well prepared to play Djokovic in the semis.

That said, there's a lot of water between a decent-to-good quarter-final opponent and the toughest draw of all time.
On your last sentence, I agree with you. My title was obviously slightly light hearted and hyperbolic.

However, Sinner is highly rated by many on TTW as the future of men’s tennis. R4 will be a chance for Sinner to show his credentials.
 
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It is funny (and very convenient for Nadal) that Nadal may play Schwartzman before playing Djokovic........because that is exactly what happened at last year's RG.
He's the perfect opponent for fine-tuning your groundstrokes.
And actually Nadal only won 5 of 25 points vs. Djokovic at Rome where the rally went beyond 9 shots.
Schwartzman can help Nadal's form in that area.
EDIT: Although I must say........Nadal admitted that he was holding back his forehand in the 2nd Set of that Rome Final and was going crosscourt when he could have down-the-line (probably went crosscourt to extend the rallies so Djokovic would get tired, except Djokovic didn't get tired)........so Nadal doesn't necessarily need to play that many long rallies vs. Djokovic.
 
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zvelf

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This "hardest draw in the history of men's tennis" is looking even easier than Djokovic's quarter now. Musetti, Berrettini, and even Federer are tougher match-ups for Djokovic than current Schwartzman is for Nadal.
 
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This "hardest draw in the history of men's tennis" is looking even easier than Djokovic's quarter now. Musetti, Berrettini, and even Federer are tougher match-ups for Djokovic than current Schwartzman is for Nadal.
Yeah it won't surprise me if Djokovic is eliminated before the SF, especially by Berrettini.
It would be tragic........because Nadal can tie the H2H at 29-29........and this is by far the easiest place to do it.
 

SonnyT

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What were Rafans thinking when they said his draw was so hard? Everybody else knew it was going to be very easy, until semi!
 
Unsubtle rigging from the RG authorities has struck again.

R4 Sinner will be even tougher. The youngster nearly beat Nadal in Rome a few weeks ago, and is getting better with every week.

QF Schwartzmann could see a repeat of Rome 2020 QF. A very tiring match.

SF Djokovic- Nadal is very unlikely to reach this stage. And if he does, he will be exhausted.

The only hope Nadal has is to play on the first day so he gets a 2 day gap between the QF and SF; but given it is rigged against him I think this is seriously unlikely to happen.
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On your last sentence, I agree with you. My title was obviously slightly light hearted and hyperbolic.

However, Sinner is highly rated by many on TTW as the future of men’s tennis. R4 will be a chance for Sinner to show his credentials.

Fair enough. Nothing wrong with a bit of hyperbole.

As for Sinner, my view is that he is good, but not Nadal good. I think he has already shown the potential to become Berdych good, and that he might be able to become Murray good, or perhaps a little bit better, but that he hasn't done anything to suggest he can be remotely on a par with Nadal (or Federer or Djokovic). Moreover, the courts favor Nadal against him. Sinner might well have a good chance were he to play Nadal in Paris Bercy, but far less chance at Roland Garros.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Since OP posted this a week ago:

Karatsev
Rublev
Sonego

have all gone down already. Sinner will be a difficult 4R match if he gets there... but come on. Same old story, people make wild claims and predictions and never have to pay any cost for being wrong
-Sinner
-Schwartzman
-Djokovic

Seems like a tough draw.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
This "hardest draw in the history of men's tennis" is looking even easier than Djokovic's quarter now. Musetti, Berrettini, and even Federer are tougher match-ups for Djokovic than current Schwartzman is for Nadal.
Current Schwaran hasn't lose a single set this RG edition, and so he is in great form and a tough rival.
 

zvelf

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Current Schwaran hasn't lose a single set this RG edition, and so he is in great form and a tough rival.

Schwartzman came into Roland Garros 6-6 on clay for the year. He beat #680 Lu (1-4 on the year) and #56 Bedene (13-11 this year), which is not all that meaningful. Schwartzman is 1-10 against Nadal. He is not a tough rival.
 

Druss

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It’s really amusing to read all those comments claiming how Sinner, a 19 year old who hasn’t even won a Masters title and just 2 ATP titles overall, is nowhere near top 10 (I’m sure he will be - but I’m talking about NOW), and hasn’t been beyond R2 at slams outside RG is considered as tough competition for the King of Clay.

Yet, Nadal of 2006/07 at 20 and 21 yrs of age, with numerous ATP titles, multiple Masters on different surfaces, 50-100+ weeks as the undisputed world No2, multiple slam final appearances on different surfaces and multiple slam champion, is considered ‘a baby’ and weak competition. Hmmm.
 
I don't know what is more laughable. That Shorty D. is always somehow in the Nadal's section of the draw, or that Bullzillions take Shorty to be historically a tough matchup/opponent for Nadal, with all that 1-10 H2H of his against Nadal. :-D:-D
 

aman92

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Sinner poses the biggest threat till the SF.. Not that I expect Nadal to lose to any of them but Sinner and Diego coukd potentially tire him out
 

Amritia

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I don't know what is more laughable. That Shorty D. is always somehow in the Nadal's section of the draw, or that Bullzillions take Shorty to be historically a tough matchup/opponent for Nadal, with all that 1-10 H2H of his against Nadal. :-D:-D
It's 1-1 if you look at their 2 most recent matches.
 

BauerAlmeida

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Sinner - Karatsev/Rublev - Djokovic - Thiem/Tsitsipas would have been a tough draw. But "hardest in history" and "rigged" are hilarious. And, obviously, his two potentially tough quarter-final rivals are out already. And don't be surprised if the finalist from the other side ISN'T Tsitsipas or Zverev (and Thiem already is out)
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Unsubtle rigging from the RG authorities has struck again.

R4 Sinner will be even tougher. The youngster nearly beat Nadal in Rome a few weeks ago, and is getting better with every week.

QF Schwartzmann could see a repeat of Rome 2020 QF. A very tiring match.

SF Djokovic- Nadal is very unlikely to reach this stage. And if he does, he will be exhausted.

The only hope Nadal has is to play on the first day so he gets a 2 day gap between the QF and SF; but given it is rigged against him I think this is seriously unlikely to happen.
Cam Norrie was the guy i most feared tbh. He has the tools to hurt Rafa. Annoying he was handpicked it seems to tire Rafa before The Sinner.
 
Oh I love these forums, I scroll down and see that Nadal has both the hardest draw of all time and another where it says he has a cakewalk draw playing Italian pizza boys :laughing:
 
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