Nadals time violations between points

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Centre Court

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Just listening to the commentary on Nadals match right now as he is playing Haase and Mark Petchey is saying Nadal is taking too long between points played, so John Inverdale timed him and he is averaging around 40 seconds in between points. The time allowed is 20 so I believe. I like Nadal but shouldn't umpires be warning him for this ?
 
Averaging around 40 seconds? Not sure about that, that's very high even for Nadal's standards.

He does get occasional warnings but they are not happening often enough for him to stop the rituals for good.
 
I don't believe the slams have a time limit. That's only on atp tourneys but someone can correct me if wrong.
 
TheAssassin said:
Averaging around 40 seconds? Not sure about that, that's very high even for Nadal's standards.

He does get occasional warnings but they are not happening often enough for him to stop the rituals for good.
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Well when he's on clay he seems to do all his rituals as normal but he also spends extra time cleaning the clay off the lines, not to mention taking extra time with the towel, it must be at least mid 30 seconds
 
MasturB said:
I don't believe the slams have a time limit. That's only on atp tourneys but someone can correct me if wrong.
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It's 20 seconds at majors. Gilbert was timing Nadal in round 1 and he was taking 28-32 seconds between points. 40 seconds would be unreal even for time wasting Nadal.
 
Centre Court said:
Well when he's on clay he seems to do all his rituals as normal but he also spends extra time cleaning the clay off the lines, not to mention taking extra time with the towel, it must be at least mid 30 seconds
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@MasturB
It's up to the umpires to upheld the rules. The wording doesn't leave much wiggle room, but the average of most pros' is 20+ seconds.
I thin a strict 25 seconds rule would be perfect.

ITF Rule Book:
29. CONTINUOUS PLAY As a principle, play should be continuous, from the time the match starts (when the first service of the match is put in play) until the match finishes. a. Between points, a maximum of twenty (20) seconds is allowed. When the players change ends at the end of a game, a maximum of ninety (90) seconds are allowed. However, after the first game of each set and during a tie-break game, play shall be continuous and the players shall change ends without a rest. At the end of each set there shall be a set break of a maximum of one hundred and twenty (120) seconds. The maximum time starts from the moment that one point finishes until the first service is struck for the next point. Event organisers may apply for ITF approval to extend the ninety (90) seconds allowed when the players change ends at the end of a game and the one hundred and twenty (120) seconds allowed at a set break. b. If, for reasons outside the player’s control, clothing, footwear or necessary equipment (excluding the racket) is broken or needs to be replaced, the player may be allowed reasonable extra time to rectify the problem. c. No extra time shall be given to allow a player to recover condition. However, a player suffering from a treatable medical condition may be allowed one medical time-out of three minutes for the treatment of that medical condition. A limited number of toilet/change of attire breaks may also be allowed, if this is announced in advance of the event. d. Event organisers may allow a rest period of a maximum of ten (10) minutes if this is announced in advance of the event. This rest period can be taken after the 3rd set in a best of 5 sets match, or after the 2nd set in a best of 3 sets match. e. The warm-up time shall be a maxim
BeatlesFan said:
It's 20 seconds at majors. Gilbert was timing Nadal in round 1 and he was taking 28-32 seconds between points. 40 seconds would be unreal even for time wasting Nadal.
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40 seconds is reserved for when he's down BP or 0-30 ;), it's not his average, which is more like 30-32 seconds
 
Centre Court said:
Just listening to the commentary on Nadals match right now as he is playing Haase and Mark Petchey is saying Nadal is taking too long between points played, so John Inverdale timed him and he is averaging around 40 seconds in between points. The time allowed is 20 so I believe. I like Nadal but shouldn't umpires be warning him for this ?
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They often do at the most inappropriate time. However the people running the game don't protect the umpires against the players-especially the top names. Fines aren't going to worry him anyway, neither are lost points or even a lost game against guys like this. Only way to stop this is to start hitting them where it hurts-docking them ranking points or docking them a set for consistent time-wasting.
 
Centre Court said:
Apparently it says it's 20 seconds for all majors but I think the umpire can over rule it for example if it's a long point played
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Nope.. the rules have for decades now said clearly that no extra time is to be given to "recover condition"
 
Found the exact rule:
From X; c:
"No extra time shall be given to allow a player to recover condition. However,
a player suff ering from a treatable medical condition may be allowed one
medical time-out of three minutes for the treatment of that medical condition."
 
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again, you haters need to realize when a point officially ends!

its not when a point is won or lost, but after the umpire calls the point/score.

at least that is how it is practiced!
 
DRII said:
again, you haters need to realize when a point officially ends!

its not when a point is won or lost, but after the umpire calls the point/score.

at least that is how it is practiced!
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So you're saying that commentators, many of whom are ex-pros themselves, don't know when a point officially ends?
 
pame said:
So you're saying that commentators, many of whom are ex-pros themselves, don't know when a point officially ends?
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nope, they don't. some don't. they're just being media whores...

it was Cahill or Gilbert, I think, that I first heard say that (about the point officially ending after the umpire calls the score). otherwise almost every player would be breaking that rule.
 
DRII said:
nope, they don't. some don't. they're just being media whores...

it was Cahill or Gilbert, I think, that I first heard say that (about the point officially ending after the umpire calls the score). otherwise almost every player would be breaking that rule.
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So if they're being media whores, what are you being? Just askin'
 
Centre Court said:
Just listening to the commentary on Nadals match right now as he is playing Haase and Mark Petchey is saying Nadal is taking too long between points played, so John Inverdale timed him and he is averaging around 40 seconds in between points. The time allowed is 20 so I believe. I like Nadal but shouldn't umpires be warning him for this ?
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Oh so that's who the English commie who couldn't shut up about everything Nadal does that he doesn't like--whining about the towels the bottles the clearing of the line etc. etc.
That's what Nadal does, has always done. The commie should have been whining about the ump not giving him a time violation, not Nadal. They pulled tha6t commie 3rd set.
He struck me as totally unprofessional and disrespectful.
Yes! give Nadal the violation, but it's not the commie's job to go on and on about Nadal's court rituals.
 
pame said:
So if they're being media whores, what are you being? Just askin'
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if you're going to ask, ask coherently.

these 'commentators' who bring up this time issue ever since Nadal and Djokovic's match in Australia (forgot the year, might have been the 2012 final) are being media whores, ie just bringing it up to get attention (views and clicks).

it is up to the umpires to enforce the rules, not commentators or forum members.
 
Djokovic was averaging 25 seconds in the 2nd round match. I thought Rafa was quicker between points in their respective matches. I could be wrong. Does anyone have the stats?
Sousa averaged 22 seconds and I don't think he is slow between points.
 
They should amend the rule and make it between 20-30 seconds and leave it up the the umpire to decide if the server needs the extra 10 seconds due to a long point or if the server's rituals are getting out of hand.
 
One of the big reasons I don't watch as much as I used to. They all do it but he is the worst. And the 8373928372 ball bounces of joker. Some of us own houses. And if I spent my time waiting for these folks to play it would fall apart. I miss the days of agassi playing like he was on speed.
 
I was also watching the match and Nadal was around 40 seconds on 2 points in the same game when the commentators (and me) were counting and upwards of 45+ seconds on other occasions. Its a joke. I don't like that umpires punish players who go over it slightly on occasion yet Nadal can gleefully get away with it 90% of the time. They should abolish the rule or actually punish Nadal for it consistently.

Haase for comparison today was averaging around 18 seconds between points. If i remember correctly. the rule is 20 for slams and 25 for other places. I think 20 is too short personally but 25 is a good average. No player needs longer than that unless it was a really tough point, but even then the rules state that no exception should be made to help a players condition. 40seconds or more is a disgrace and the rule failing to get implemented seriously is even more so.
 
D.Nalby12 said:
Whatever may be average, but he is over 20 seconds 70% of serves. Biggest cheater on tour.
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Lol he's over it 95% of serves, but so is a huge portion of the Tour. Most of the top guys average over 20 seconds. 40 seconds is stupid but the rule shouldn't be 20 if just about every player breaks it.
 
It's wild that this topic still gets fresh threads. Career of abusing the rules, and gets a pass because of the trophies (acquired via unsporting play, in many cases).
 
4-string said:
Nadal's time wasting is annoying, but I'd rather watch that than this:

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Getting more desperate every day it seems. [emoji849]
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And you (once again) took some of your time to find and display something from Novak that you consider desperate.

Obsession alert.
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Chadillac said:
If nadal didnt get TUE's and had to play within the 20 sec window, he would have 0 grand slams. Its the only reason his style works.
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as usual, fedephants and Nadal haters live in their own fantasy world.

I suggest, as I usually do, when Nadal and 'cheating' is mentioned; google Federer peds (2017) and Nadal peds (2017) and see which has the greater number of results.

here's a clue, it isn't Nadal!
 
DRII said:
as usual, fedephants and Nadal haters live in their own fantasy world.

I suggest, as I usually do, when Nadal and 'cheating' is mentioned; google Federer peds (2017) and Nadal peds (2017) and see which has the greater number of results.

here's a clue, it isn't Nadal!
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Care to link one that is valid? We have the documents for nadal, there is nothing on fed.
 
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