Nalbandian On Big 3: Don't Wait For Retirement, Beat Them Now!

sredna42

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David is spot on, the younger players have to start believing, not just in themselves, but in their right to win. They should be p*ssed off that they are losing to players who are verging upon retirement. They go on court expecting to lose, and count it as a great achievement to lose in straight 4's. I was hoping Rublev might be angry enough to take that incensed belief in their right to win onto the court, but he's proving to be a 1d nadal whipping boy.

Kecmanovic is very lucky to get Nalbandian to coach him, I'd love to see if the Flawed God would help coach Sinner and turn him into the next elite player

edit: wrong word
 
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PETEhammer

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Sorry but playing Nadal and Nole in 07 isn't quite the same as playing them after. Or beating Anklerer in 05
 
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BeatlesFan

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The younger players have to start believing, not just in themselves, but in their right to win. They should be p*ssed off that they are losing to players who are verging upon retirement. They go on court expecting to win.
None are capable of behaving or thinking this way, not even Thiem who is 27. They're all narcissists (except Med), obsessed with their brand on social media, amassing fortunes and doing nothing of consequence in the business end of slams.

Ask yourself, why is someone like Shapavalov rapping and being on social media constantly instead of working his ass off with Youzhny to improve his point construction and net skills? They prefer adulation on social media to actual results in big tournaments.

Sampras went years without even a girlfriend because he was single-minded in his pursuit of excellence. Someone like Zverev is more interested in posting pictures of himself lifting weights on Instagram than improving his game and mentality. That's the crux of the issue. Lendl addressed this in 2016, saying, "these young players are just on their phones all the time, it's a big reason they're not stepping up to the plate. Throw the phone away and get down to working, working, working."
 
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clout

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None are capable of behaving or thinking this way, not even Thiem who is 27. They're all narcissists (except Med), obsessed with their brand on social media, amassing fortunes and doing nothing of consequence in the business end of slams. Ask yourself, why is someone like Shapavalov rapping and being on social media constantly instead of working his ass off with Youzhny to improve his point construction and net skills? They prefer adulation on social media to actual results in big tournaments.

Sampras went years without even a girlfriend because he was single-minded in his pursuit of excellence. Someone like Zverev is more interested in posting pictures of himself lifting weights on Instagram than improving his game and mentality. That's the crux of the issue. Lendl addressed this in 2016, saying, "these young players are just on their phones all the time, it's a big reason they're not stepping up to the plate. Throw the phone away and get down to working, working, working."
Thing is, tennis has become such a lucrative sport once you've reached a certain level that they aren't going to go hungry if they don't win slams. This isn't the 1960s anymore where tennis was a night time side hustle to players who all held 9-5 jobs during the day and if you didn't win, you made next to nothing. Every player in the top 50-100 is retiring a multi-millionaire in their 30s, if they win some tournaments that's a big bonus.

Love him or hate him, someone like Bernard Tomic can buy anything he wants in his 20s while barely achieving anything of notice on tour.
 

clout

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Also, tennis might be the biggest monopoly among any major sport besides maybe boxing because there is only one winner at the end of each tournament and you're directly affecting the result of your opponents.

So in a full season, all of the big tournaments will mostly be won by 2-3 of the same guys over and over again until someone either raises their level to become an elite or a new elite rises.

I used this analogy in another thread, but in basketball terms for example, the next-gen guys would have already reached superstar status in the NBA by being ranked among the top 5-7 players in the world regularly. They'd be the mega-stars of their franchise, be mentioned in MVP convos, be among the first chosen for an all-star game, and someone like Thiem would've been on the first-team equivalent for a few years now. But because in tennis a lot of them can't get by the top 3 to win the majors, people view them as non-stars which is pretty ridiculous tbh
 

Red Rick

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Thing is, tennis has become such a lucrative sport once you've reached a certain level that they aren't going to go hungry if they don't win slams. This isn't the 1960s anymore where tennis was a night time side hustle to players who all held 9-5 jobs during the day and if you didn't win, you made next to nothing. Every player in the top 50-100 is retiring a multi-millionaire in their 30s, if they win some tournaments that's a big bonus.

Love him or hate him, someone like Bernard Tomic can buy anything he wants in his 20s while barely achieving anything of notice on tour.
I don't know but I think they also become really jaded because they enter the Tour with skewed expectations based on how fast youngsters used to break through and win ****. Then they enter the Tour, see how ****ing good the Big 3 actually are, and once it starts to look near impossible then complacency sets in.

And they are simply not that good in the first place. I refuse to just blame cell phones and high prize moneyz. It doesn't explain why all the Simons and Feliciano Lopez' have hung on for so goddamn long, there's just been a dearth of youngsters to replace them.
 

Red Rick

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Also, tennis might be the biggest monopoly among any major sport besides maybe boxing because there is only one winner at the end of each tournament and you're directly affecting the result of your opponents.

So in a full season, all of the big tournaments will mostly be won by 2-3 of the same guys over and over again until someone either raises their level to become an elite or a new elite rises.

I used this analogy in another thread, but in basketball terms for example, the next-gen guys would have already reached superstar status in the NBA by being ranked among the top 5-7 players in the world regularly. They'd be the mega-stars of their franchise, be mentioned in MVP convos and be among the first chosen for an all-star game. But because in tennis a lot of them can't get by the top 3 to win the majors, people view them as non-stars which is pretty ridiculous tbh
That's a fair point, but at the same time the domination we've seen from the Big 3 is so unprecedented I have a hard time believing any of these young lads would even break into the top 10 10 years ago
 

Robert F

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David is spot on, the younger players have to start believing, not just in themselves, but in their right to win. They should be p*ssed off that they are losing to players who are verging upon retirement. They go on court expecting to lose, and count it as a great achievement to lose in straight 4's. I was hoping Rublev might be angry enough to take that incensed belief in their right to win onto the court, but he's proving to be a 1d nadal whipping boy.

Kecmanovic is very lucky to get Nalbandian to coach him, I'd love to see if the Flawed God would help coach Sinner and turn him into the next elite player

edit: wrong word
Kyrgios seems to bring the anger/drive when he faces the big 3, but he struggles to bring it against guys he should own. Hence, he doesn't get to see the big 3 that often.
 

zvelf

Professional
People love to trash today's younger players, but Thiem (47.1%) and Zverev (36.4%) actually have a superior win percentage against the Big Three than Naldbandian had (35.5%). Tsitsipas is just slightly lower at 33.3%. Should Medvedev reach the Rotterdam final, he'll also become the first person not in the Big Three to reach #2 in the ranking since Hewitt in 2005!
 

Mainad

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People love to trash today's younger players, but Thiem (47.1%) and Zverev (36.4%) actually have a superior win percentage against the Big Three than Naldbandian had (35.5%). Tsitsipas is just slightly lower at 33.3%. Should Medvedev reach the Rotterdam final, he'll also become the first person not in the Big Three to reach #2 in the ranking since Hewitt in 2005!
Not so. Murray reached the #2 ranking for the first time in August 2009.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
People love to trash today's younger players, but Thiem (47.1%) and Zverev (36.4%) actually have a superior win percentage against the Big Three than Naldbandian had (35.5%). Tsitsipas is just slightly lower at 33.3%. Should Medvedev reach the Rotterdam final, he'll also become the first person not in the Big Three to reach #2 in the ranking since Hewitt in 2005!
Nalby didn’t play them on the wrong side of 30
 

Clay lover

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An old and washed up donut lover more qualified to talking about beating the big three than the new gen 10 years younger than they are. Nalby was even past his prime when he beat Djokodal. Sad.
 

Krish872007

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So? They were still the top 3 (Djokovic was the recent USO finalist, and Nadal had been No 2 for about 2.5 years).
And before we forget, Djokovic had already emerged as an extremely strong contender in early 2007.
Performance in some key tournaments:
Indian Wells - Runner Up
Miami - Winner
Rome - QF (lost to Nadal)
French Open - SF (lost to Nadal)
Wimbledon - SF (after fighting through several tough matches)
Montreal - Winner (beating the top 3 in the world back-to-back-to-back)
US Open - Final
 

duaneeo

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People love to trash today's younger players, but Thiem (47.1%) and Zverev (36.4%) actually have a superior win percentage against the Big Three than Naldbandian had (35.5%). Tsitsipas is just slightly lower at 33.3%.
So because of this, today's younger players don't deserve to be trashed?
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Nadal was a clay courter back then and Novak and Murray were kids . I don't remember much about Nalbandian but tell me how many times Nalbandian beat these kids in slams back then ??

Thiem is trolled alot by TTW members but I want to see the results of Nalbandian and Thiem in slams .
 

Tennis_Hands

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Nadal was a clay courter back then and Novak and Murray were kids . I don't remember much about Nalbandian but tell me how many times Nalbandian beat these kids in slams back then ??

Thiem is trolled alot by TTW members but I want to see the results of Nalbandian and Thiem in slams .
"Clay courter" with Wimbledon finals, and M1000 HC Masters, hehe.

:cool:
 

daphne

Professional
None are capable of behaving or thinking this way, not even Thiem who is 27. They're all narcissists (except Med), obsessed with their brand on social media, amassing fortunes and doing nothing of consequence in the business end of slams. Ask yourself, why is someone like Shapavalov rapping and being on social media constantly instead of working his ass off with Youzhny to improve his point construction and net skills? They prefer adulation on social media to actual results in big tournaments.

Sampras went years without even a girlfriend because he was single-minded in his pursuit of excellence. Someone like Zverev is more interested in posting pictures of himself lifting weights on Instagram than improving his game and mentality. That's the crux of the issue. Lendl addressed this in 2016, saying, "these young players are just on their phones all the time, it's a big reason they're not stepping up to the plate. Throw the phone away and get down to working, working, working."
And what else have you been expecting from the generation born post 1990? I look at my sons and do not need to look any further. The guy ran 10.47 in 100m at the age of 18 and decided to pursue a different career because it was too damn hard to bust the chops for a sub-10 sec performance! The computer/mobile phone generation is soft, self-centred and existentially worry free to do anything that requires a sacrifice! The whole society is stuffed.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Nalbandian could certainly teach the next-genies a thing or two about ballstriking and court sense but I do think he's overall overrated as a player, he didn't have a real weapon in his game IMO.
 

mike danny

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Nadal was a clay courter back then and Novak and Murray were kids . I don't remember much about Nalbandian but tell me how many times Nalbandian beat these kids in slams back then ??

Thiem is trolled alot by TTW members but I want to see the results of Nalbandian and Thiem in slams .
Again with this BS :rolleyes:
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Nalbandian could certainly teach the next-genies a thing or two about ballstriking and court sense but I do think he's overall overrated as a player, he didn't have a real weapon in his game IMO.
He was a very good player back in his day, but he wouldn't have become a main rival of Fed's like others have said.
 
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