Nadal's success at the US Open feels even more astonishing now

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Oh really...

2019 1st serve = 64% ... 2021 = 58%
2019 Aces = 14 ... 2021 = 16
2019 DF = 4 ... 2021 = 9
2019 W/UE ratio = 75/51 ... 2021 = 38/31

Yeah in your fantasy land it's obvious... in reality it isn't so obvious. He served better in 2019 final and had a better ground game.

The main difference was the level of the opponent... That's what should be obvious given the well known fact that Nadal is a better US Open player than Djokovic..
Absolutely no mercy!

you are destroying the Nadal haters!
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
*snigger* Going by W-UE 2003 F Roddick trumps any Nadal at the USO. Clearly there's more to it than that, which you would easily acknowledge if you didn't choose to be a stubborn mule for no good reason.
I'll grant Medvedev raised his game to an extent mid-3rd set but it's too late in a slam final (and Nadal would've won the fifth set 6-2 anyway if not for a mini-choking episode). At the same time, he never approached the crazy serving of the first set in 2021; if Medvedev serves like that in 2019 he wins the first set (given that Nadal also played a poor game to drop serve early) and then it's a different mental game too. There is a thing called quality of serve or else Nadal would be the best Big 3 server with his superior percentage.
Watch yourself hater!

Don't think you words go ignored because you place a star in front and back.

Djokovic lost and Trump lost, deal with it!
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
The holy cause of claiming Nadal has the highest level, of course. That's what everything boils down to sooner or later.

The basic observation is that, in the 2021 final, one, Medvedev was placing his serves better , particularly in the first set where he kept hitting the corners and lines (one of the highest serving performances even with 65% because he was hitting most seconds extra hard too), and two, he was significantly more disciplined in terms of not making quick UEs, again particularly on his own serve (besides the first attempt to serve it out, thank the crowd). Nadal would have to rally even more, testing his old legs. He may still pull a rabbit out of his hat, given the matchup, but I wouldn't be so sure lol.
Well sure... if you think Djokovic was playing at a higher level yesterday than Nadal was in 2019... go ahead and believe that...

You don't think Novak's low intensity had anything to do with Meddy's confidence in going for his serves and making fewer errors? Come on... surely you've played this sport before at some competition level to know these things...

Like I said... you're in fantasy land.
 
Well sure... if you think Djokovic was playing at a higher level yesterday than Nadal was in 2019... go ahead and believe that...

You don't think Novak's low intensity had anything to do with Meddy's confidence in going for his serves and making fewer errors? Come on... surely you've played this sport before at some competition level to know these things...

Like I said... you're in fantasy land.
Works both ways, dear. Of course, you're hellbent on Nadal's level of play being the decisive factor on any occasion and in any comparison. Go ahead and believe Medvedev's extreme serving had nothing to do with Djokovic's perceived intensity in the first set. Joe's level clearly dropped after he missed 5 BPs in set 2 and started spraying.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I know exactly what it means...

You have done it for Roddick, Agassi, Hewett etc..

Maybe this is why you're so angry... you're always here... I'd advise you to take a few more breaks from this place, but since you wasted so many years worshipping the Federina I can understand you need to stick around here to console each other for your losses as you watch Novak eclipse nearly every one of his important records...
You're just proving you don't know what it means here guy lol. How embarrassing.

Pot calling the kettle black on the anger front too lol.
 

aldeayeah

Legend
Works both ways, dear. Of course, you're hellbent on Nadal's level of play being the decisive factor on any occasion and in any comparison. Go ahead and believe Medvedev's extreme serving had nothing to do with Djokovic's perceived intensity in the first set. Joe's level clearly dropped after he missed 5 BPs in set 2 and started spraying.
2021 surface was considerably faster than 2019 too.

I don't think there's a big gap between those two performances, just two factors:

- Med matches up better against Djoko than against Nadal
- Djoko sucked @SS this year lol

2021 USO final was pretty much the extended version of 2020 WTF Medovic. Big serving, bunch of nothingballs down the middle punctuated by hard slaps to the sidelines, Djokovic eventually checks out.
 

BringBackSV

Hall of Fame
Not all slam titles are created equally. Djoker has faced some monsters at the USO and it’s shocking that he only has 3 titles there. He’s been a bit unlucky. He had face Federer 6 times there.

Wins vs top 10 at the USO:

Lendl 19
Federer 16
Sampras 16
Djoker 14
Mcenroe 13
Connors 7
Nadal 7
Most of the top ten sucks, that stat is trash.
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
Nadal has two of the best Open victories of all time: 2013 and 2019. Epic stuff.
In 2013, Djokovic was straight-setted by Murray at Wimbledon, so he wasn't at his best.

Medvedev improved massively in 2 years. Remember Djokovic was destroyed by Nadal at '20 RG, but came back to beat Nadal 9 months later at '21 RG. So Djokovic was destroyed by Medvedev at '21 USO. Don't be surprised if he comes back and beats Med 5 months later at '22 AO.
 

Turning Pro

Hall of Fame
More astonishing maybe is Nadal is 4-1 in Us open finals and Djokovic is 3-6 ;) (Djokovic is the alleged hard court GOAT)

Edit. I remember a lot of people from the forum in 04-08 era who said Nadal would NEVER win a hard court slam.
 
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