Natural Gut Wholesale-pro V5+

Jster

Professional
really?
if a natural gut intended to be a VS 1.30mm turns out to be precisely 1.33mm, and it is called back to be refaded in tonic .. you want to pay $ 10 more so that it is actually at 1.30mm? you therefore have a sacred power to "evaluate" such a difference!
if a VS has a slightly rougher appearance, and we put it in the tonic category, without however that it does not play less well, you find that the additional cost is worth it? not me.

I never had this problem with tonic. I quickly realized that the price difference between tonic and Vs was in no way justified !. for me (and for many) it is so tiny, compared to the quality that we can have. that there's no point in taking VS for me. it is as if you could tell the difference of a tension of 150g in your string, or 1.2g of plsu or less in your racket.
Put in this way, one should not even guess the exact gauge of natural gut in the opaque pack. Will it be 1.31 or 1.35 this time? hmmm. Or actually you just like the feel of vs touch, thats all?
On the side note, VS tonic can be a good deal if you do have a digital vernier calipers and You do have a guide for tension for all 5 or 6 different thickness .
That's why i call it frozen NY strip. still better than flank.

$7 more or 19% more and stop guessing... I will take it.(based on TW price per packet)
$15.95 more to give up 200g filet mignon to get 400g of flank? NO.
 

5wood

New User
NGW is the little guy without any budget for marketing. The big boys have the resources ...
I very rarely post here but when I read posts that are so different from my own personal experience, it makes me wonder ...
I used to use only Wilson Natural gut, luxilon gut and Babolat VS. (the most expensive guts)
I've never tried tonic, klip or any of the lower priced guts except for V5. I only string for myself and 3 other really good players.
All 4 of us say the same thing, V5+ is as good or better than the other three big name, top of the line strings. I have no additional facts to offer anyone.
and I do not work for any tennis string company. In my life i just like to stick up for the little guy once in a while and will continue to do so.
V5+ playability is very lively and easy on the arm just as the other top of the line guts are. Most of us are mixing gut with poly and V5+ outlasts the poly (tension maintenance) by alot so its durability is perfect in our book.
V5+ appears to even last longer before showing any signs of shredding than the big name guts. They must have really figured out the coating process with this rendition.
Just want to point out to all readers : Still not one person has anything negative to say about V5+ string. only good comments. Yes I do see negative comments about the NGW company but not v5+ string.
Maybe they should have rebranded this string before coming out with it ? (very common marketing practice)
At what tension are you and the other 3?
Is vplus in mains or crosses?
Thx.
 

MixedMaster

Semi-Pro
When I switched to a gut/poly combo, I went with KLIP and really liked it, still do! Every time NGW would come out with a different version, I'd try it. I didn't care much for their early versions, but when they came out with the V5 I started using it. When they introduced the V5+ I really started to pay attention to them and really liked the V5+.
I agree that the V5+ is long lasting, easy on the arm, and good hitting. I do a little stringing for others and anyone that I've gotten to try the V5+ really likes it. I've been saying positive stuff about it since it came out but for some reason many of the posters on here are very negative toward NGW. Just my two cents worth.
 

mctennis

Legend
When I switched to a gut/poly combo, I went with KLIP and really liked it, still do! Every time NGW would come out with a different version, I'd try it. I didn't care much for their early versions, but when they came out with the V5 I started using it. When they introduced the V5+ I really started to pay attention to them and really liked the V5+.
I agree that the V5+ is long lasting, easy on the arm, and good hitting. I do a little stringing for others and anyone that I've gotten to try the V5+ really likes it. I've been saying positive stuff about it since it came out but for some reason many of the posters on here are very negative toward NGW. Just my two cents worth.
I am anxious to try the V5+ when it becomes available again.
 

Frankc

Professional
When I switched to a gut/poly combo, I went with KLIP and really liked it, still do! Every time NGW would come out with a different version, I'd try it. I didn't care much for their early versions, but when they came out with the V5 I started using it. When they introduced the V5+ I really started to pay attention to them and really liked the V5+.
I agree that the V5+ is long lasting, easy on the arm, and good hitting. I do a little stringing for others and anyone that I've gotten to try the V5+ really likes it. I've been saying positive stuff about it since it came out but for some reason many of the posters on here are very negative toward NGW. Just my two cents worth.
Imo, there are many good reasons why "posters on here are very negative toward NGW..." Yes, I did bite twice, not again...
No big deal, everyone has preferences...
 

5wood

New User
Same experiences here with NGW, but not V5+. V3 and V5 seemed to be exactly the same in terms of durability. The few times I could get either off the stringer without breaking at the apex of a grommet at tension below stated specs but higher than “ideal”, I might get 20 to 35 minutes of hitting before it snapped at a grommet. Did have about 2 go a couple sets, but later broke in my bag at a grommet. All racquets were in the new stage of a year or less so bad grommets not an issue. I string my own racquets and while do not claim to be an expert, I have strung with gut before without breaking issues of unknown origin in a non hitting area. I did find V3 and V5 nice to hit with in the very short time I could hit with it. Just unreliable. And felt like I was scammed with tension range up to 62lbs for V5 on the package and website, but a nebulous ideal range written in sharpie on the packaging and discussed on site. And don’t dare question the product and the claims of published tension or you will receive a barrage of emails that question why you would even think of stinging gut above 52lbs and that only 1% of professionals go higher. And when you point out what’s on the package and website and statistics he uses are made up and even refuted by his own website site you will be threatened to be “crushed on the tennis court, and then taught a thing or two about tennis, and that to be careful because he knows everyone in the business”. Implied threat of violence, followed by a free tennis lesson, sprinkled with slander. That’s NGW. I have the emails to back it up from just last week. Your to blame, not the product. V5+ maybe all that all the other V’s were not. I don’t have experience or know. Now all that being said, the NGW owner did become reasonable when called out for his threatening email. Will I try V5+ in the future when it’s not back ordered, all I can say is maybe. Been burned and threatened recently it won’t be soon. But in time if I see more real positive durability reviews and the price point remains $15 per pack less than big brand gut, maybe I’ll forget that the owner is not somebody I want to support with my money. I agree with others who speculate that at least one of the posters on this forum is actually the owner or works for NHW as I recognize some of the same talking points and exact verbiage in the blame the customer emails I received.
 

mctennis

Legend
Same experiences here with NGW, but not V5+. V3 and V5 seemed to be exactly the same in terms of durability. The few times I could get either off the stringer without breaking at the apex of a grommet at tension below stated specs but higher than “ideal”, I might get 20 to 35 minutes of hitting before it snapped at a grommet. Did have about 2 go a couple sets, but later broke in my bag at a grommet. All racquets were in the new stage of a year or less so bad grommets not an issue. I string my own racquets and while do not claim to be an expert, I have strung with gut before without breaking issues of unknown origin in a non hitting area. I did find V3 and V5 nice to hit with in the very short time I could hit with it. Just unreliable. And felt like I was scammed with tension range up to 62lbs for V5 on the package and website, but a nebulous ideal range written in sharpie on the packaging and discussed on site. And don’t dare question the product and the claims of published tension or you will receive a barrage of emails that question why you would even think of stinging gut above 52lbs and that only 1% of professionals go higher. And when you point out what’s on the package and website and statistics he uses are made up and even refuted by his own website site you will be threatened to be “crushed on the tennis court, and then taught a thing or two about tennis, and that to be careful because he knows everyone in the business”. Implied threat of violence, followed by a free tennis lesson, sprinkled with slander. That’s NGW. I have the emails to back it up from just last week. Your to blame, not the product. V5+ maybe all that all the other V’s were not. I don’t have experience or know. Now all that being said, the NGW owner did become reasonable when called out for his threatening email. Will I try V5+ in the future when it’s not back ordered, all I can say is maybe. Been burned and threatened recently it won’t be soon. But in time if I see more real positive durability reviews and the price point remains $15 per pack less than big brand gut, maybe I’ll forget that the owner is not somebody I want to support with my money. I agree with others who speculate that at least one of the posters on this forum is actually the owner or works for NHW as I recognize some of the same talking points and exact verbiage in the blame the customer emails I received.
Send me those emails from the owner. I would love to see them.
 

FisGeneral

New User
@mctennis
I completely support you point of view. I have personally purchased more then a dozen sets of NGW. My personal experience was similar, early failure rate (Defined as as less than 2 hours play time), was at >50%.

Quality is a crapshoot.

After stringing their gut string, I had to tear down and clean my Star5 machine, it was a crap carnival!

(first time ever post, but this string sucks)
 

5wood

New User
I’ll pass on posting those emails. Saving them for my attorney and police if needed ; Don’t expect to though. He did chill out after I pointed out the legal jeopardy he had created. If you have the time and know what your getting into, you can probably have an entertaining and bizarre exchange of your own. But then again, maybe he’s grown from that experience or is trolling this forum and will be more thoughtful and respectful. Caveat emptor.
 

mctennis

Legend
I was going to try the V5+ but now I may just stay clear of this company and buy the gut strings brand I normally use. I do not like the fact that it may be a crap shoot with >50% failure rate.
 

struggle

Legend
I've still got some V2 or V3, can't remember.

Haven't used it lately as I've gone to full multi instead of a hybrid with this stuff.

I will say i was mostly successful with this string, but that was when i was getting it
for <$10 per set. Had plenty of failures as well, but much less than 50%. Maybe I'm
more careful with it than most, it's not the easiest to string....to be sure.

Anyhow, the high end multi's are every bit as good, all things considered (IMO).

I'd just buy Klip or Pacific (if available?) if wanted more gut at a "better" price than
the high end offerings.
 

mctennis

Legend
I wish I could find some Pacific Tough gut or Pacific Prime gut at a decent price. Those days are long gone. Some of the best gut strings I have used.
 

Jerry Seinfeld

Professional
A customer brought a set of this stuff (V5+) to string. Never heard of it before. Pulled up this thread to get some info.
 
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emn8

Rookie
Save yourself the pain - avoid NGW. The V5+ is not in stock and you get sent the V5 sent though with no explanation or forewarning. You still get charged the V5+ premium (6$) per set.
Have raised a Paypal dispute.
 

emn8

Rookie
Klip is a much better choice for barely more money. I've been down this rabbit hole, it doesn't pay in the grand scheme.
Just wish I had checked on the forum prior to purchasing. I'm not a frequent user/poster on here tbh.

I am willing to accept that mistakes happen, but what I cant fathom is why the owner of NGW is so confrontational in his responses. Even when it's clear that what I got was not what I had ordered. I would suspect he does not get much repeat business.
 

tennisbike

Professional
You being a new user here and praise this string where no one else wants to get burned again , makes me think you work for the company and are attempting to market it here.It would seem to me that the company would have a lot to prove to say it is the best gut string on the market.Thats a big claim to make, after previously false claims.
Maybe some facts that can back up your statement?
I would appreciate anyone who can contribute to the specific topic/item. Although you have shown to have vast string and stringing experience, I am still waiting for you to share your experience with this item.
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
I have used the string and it was nowhere near up to standard related to the name brand gut strings and also did not match the companies exaggerated hype. I just received the last push/e-mail advertising and it was the same exact overhyped message that they used when I bought the string. Why would I buy it now when I bought it when they said it was comparable and was nowhere near the same as name brand string?
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
NGW is garbage. Just buy Klip, at the very least, instead.

You will save money in the long run and have much better string.

I've been down this rabbit hole. When it was $10 per set, it was worth the risk, but that was several years ago.

Pure junk.
As anyone who has tried NGW agrees on it's value I will take the liberty to divert the topic for a second before the NGW sales posters jump back into the thread.

I have a ton of VS, Wilson, and Lux gut. I have never tried Klip. Which Klip do you recommend?

Would it be the Legend uncoated?

I would like to add some to my inventory and am unsure which makes the best main in a hybrid.

Thanks
 

jim e

Legend
Thank you. I might as well give them both a shot. I am not a string breaker and usually choose to restring based on how the racquet is performing for me.
I'm not a string breaker as well. My preference is the uncoated, as it hits like the old gut from the 60's. A soft hit, strung relatively high for decent control. The strung frays early, but plays that way for a very long time. The string hits very well until it breaks.
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
I'm not a string breaker as well. My preference is the uncoated, as it hits like the old gut from the 60's. A soft hit, strung relatively high for decent control. The strung frays early, but plays that way for a very long time. The string hits very well until it breaks.
OK, I will get the uncoated as I like that old gut feel and don't mind a little fraying.

Thank you!
 
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