Naomi Osaka IS women's tennis

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Jason Swerve

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Any case, if we're going by the numbers, it's Serena who's technically still women's tennis. She's still a bigger pull than Osaka as of the last grand slam.

Er, or she was before Osaka decided to go ahead and spotlight herself in the name of 'not talking to people'. This might actually let her pass Serena's draw power, but we'll have to wait and see.

Would she draw more than Serena, Hingis, Venus, Kournikova in their heydays? Per my thread, hell no. But she might not even be concerned with pulling such numbers if she's playing the game I'm suspecting she's playing.
 

BeatlesFan

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Wonder when last time was a pro tennis player was in seventeen mag.
Fab headlines too:

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MichaelNadal

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Would be a nice one, I think Iga disagrees with Naomi about press conferences

Their next match should be interesting

It's not gonna be Serena-Sharapova thing as they're pretty much friend. (Iga is one of tennis players that Naomi follows and she also in the live Instagram that Naomi did)
 

randomtoss

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Think what you will, there were articles about this in every major written media, which is pretty surprising when you know tennis is not a very popular topic for general media.

Had Iga made this declaration, no media would have given a duck (I love Iga, but this is not what this thread is about).
 
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The fact that this has had so many threads show how popular Osaka is for the sport. Loved or hated, it's still attention. And my word is she getting attention.

This is Naomi's era. Serena still being around means we don't really acknowledge it.
 

dkmura

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The fact that this has had so many threads show how popular Osaka is for the sport. Loved or hated, it's still attention. And my word is she getting attention.
Fair point- but if it were any one of the top players (like Serena or Barty) making the same controversial statement, it'd be getting attention. Ironically, Osaka's insistence that she won't do press conferences has resulted in MORE press and difficult questions to answer when she gets there. And she'll still be answering those SAME questions in the future.
 
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Aussie Darcy

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Fair point- but if it were any one of the top players (like Serena or Barty) making the same controversial statement, it'd be getting attention. Ironically, Osaka's insistence that she won't press conferences has resulted in MORE press and difficult questions to answer when she gets there. She'll still be answering those SAME questions in the future.
Oh I agree 100%. She shot herself in the foot. Would've been easier for her if she said oh i haven't been feeling well post match to do press conferences. Citing mental health and then having your sister say its cause journos point out your poor clay form has undermined her. But the point still stands that she's gotten more attention for women's tennis this week than anyone has in many years.
 
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AM75

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So Naomi was fined for 15 k yesterday. Wouldn't it be more productive and nicer if "woke", "socially conscious" BLM-supporter Naomi attend the presser and gave those 15 k to some charity that supports people with mental health issues? Just saying...
 

Bartelby

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... thanks Donald ... just saying ...

So Naomi was fined for 15 k yesterday. Wouldn't it be more productive and nicer if "woke", "socially conscious" BLM-supporter Naomi attend the presser and gave those 15 k to some charity that supports people with mental health issues? Just saying...
 

Aussie Darcy

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So Naomi was fined for 15 k yesterday. Wouldn't it be more productive and nicer if "woke", "socially conscious" BLM-supporter Naomi attend the presser and gave those 15 k to some charity that supports people with mental health issues? Just saying...
Osaka already said she hopes her fines go to mental health charities.

Osaka similarly concluded by hoping that her money would be sent to a mental health charity.

irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/naomi-osaka-will-not-speak-to-french-open-press-due-to-mental-health-impact-1.4576745
 

AM75

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Osaka already said she hopes her fines go to mental health charities.



irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/naomi-osaka-will-not-speak-to-french-open-press-due-to-mental-health-impact-1.4576745
Why wait till ITF will do it? She should start a charity herself and donate her millions to it.
 

dkmura

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Here's a great summary from Steve Tignor of Tennis.com: "Hopefully, Osaka will tell us more soon. The most unfortunate aspect of the situation right now is that we’ve not getting to hear from her. Despite her relative shyness, she’s great at the press conferences she apparently doesn’t like to do—honest, thoughtful, never rote. We’ll see if not doing them helps her play better over the next two weeks. The good news after day one is that we still get to see this four-time Slam champ let her racquet do the talking."

My question is it mental health or mental toughness we're talking about here? Osaka has shown good mental toughness on-court, but is her off-court psyche that fragile? Reminds me of BJK's famous quote: "Pressure is a privilege".
 

Lleytonstation

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The fact that this has had so many threads show how popular Osaka is for the sport. Loved or hated, it's still attention. And my word is she getting attention.
NK of tennis? Is this good? Gaining attention for three wrong reasons.

Problem is there is not one player that I have seen that will join her cause.
 

Raul_SJ

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My question is it mental health or mental toughness we're talking about here? Osaka has shown good mental toughness on-court, but is her off-court psyche that fragile? Reminds me of BJK's famous quote: "Pressure is a privilege".

She just does not want the minor inconvenience of doing a routine 15 minute press conference. The questions are innocuous and mundane. And the media absolutely fawns over her.

So, how to get out of it?

She lies and frames it as a "mental health abuse" issue wherein the media is out to attack her at every press conference she has ever done. Yes, those are her exact words.

But that is clearly false as she has literally fielded a thousand questions at these uneventful pressers and she cannot cite even a few examples of "abusive" questioning. It should be very easy to do since she claims that she is under attack by the media at every press conference. Very odd.

All the while, throwing the good journalists and the people with true mental problems all under the bus.

She is selfish. A Diva. A liar. She is a disgrace.
 
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So Naomi was fined for 15 k yesterday. Wouldn't it be more productive and nicer if "woke", "socially conscious" BLM-supporter Naomi attend the presser and gave those 15 k to some charity that supports people with mental health issues? Just saying...

No lol, it would completely missing the point. She said she wants to work with governing body after the tournament and nothing personal against RG. But RG escalate this quickly by issue 'Default' might happens for subsequent non attendance also with all Grandslams director. So idk what will happened now.
 
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Not at all. Her current accomplishments on and off the court pale in comparison to the Williams sisters, who have been synonymous with women’s tennis for the past 20 years.

Yes, but they have been playing since the mid 90s. They are more or less irrelevant compared to Osaka. Serena's last slam win was back in 2017. Osaka is 23 and won a slam this year. Her fourth.
 
People who talk to people are increasingly avoiding journalistic mediators, and with good reason.

No wonder, considering the prevalent partisan polarization in an attitude-journalistic media environment. Well then, let's just play it safe by having people talk solely to other people who share the exact same (world) view.
 

upchuck

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Naomi is women's tennis because her media boycott is making a lot of news? Are you suggesting that if Serena boycotted the media in a similar way it wouldn't get equally, if not greater, attention? Because if so you would clearly be wrong.
 
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No wonder, considering the prevalent partisan polarization in an attitude-journalistic media environment. Well then, let's just play it safe by having people talk solely to other people who share the exact same (world) view.

Why not play it safe? Is the polarization achieving much?
 
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Naomi is women's tennis because her media boycott is making a lot of news? Are you suggesting that if Serena boycotted the media in a similar way it wouldn't get equally, if not greater, attention? Because if so you would clearly be wrong.

Well until Serena does do that, it's Naomi's world. Naomi is making WTA her domain by dominating the hard court slams and the headlines. Other girls want her status, they better step up and speak up. I'm all for Serena taking a stand. She's been abused plenty.
 

upchuck

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Well until Serena does do that, it's Naomi's world. Naomi is making WTA her domain by dominating the hard court slams and the headlines. Other girls want her status, they better step up and speak up. I'm all for Serena taking a stand. She's been abused plenty.
I think you cheapen what it means to be on top by insisting that the girls all want to grab the headlines, even if it's for negative or controversial reasons. Right now Naomi has put herself in a really tough position, and I can't imagine any of the women of the WTA are watching and thinking to themselves: 'dang, I wish I had some of that attention."
 
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I think you cheapen what it means to be on top by insisting that the girls all want to grab the headlines, even if it's for negative or controversial reasons. Right now Naomi has put herself in a really tough position, and I can't imagine any of the women of the WTA are watching and thinking to themselves: 'dang, I wish I had some of that attention."

Maybe not. But it's a long game. Osaka will get through this and move on to the next slam win and then the next stand.
 
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