Nationals in Alabama.

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  1. J011yroger

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    Or they tank women's matches and play hard in mixed.

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  2. schmke

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    Of course he is! No matches played yet though.
     
  3. Shankadelic

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    If a person gets a "C" rating, filing a grievance isn't going to do one much good because they can respond back with this rule:
    The Grievance must be against a player of the following rating types: This list includes S, M, T, Dynamic Early Start League and Medical type ratings. A player with a valid NTRP Computer (C) rating, a Benchmark (B) rating, or a granted Automatic Appeal of a Computer (C) rating is not subject to a NTRP grievance.

    I have limited USTA league play experience. Has there been cases where a NTRP grievance was filed against a “C” rated player and you won your grievance against that person (i.e. blatant sandbagging)?
     
  4. J_R_B

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    Using tri-level is genius because he can have his 3.5s, 4.0s, and 4.5s all throw matches under the same umbrella.
     
  5. J_R_B

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    I think there was one case on here where a grievance against a C-rated player was upheld, but it was something completely blatant like rating a D1 player as 3.5 or something that wasn't noticed until the second year when the player was then C-rated. It's rare and very difficult. In this case, the grievance should be against the captain for doing this crap out in the open for decades.
     
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  6. Tiafoe

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    When a team full of cheaters wins something big like Sectionals or Nationals, do they celebrate? I don't think I would celebrate if I was a good varsity tennis player and won the freshman conference title. It would be expected.
     
  7. schmke

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    There are situations where a grievance has been successfully filed against a "C", but the ones I'm aware of all had to do with incorrect self-rating that allowed playing in a lower level league to get the "C". I have not heard of a situation where a grievance was upheld against a "C" due to sandbagging. I thought one occurred in Texas a few years ago, or at least it was just an administrative DQ/promotion up a level, but think it was reversed.

    p.s. I wrote about two "C" players being DQ'd on my blog but can't post the links here. Private message me if you want them.
     
  8. schmke

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    Just wrote more detail about it on my blog, but there was drizzle on Sunday in Mobile, no matches played outdoors, they moved indoors to temporary carpet courts (yes, carpet rolled out with seams that were taped) but just two courts so played single sets for all semis/finals and only three of the four levels got the final in, so we have another co-champ.
     
  9. OnTheLine

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    It makes no sense that blatant cheating and blatant management of the rating system should be allowed to occur, and if there is one particular captain known for this, why isn't it looked at?

    Locally there was a captain of a women's 3.5 team that was banned for a year for match score manipulation. She was caught telling a player to tank a match ... 12 month ban. She is now back but not allowed to captain. I do not know the details as to how she was caught.
     
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    I'm convinced that sections let things go so that their teams can do well at nationals.

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    Wrong answer, @downs_chris. The correct answer is:
    I don’t know. My girlfriend played both, and she was the only one I watched on court. ​
     
  12. dsp9753

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    Is it the captain or the players that need to be called out? The captain cant force anyone to sign up higher or lower or make them player worse. The player chooses to sign up for a level and\or play a certain way.

    Also, how would you enforce the rule in an impartial manner that wont cause people to upset by an "arbitrary" judgement by the section? The computer system seems to work well enough for a vast majority of cases.
     
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  14. J011yroger

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    I have no good answer. I really don't even care. I just like playing. It's certainly not on my life goal list to win a 4.5 national paperweight.

    I remember a long time ago you could be visually DQed for being clearly above level. That would certainly have worked at 4.5 nationals when two clearly 5.5 players had to go at it, but some crafty blighter who wrecks the 3.5 field with his old man slice is a lot harder to DQ than a 22 year old serving 130 with a forehand that shines like justice.

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    I have no good answer. I really don't even care. I just like playing. It's certainly not on my life goal list to win a 4.5 national paperweight.

    I remember a long time ago you could be visually DQed for being clearly above level. That would certainly have worked at 4.5 nationals when two clearly 5.5 players had to go at it, but some crafty blighter who wrecks the 3.5 field with his
    His girlfriend was the one telling him that ***** is no way a 4.5, to which the appropriate reply is "who? That ugly girl? I didn't even notice her."

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  16. Startzel

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    Looks like he just really practiced and got better.
     
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    Just the guy I wanted to see! Question. Being tired, winning the first set, and tanking the second to go for the super. Sandbagging or legitimate tactic?

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    Legitimate as long as you're not doing it to make your match rating lower.
     
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    Legitimate as long as you're not doing it to make your match rating lower.
     
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    Looks like he just really practiced and got better.
     
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    Kudos to your section/coordinators for taking action.
     
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    Just took a deeper look, and for 18+ and 40+ Adult and Mixed, of the 22 events held in Alabama/Florida, a full 13 (59%) of them were affected by rain, affected meaning shortened scoring formats and/or canceled matches and/or co-champs declared.
     
  23. Startzel

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    I’ll allow it considering how many singles matches you played.
     
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    I’ll allow it considering how many singles matches you played.

    In a normal week match, sandbagging.
     
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    As a tactical strategy to win a match you would otherwise lose - cheeky but legit. Done to avoid a higher match rating - cheating.
     
  26. GatorTennis

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    Happens a lot. You see a lot of good overweight guys tank 2nd sets if it gets too hot. Sounds funny, but it happens...a lot. I've heard about it at Sectionals where it's someone's second match at singles and they are tired.
     
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    The sad part is that I didn't, I was actually trying.

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    Yeah it’s a sad state of affairs when someone who is above level gets blown out 0,0 at nationals. What a waste of your money and time to go to nationals to play 5.5s.
     
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    It was a great trip. I had a blast.

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    I could have won the first match too and scared up a handful of games in the second if I was a bit more singles match tough and had all my bullets, so it was fine.

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  31. kevrol

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    Really no different than giving up on a ball you might be able to get to but want to save your energy for the next point.
     
  32. downs_chris

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    haha...there was a ladies event there? didn't notice...

    what section were you in again? and did you play any of the texas kids?
     
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    Yea, I played the little worse one and got bagled lol.

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    did you play the kid that won every set in the flight, 6-0? except the one slip up where he only won 6-1...haha

    our singles guy did take him out...but he was a super ringer...haha
     
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    Yea, I tired him out for you.

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    was that your first time at that facility? it was decent....the planes were a little annoying, but i guess you get used to it...

    i liked my $15 a day food voucher...mmm, blueberry muffin smoothie...
     
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    Yea, it was my first time. Somebody spent a ton of money on it but it is a total sham as far as developing players.

    We play at the US Open all the time 300' from LaGuardia airport so it felt just like home.

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    They told me I couldn't buy beer with my voucher so I gave it to a teammate after my cheeseburger tried to fight its way back out the first day.

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    Hahahaha
     
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    Lol at Mobile. How low budget is that? If you want to host nationals, you need to have a weather plan that does not include taping pieces of carpet together. How did the USTA people running the tournament do that with a straight face? Why isn't nationals hosted in a city that can actually play the matches? Can you imagine flying to Alabama from California and wind up having to play on taped up carpet? Embarrassing for Mobile. The costs of putting only a roof (no walls) over clay courts is really minimal and perfectly fine for playing in light rain.
     

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